Stoke again threw away a lead to lose 2-1 at Hull on Sunday afternoon - here's what the Potters fans have been saying on the 'Your Say' page.
Stoke fans are far from happy with their side's performance at the KC Stadium - here are just a few of their thoughts taken from our Your Say page. Get yourself registered if you haven't already and join the debate.
kdg: I just can't understand why TP panicked when Faye got sent off. OK, Hull were smelling blood but we could have caught them on the break and possibly won the game in those last 5 minutes, even with 10 men.
Instead of bringing Wilko on to try to save a point, all he needed to do was put Delap back to right back and move Huth into the middle of the back four. I am becoming very disallusioned with this "hang on to what we've got" mentality, when we should be looking to go forward and get more. Whenever we take the lead you can actually see the players drop back into the old regimented two lines of four inviting the opposition on. Its pure suicide when we give away cheap possession.
That was pure Championship quality yesterday and I think we could well be on our way back there unless TP recognises his failings.
Jamo: I have been absolutely furious since yesterday and there are quite a few reasons why after such an abject display.
Danny Collins continues to keep the much more reliable Danny Higginbotham out of the team and Robert Huth is not a right-back - I have been pleased with how he has settled in general, but he is not a right back, and Andy Wilkinson must wonder what he has to do to stay in the team.
Then there's Rory Delap who is a central midfielder and not a right winger; he is wasted there and offers us nothing going forward. The other issue was Dean Whitehead and Glenn Whelan who both had truly awful games; I hope we do not see them as a central two again.
The only bright spot in midfield was our left winger and I have to say I felt very sorry for the excellent Etherington who was fighting a one man battle against Hull's midfielders yesterday.
As for Tuncay, well what can you say? I do feel sorry for him and I suspect he may well hand in a transfer request in during the January window. Personally I think he should be first change for Beattie as he could play in a withdrawn role and link up with Ricardo, but I'm not sure TP sees him in that way and would prefer to "go safe" with Mama once he is back unfortunately.
On the whole we are in a great position, the club is secure and we look like we could establish ourselves for a number of years at this level but we could be doing even better than we are with the players we have available.
Hopefully during the international break, TP will have a good look at what our best XI is and get them out on the pitch in our next game against Pompey.
Stefstoke: For the second week running I feel let down by Tony Pulis. I have been one of his fans but there is simply no excuse for his negative tactics week in week out, and his treatment of arguably out most talented player Tuncay is beyond disgusting.
My heart really went out to the lad - TP has made a massive mistake and I think the only way he can rectify his relationship with Tuncay is to start him against Portsmouth and hope for the best.
FIVE points TP has cost us - those five points could make or break our season really. I've never felt so angry and embarrassed after a Stoke game in my life, something has to happen and quick before we start to slide down the table.
toothe: This month I expected seven to nine points and Tuncay breaking into the squad. So far I've seen us: Throw away a 2-0 lead and draw, throw away a 1-0 lead and lose against possibly the worst team in the league. Oh and Tuncay playing for about 7 minutes. It's not good at all. Matty is playing well but it's time for Faye to be dropped I think. Huth had a shocker as well.
beermania: If you look at the table, there's not much to worry about, but worried is what I am. We got a stunning victory over Tottenham but we were 2-0 up against Wolves and 1-0 against Hull, and yet only got one point.
Are we losing what drives us last year, team and fighting spirit? Why isn't Pulis playing his best cards against the weaker teams? I'm nervous because his decisions ruin the mood on the team and we are entering a minor crisis.
Lakeland Potter: TP got the substitution wrong yesterday. I can understand him wanting to shore up the defence when Faye went off but Tuncay had fresh legs and both Whelan and Delap had poor games and looked knackered - I'd have taken one of them off for Wilko and moved Tuncay to the right wing where his presence would have given Hull something to think about - at the very least they'd have had to spare a man to mark him. Now for the positives - yes, I may be clutching at straws! Hopefully Faye's suspension will see Huth and Ryan in partnership at cb against Portsmouth. Huth has had a torrid time at right back and deserves the chance to shine in his proper position at the heart of the defence.
gazhughes: We are 9th in the Premier League which is fantastic, we have to realise where we are at the minute but there are a few things that I'm a little worried about.
Is there any problems with TP and Reidy, maybe a few disagreements at half time? Who is giving the half-time team talks because against Wolves & Hull we have been atrocious second half. Just a thought and I hope I'm wrong, but at least we have a two-week break to work things out.
southcheshirestokie: I went the match and wish I hadn't bothered. That was a very disappointing performance with too many players under-performing, and TP is showing a lack of experience with his team selection and tactics.
Delap and Whitehead should not be in the team and two weeks running we have taken of Beattie and Fuller....and look at the consequences. Why did he take Tuncay off instead of either Delap or Whitehead?
Lawrence should be on the right-wing as Delap is useless as a winger. We could have really stretched them with Matty and Liam on the wings, with Tuncay and Whelan in midfield.
TP, you need to start playing your best players and not your favourites all the time. Also Kitson was very poor and looked dis-interested so once Fuller and Beattie went off, we never looked like scoring. We got what we deserved - nothing!!! Wake up TP before its too late.


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Your Comments
elephant
"Typical Stukies.
Stukies Stukies what's the score?
Deluded as always.
Beaten by the better team, end of chat.
Small town in Port Vale."
cheeko x (Stoke City fan)
"tp is doing himself no favours is he.we had wolves and hull ( both of whom we are far better than ) on the racks in the first half and then we go into our shell and lose 5 points in the process.delap has to get dropped and lawro has to be reinstated on the right wing.either lawro is suffering an injury or tp has it in for him as the last time he started in the league was before he played for ireland against italy and in that game he got motm.so how can tp then proceed to drop him.its mind bending.huth had a mare and faye wasnt much better.that said ,barmby set him up and he was unlucky to be sent off.thank god for ringtone.he has been the only shining light in the last few weeks and there are a few players for stoke ,fuller being one who just doesnt seem to be giving his all and against hull he just seemed to wander around uninterested .tp and the boys need to get their act together very quickly and get back to basics ,otherwise it will become a worry."
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