Marcos Alonso

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  • #1540334

    bloggy
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    So it seems the “politically correct” brigade are once more up in arms defending someone who should be justifiably reviled and treated with utter contempt by all of society for his appalling behavior.

    On this occasion it appears that Spurs fans are accused of drawing attention to the past indiscretions of one Marcos Alonso.

    Apparently holding up a banner exposing his responsibility for the death of a nineteen year old girl, requires immediate intervention by the Club and general condemnation from the football community at large.

    Well let’s have a little look at what the banner said shall we? Firstly it names Alonso, then it shows a clear “no drink driving” symbol…seems perfectly reasonable…and finally it states “murdered a girl.”

    Alonso was originally accused under Spanish law of “Involuntary homicide” That is the standard charge when a drunk driver kills an innocent victim by way of a road traffic accident in Spain…pity we don’t follow suit in this country. The charge was later reduced to drunk driving…two times over the legal limit. Speeding…70 in a 50 limit. And Dangerous driving. Sounds like an absolute diamond doesn’t he?

    One wonders what the parents of the murdered girl…sorry I forgot the charge was reduced…unlawfully killed girl…think of Alonso?

    I imagine they may be a little more circumspect than the p.c. brigade in leaping to his defence.

    #1540360

    Paxman
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    Bloggy – It is the way of football fans, if he was playing for Spurs you would be saying ‘He faced the law’ he had his charges etc, etc. To be fair when I have been in Spain it has seemed that there weren’t any drink driving laws, everyone seemed to be at it.

    #1540362

    nine nine nine
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    A tragic case for both the girls family and Alonso and Alonso’s family.

    Absolutely no good can come from Spurs fans paying for a banner to be produced and taking it up to the Huddersfield game saying “Marcos Alonso he murdered a girl”.

    Tottenham Hotspur FC have rightfully vowed to find those who displayed the banner and take action.I very much doubt it will be seen again.

    #1540396
    banjo_chuckers
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    Hmmm… need to be careful here!

    Completely condemn the Spud-asshats, let’s make that clear, as we all know the pathetic reasons why they’re doing it, but with all due respect to 9, I think it’s only a tragic case for the victims family. Alonso was being stupid/naive and deserves any and all punishment that he has received but he certainly doesn’t deserve sympathy in my humble opinion.

    #1540402

    bloggy
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    Nine;

    Certainly a tragic case for the girl’s family…but a tragic case for Alonso and his family? How so?

    Forgive me if I’m wrong but doesn’t Alonso get to go on with his life pretty much unaltered? Doesn’t he get to enjoy the adoration of football fans regardless? Presumably he will marry and have a family. He will enjoy his fame and fortune. He will fulfill many of his dreams and ambitions. Can the same be said of his victim?

    Presumably, from what you write, you think that’s an acceptable state of affairs?

    No one, as far as I am aware, forced drink down his throat. No one made him get in the car and drive. He alone was responsible for speeding. He alone was responsible for driving in a reckless and dangerous fashion. He alone made all the wrong decisions and his victim paid the price with her life. Had there been any justice in life, he would and should have been the one lying on the cold slab in the mortuary.

    Nothing stated on the banner displayed by Spurs fans on Saturday was untrue, and had Alonso’s guilt not been mitigated by the technicality of the unfortunate victim being a passenger in the car rather than a pedestrian on the sidewalk, he would quite rightly have been charged with “involuntary homicide” That’s murder to you and I.

    Paxo, don’t judge others by your own moral code. Regardless of what you may think, I would have been up in arms had Spurs signed such a reprehensible character.

    #1540407

    nine nine nine
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    bloggy, Alonso was rightly charged and dealt with by the Spanish judiciary Alonso was never charged with Murder nor would he have been charged with Murder had it happened in London and not Madrid.

    Creating and displaying banners calling someone a murderer in what was a tragic accident is both insulting and will definitely create trouble.

    There is no reason for Spurs fans to involve themselves in this other than to cause trouble and rightly Tottenham Hotspur FC recognise that and are doing something about it.

    #1540410

    Paxman
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    Banjo – Not judging others by my own moral code, just making an observation from what I have witnessed on here over the years. Far more moral outrage over biting, elbows, or diving than for drink drivers, drug takers, and there was another English player cause death by drink driving, Lee Hughes.

    I must say I was somewhat perplexed by 9’s statement that it was a tragic event for Alonso also.

    #1540413
    banjo_chuckers
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    And Lee Hughes deserved everything he got and I don’t have one iota of sympathy for him either.

    Personally, I think drink-drivers who end up killing people should be punished considerably more severe than what they are, doesn’t matter who/where/why/what walk of life they are from.

    #1540425

    HK Blue
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    Banjo – 100% agree with that statement.

    999 – sorry I have no sympathy for Alonso here. I would somewhat for his family as sure they’ve been through a fair amount, however they do have the opportunity to move on unlike the victim And her family.

    Was the spurs banner inflammatory and driven by football tribalism, I would guess yes. However, i would not condemn it, if it made even one person at that ground think trice before getting behind the wheel after a few.

    #1540429

    Paxman
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    Banjo – Can’t disagree with you there pal 🙂

    #1540451

    bloggy
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    Nine;

    Are you being deliberately obtuse or are you genuinely not getting it? I’ll explain it to you once more.

    The law in Spain for deaths caused by drunk drivers calls for a charge of “involuntary homicide”. That would be “homicide” as in murder. It doesn’t matter what the law calls for in London, or New York or anywhere else for that matter. Alonso escaped the charge because his lawyers called for mitigation in his case, based on the young girl being a passenger in the car. Effectively they claimed that she bore some culpability by way of allowing herself to be in the position of being killed by Alonso. Incredibly that argument prevailed. Furthermore Alonso avoided taking a second breath test by claiming to be the victim of an anxiety attack, rendering him incapable of breathing properly, when asked to blow.

    Those are the facts. Who do you think is more off the mark here? Those who made the banner or you who are trying to paint Alonso as the victim here. Those who made the banner or you who claims that Alonso and his family have suffered in a comparable manner to the victim…who is dead…or her family who lost a nineteen year old child?

    Perhaps if you tried to view the situation from the victims family’s point of view, you might just gain a little more empathy and understanding than you presently display. One wonders whether you might so easily describe the events of that night as simply a “tragic accident” had it happened to one of your own children, or whether you might be a bit more inclined to ask for the perpetrator to do more than pay a fine?

    Finally Banjo is completely correct in that under current legislation death caused by drink driving should carry with it far more harsh penalty than is presently the case. Perhaps second degree murder with a minimum of ten years inside might be more appropriate. Then Alonso would still be banged up and we wouldn’t be having this discussion.

    #1540454

    nine nine nine
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    Paxman, seriously mate do you think that what happened that night would not stay with someone for the rest of their lives and that they wouldn’t have to live with the tragic consequences of their irresponsibility of that night every day for the rest of their lives.

    But it certainly wasn’t murder, murder requires intent to take a life and there was no intent and Alonso was never charged with Murder and I believe the mitigating circumstances if indeed there were any was the fact that the poor girl wasn’t wearing a seatbelt.

    For Spurs fans to make such banners and to display them at Huddersfield and for some to try and claim it was murder on here is a sad reflection on football fans and sits alongside the “murderers” chants aimed at Liverpool fans, the Munich air crash song aimed at United fans and the hissing aimed at Spurs fans.

    Using the death of a poor young girl for cheap tribalistic points scoring both with the banner and this thread is both foolish and classless.

    My sympathy is fully with the girl and her family but it was a tragic accident in which Alonso’s irresponsibility played the major part and he will have to live with that guilt and his irresponsibility for the rest of his life.

    Alonso has been tried by the Spanish judiciary and the case is now closed there is no positive benefit in starting threads like this or in Spurs fans creating the banner that they did with the only objective to cause problems and or trouble.

    Hk, there is already enough problems between Spurs and Chelsea fans and banners like that and threads like this merely pours oil on already troubled waters.

    As for the banner Spurs as a club are trying to do something about it so credit to them for that and I doubt we will see it again.

    #1540484
    Jay belfast
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    two points here.

    1) yes i agree someone who causes the death of someone else whilst under the influence and or speeding should receive a more severe sentence than tends to get handed out and it is a shameful shameful thibg to do.

    2) spurs fans holding up a banner to score cheap football rivalry points about someones death is totally dispecible

    #1540502
    theMartial Art
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    three points here

    1) It’s factually true – he was drink driving and killed a woman, and got away with it because he’s a footballer. Even if he is a solid defender it shames me to see him let off with just a fine for homicide when us ordinary folk would be put in jail for a couple years.

    2) I’ve always found it bizarre how easy Marcos Alonso was allowed into Britain. Twice the speed limit, heavily drunk and killed someone. America wouldn’t allow him in!

    3) Stupid spuds fan is using someones dead daughter as banter. That is downright stupid, sociopathic. if they really cared about what he did, we would have heard about it last season or when he was at Sunderland and Bolton. Funny how it came out when Alonso single-handedly destroyed them at Wembley five premier league games ago.

    #1540509

    mufc
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    Being a footballer helped, Gerrard was on camera stamping on somebody. He never went to jail.

    #1540538
    AshCFC
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    Bloggy, you are, and always have been, an absolute, stupid pathetic fat c*nt, who should have been banned from these pages long ago.

    Please please please agree to meet me somewhere so I can knock your stupid fat teeth down your pathetic throat. You c*nt.

    Sad and tragic things happen. No one defends Alonso’s actions as a driver. However, it has no place on a banner held up by pathetic Spurs fans who care not about the poor girl who lost her life or her family, but only about three lost points in the Prem.

    #1540548
    AshCFC
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    Just so everyone else here, minus the idiot that is Bloggy, understands the degree of my reply here, let me explain..

    My emotions on this subject are not in defence of Marco Alonso, but for the poor girl who lost her life and her family.

    This issue is outside of football, and has only been used by pathetic Spurs fans in a bid to further footballing rivalries.

    The OP of this thread has done EXACTLY the same, ie disrespect the life and memory of a person tragically struck down in the name of footballing one-upmanship. Why else would this subject be aired on a football forum??

    My contempt for those who seek some kind of twisted satisfaction on the backs of those who have genuinely lost that which is irreplaceable to them is beyond contempt. It is a disgrace.

    #1540551
    banjo_chuckers
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    Spot on Ash! This has no place on a football forum.

    #1540552

    bloggy
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    Haha Ash;

    Rumour has it that you’re considered quite the intellectual…on the Chelsea page…I s’pose everything is relative eh?

    #1540588
    Stuilse
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    Guess two wrongs make a right then Bloggy. No wonder the world is in such a dire state. Your post is inflammatory, unnecessary and wrong.

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