Giggs set to leave Old Trafford in ‘coming days’ – report

Date published: Monday 20th June 2016 7:53

Ryan Giggs: Coach in frame to replace Louis van Gaal at United

Ryan Giggs: Time at United set to come to an end

Manchester United are bracing themselves for an announcement from Ryan Giggs this week, with the Red Devils legend set to walk away.

According to the Daily Mirror, the 42-year-old has decided not to accept an lesser role after being Louis van Gaal’s assistant manager and has told close friends that he is ready to move on in order to further his career.

Giggs has emerged as the new favourite for the Nottingham Forest job, but he has apparently not ruled out taking a break from the game altogether to assess his options.

Mourinho is set to bring in his own backroom staff, and was only willing for Giggs to predominantly work for the U21 squad next season and beyond.

The report also mentions that some of Giggs’ former United team-mates have also advised him to pursue his own managerial career.

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    Mark Scott
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    Manchester United are bracing themselves for an announcement from Ryan Giggs this week, with the Red Devils legend set to walk away.

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    #1070538

    jm1502
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    Good!

    #1070607

    happyhurling
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    Nice bit of loyalty there jm1502! Happy that our most successful ever player is leaving the club. The only person left at the club who knows what it takes to win year after year. Yeah let’s get rid of him. Good riddance!

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    simonas2702
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    I’m not and was never a huge Giggs fan, I didnt want him to be manager at the expense of JM or any other more experienced manager but I would like him to still be associated with the club in some way shape or form. Maybe when he has proved himself as a manager he could come back but for me he doesn’t look like the kind of person who could inspire a team with his body language or demeanour

    #1070976

    homerjay540
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    I have a lot of respect for what Giggs did for United during his playing career. He will be remembered by many as a legend. However, that doesn’t give him the right to expect to be manager. If he wanted to stay at United he could have taken the U21’s job. However, he wanted no.1 job and in order to be given such responsibility he needs to first go and prove (and develop) himself elsewhere first.

    #1071021

    jm1502
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    Well he may be our most successful player ever in terms of appearances and things won, but not in my top 10 United players happy. Add to that, he’s done nothing to suggest he would make even a decent manager, there are rumours he was two faced with both Moyes and Van Gaal (he certainly was with his brother), he appears to expect the top job in football to be just handed to him on a plate, and last but not least, from what I’ve heard and know about him, I don’t like the bloke. He’s also got the personality of a broken biscuit. And I certainly don’t owe him any loyalty mate, why would I?

    #1071075
    Manthistle
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    The fairy tale was for Giggs to learn off Fergie, then Moyes and then LvG and take up the reigns and lead Utd into the next great era of trophies. Alas that’s not to be.

    #1071282

    happyhurling
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    jm1502 – Everything you’ve said there is just speculation mate. How can he not be in your top 10 United players? Anyway, football I all about opinions I guess. My opinion is that it would be nice for our football club to continue to be run the right way, to not go down the Chelsea and City roads. To promote from within. To not just go after the best foreign talents in the world but, actually, to have a British spine to our team. Sure, let’s just get LVG in and then Mourinho for a few years then when he goes give it to Pochettino or whoever the flavor of the month is then. What do these people actually know about Manchester United? For me it just would have been absolutely amazing to see the kid from 1990, who has been synonymous with out amazing success ever since, get promoted having learnt from the best manager of all time. To stand there in the dug out with that amazing history behind him, bringing in some former players to help him continue the success of the club at all levels. Ah it would have been an amazing fairytale and one that no club, certainly domestically, could have matched. But no, ship him off to Nottingham Forest and get Maurinho in with that fella who taunts opposition managers whenever they score a goal. Classy.

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    MacGuffin
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    @happy – I agree about British spine and promoting from within. I don’t want a manager merry go round. Let’s develop managers like we should for players.

    That said, of all the ex-players and staff who are interested in management Giggs is in my opinion towards the bottom of the list. I’d rather a Hughes, Bruce, Ole, Neville, Keane, Cantona. The list of more suitable candidates is long indeed.

    I can’t see Giggs going to a lower league club. I honestly don’t think he is interested in management. I think he just wants to stay at the club and is leaving in a huff because he thought he was promised the job. I see taking a break to sulk then being a pundit or ambassador.

    PS- May have been a fairy tale but you should be old enough to know fairy tales are fantasy.

    #1071588

    jm1502
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    Agree with Mac about a long list of ex United players that are way out in front of Giggs in terms of being potential United managers. Giggs has only ever been on the frame because he’s Fergie’s ‘boy’. And happy, I don’t go with the fairytale bollocks mate. It’s football, it’s a game, it’s about winning, and for me it’s been about following United since I was a kid. But I don’t go along with all this bullshit about the club’s youth policy and promoting from within and this family club stuff. You’re a romantic mate and good luck to you and you’re right, it’s all about opinions – not going to fall out over it.

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    jm1502
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    And happy, continue to be run the right way? Our football club’s been run amateurishly for a long time now – absolutely not the right way mate.

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    Stuntman_Matt
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    Good bit of posting happy. Completely agree that we should be promoting from within regarding youth players as well as staff. Barcelona are the perfect example of how well that works. Maybe its a case of not being in the right place at the right time for someone like Giggs to take the main job at the moment though. Not his fault but Ed, Moyes and LVG have made such a cock up of the club since SAF left that we probably need someone like JM to take over and get us with not just our heads above the water, but flying high towards the clouds again where we should be. Hopefully JM’s reign doesnt last too long and Giggs can prove himself somewhere else and then come back. I would be equally happy to see a Bruce or Hughes given a go as long as we are in a good position to do so.

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    killyboye
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    Everyone talks about how Pep managed the Barca youth teams and was then promoted to the top job in Barca. You have to remember that in Spain reserve teams can play in any division apart from the same league as their parent club, so Barca B can play in the equivalent of the Championship but if they win or are in the promotion places they can’t go up to the Primera Division. So Pep would have managed at Championship level before getting the Barca job. Something that Giggs would not get to do with the U21’s at Utd.
    Whatever your opinion of him, and club legend or no, if he is serious about managing Utd he has to prove himself elsewhere first and he currently can’t do that at Old Trafford as the U21 level isn’t close to Championship level.
    If he truly wants the job, he’s got to go and prove himself, simple as! And if he doesn’t then he’s gone anyway and is done wasting the clubs time.

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    happyhurling
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    Mac & jm1502 – Fair points I guess. Not sure I really see how Neville or Ole are ahead of Giggs in the list of ex players who could take over though. That seems to be more down to you simply liking them more than Giggs because they don’t really have any more experience/suitability for the job. I’m certainly not convinced there’d be any romance in Steve Bruce taking over as Manager! Ha ha.
    Stuntman – Yeah I agree and by the way i’m happy that Mourinho has been appointed as I think he will bring instant success to the club. He’ll get that swagger back, make OT a fortress again and hopefully instill that fear factor into opposing teams when they arrive. I just hope it’s not a 3 year thing where he takes 2 years to fully embrace the role and then we’re looking for a new manager and back to square one again. I think we need a plan in place that enables us to succeed regardless of who the manager is. As Mac said above, why don’t we have a similar plan in place for Managers as we do with players? Moyes got rid of all the backroom staff, LVG got rid of all the players, now Mourinho has to come in and start from scratch as well. It shouldn’t be like that. Cheers.

    #1072365

    jm1502
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    I was thinking more Bruce, Hughes and Keane personally. Don’t get me wrong, for one reason or another, and I’ve always been a massive fan of Keano, I wouldn’t appoint any of them, but their credentials are far stronger than those of Giggs – in my opinion.

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    MacGuffin
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    @happy – Neville has experience as team captain (leadership), coaching England and Valencia, Note, failures can be a learning experience. Ole has his Swansea and Brondby experience. Other than the brief caretaker role Giggs has never been responsible for a team. He wasn’t even United captain. Does he have his coaching badge yet ?

    There may not be any romance in Bruce being manager but that’s the question. What’s more important capability or romance, You seem to lean towards the fantasy of romance whereas others go for the reality of capability.

    The club should have management training schemes and routes to the top just like a corporation. The club could even have deals with lower clubs where management trainees are loaned for a season or two.

    btw – much is made of Moyes getting rid of the backroom staff but doesn’t every manager bring his own people. Didn;t SAF, LvG and JM. Club guidelines should make it clear what positions are appointed by the manager and which by the club. The backroom staff should have combinattion of club staff and manager’s team who go when he goes.

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    happyhurling
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    Mac – Not sure that Neville qualifies more than Giggs because he was club Captain. Ole wasn’t club captain and I don’t think his experience at Swansea has done his career any favours at all. Was it Swansea? Thought it was Cardiff, anyway doesn’t matter. Point is what is Giggs expected to do if he takes over, say, Nottingham Forest? Get them promoted, win the FA Cup and get them to the Europa league final then he’s deemed good enough? Outside of the current top 4 teams in the UK i’m not sure Giggs could go anywhere and really prove he’s good enough for the United job, know what I mean? His ability as a manager would be judged against the criteria set by that particular club. If it was Forest it would be to get into the Play-Off places. If he did achieve that would he then be deemed good enough for United because he’s met the criteria set by Forest? When you look at Steve Bruce he just seems to have gone from crap club to crap club (no offence to anyone!). Sometimes he gets his teams playing quite well and sometimes they’re bloody awful. But he just keeps going between the Sunderlands, Hulls and Wigans of this world never really making much of a mark or being that much of a success. Does that mean he wouldn’t be good enough for the United job or is it still the case that we don’t really know because the United job would be completely different than the Hull job. Much better players, more history, much more financial clout, a completely different set of targets. I’m really not sure it’s the same at all. The more I think of it the more I think that even by shipping Giggs off to Forest we wouldn’t know whether he was good enough for the United job based on his performance there.

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    MacGuffin
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    @happy – Being club captain is just something on the CV. Captains normally have leadership quualities. Thats not true of all captains (Rooney for example) but is certainly true of Neville. Regarding Ole (yes it was Cardiff – those bloody foreign names confuse me) and other young managers. We must expect them to make mistakes and hopefully learn from them. That a young manager’s reign did not go successfully does not necessarily mean he will not make it. It is hoped he learns from the experience and becomes a better manager. Don’t you always argue that young players will improve and learn from their mistakes. Don’t forget Ole experience at Molde where he led them to the league title in his first season. In Giggs case, he has never managed a side.

    I don’t expect younger managers to achieve success in their first jobs. I could argue its better they get their mistakes out of the way and learn from them (see above). The point is that the young manager gains experience. As it stands comparing Giggs to Ole or Neville is like comparing the young player who played in the first team and was substituted with the player who sat on the bench and never played.

    Remember I am the man who argued against the importance of pedigree and having won titles. I agree with you that a manager cannot be expect to have achieved when he manages struggling teams. And especially if not given time. My preference for manager is a person who has the right character attributes. I don’t see Giggs as a leader or able motivate players. I dont see him as the tactician. Great players dont necessarily make great managers. In fact if anything it seems the opposite. It would not surprise me if somebody like Phillip Neville turned out to be a Clough.

    The bottom line is that the person has to be number 1 at some level be it a small club or small team at a big club. All Giggs has on his CV is being assistant. He’s never made a managerial decision.

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    killyboye
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    @macguffin, I’d have to agree with you. I don’t see Giggs as an able manager. I don’t see the necessary attributes in him in any way.
    Phil Neville is an interesting mention, until you said it I would never have thought of him but I think he might just be a great manager. Although never a massive success at Utd, he was vitally important to Everton and dragged the team along with him at times. Not only does he know how to win, when at Utd, he knows how to instill steel when a player at Everton, he dragged many players up a level or two.
    Also, he’s gone about things in the right way, worked as an assistant in various places, taking his time, learning in the right way. Definitely one for the future I think…

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    theMartial Art
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    I hope Ryan doesn’t feel a sense of entitlement here. He has been a magnificent servant to Manchester United and thoroughly deserves the ‘Legend’ status he enjoys. And, whether rightly or wrongly after an extraordinarily successful career, for over twenty years with United as a player he probably feels he could do it as manager too. However, it is clear that the current United hierarchy do not feel he is ready to manage the club. This the right time to part ways, on amicable terms, and to start to build a new reputation as a competent and successful coach elsewhere. If he proves he is capable of this then I have no doubt he will be welcomed back into the manager’s job at United at some point in the future. It may be 3, 5 or even ten years from now but he can then come back on his terms having proven himself elsewhere.

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