Wayne Rooney

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    happyhurling
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    What an absolutely incredible player! Soon to be United’s all-time leading goal scorer, you just cannot argue with Wayne Rooney’s career and why would you? Leave that to rival fans who have been looking on with envy ever since we signed him from Everton all those years ago. He will break Sir Bobby’s record in something like 200 games less than it took the great man to score his goals. Yet he is derided on here year after year. Even though, time and time again he has come back to answer his critics with a fantastic run of form coupled with some amazing goals and assists. We’ve all seen his dips in form and can see he is not the same player he once was but i’ve never understand the abuse he gets. For me he will go down as perhaps our greatest ever player, certainly in the modern era. Now he is redefining himself as Giggs and Scholes did before him and i can see our captain playing on for a few more years yet! Cheers.

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    killyboye
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    The difference between Rooney and Giggs and Scholes is that Giggs and Scholes were fairly consistent all the way through their careers. Rooney has had a tendency to go through worrying dips in form, and even more worrying is that some of them were prolonged. I don’t deny he is a great player, and has been a magnificent performer for us over the years but I don’t think he can go down as our greatest ever player, goalscorer maybe but not player. I don’t think he will have the longevity of Giggs and Scholes either, physiologically he is built differently and will find it a lot harder than Giggs and Scholes did to keep going when he reaches the mid/late thirties.

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    hatters
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    @HH. Agreed mate. Rooney’s career cannot be denied. If he retired today he would do so as one of Manchester United’s all time greats.

    The criticism from us as fans is only to be expected because he carries great responsibility in our team – responsibilities he abjectly failed to deliver on in 2015. For now, Rooney must perform like this because that is what we require of him, when he falls short of those standards he will be criticized but when he meets them we are all delighted. Clearly Wayne’s talent is still palpable but why does he go through these dips? Why does he appear not to show the same professionalism and consistency that other similarly talented players do?

    When Rooney retires we will take the time to appreciate what he has done for club properly but until then I don’t think you can expect plaudits from anyone when he enters those woeful runs where he can’t even control a ball.

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    UnitedMatas
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    @killboye – I agree that Scholes and Giggs never had serious dips in form, but they also never went on huge scoring sprees where they banged in goals and created others for teammates in droves. The were consistently good- but Rooney has patches where he is better than good to go along with those patches where he is worse.

    @hatters – the one problem I have with fans in general is that they passionately insult, mock and criticize a player (such as Rooney and Carrick) when off form- calling them fat and donkeys and slow etc. But when they do well- there is no praise. The fans just mop up the spoils of victory without acknowledging the players behind it. I challenge you to find more than three comments on this form over the last month praising Roooney. (with the exception of us “bed-wetters”, such as HH and myself, another delightful insult.)

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    Blacky
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    @Happy – Rooney has had a good few games recently granted and long may it continue,but unfortunately the season started in August not January and you can’t just airbrush away like you always do just how bad he was during that period of the season like it was all just a myth.If Rooney had turned up a bit more often when we desperately needed him back then and not looked like he actually had his boots on the wrong feet I’m pretty sure we wouldn’t have been knocked out of a weak ECL group and be struggling to even make top four this season as we are now,simple as that.
    As for being “our greatest ever player”,do me a chuffin’ favour pal!.

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    Well said Sprog37. Carrick will do well for numerous games, as soon as he has 1 bad games out of the 10 he has played, they will be telling us how poor he is and he needs to go. It is like Gerrrad, Lampard, Scholes, Zidane, Figo were all perfectionist and every game they played in within their career were 9s/10s. Before anyone starts, I am not comparing Carrick to any of those players.

    At least Manthistle acknowledged when Carrick has had a poor game, most cannot acknowledge when Carrick has played well.

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    killyboye
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    @sprog37 – I never said that Giggs and Scholes went on scoring sprees, that wasn’t their role. I just said they were consistent. Rooney is a striker and is judged on goals but there is always a series of games each season where he doesn’t deliver despite the amount of goals he has scored.
    He has been incredible for us, but from the point of view of consistency he doesn’t come close to Giggs or Scholes

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    hatters
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    @sprog. “Bed wetters” hahahahaha.

    Rooney’s form is brilliant, as is Martial’s. We know it and it’s great.

    Like I said though, Rooney is held to very high standards and although he has been mercurial in 2016 – he was a donkey in 2015. You will also notice quite a correlation between Rooney’s form and Manchester United’s form which means he is always at the frontline for plaudits and criticism alike.

    I have said in many occasions that Rooney is my about United player from Fergie’s last team – my favouritism doesn’t change the fact that his 2015 was rotten, he was really that bad.

    This is the Wayne Rooney know and love. Long may it continue.

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    Ackb050
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    If the season ended today how many would say rooney or carrick have had a good season. Granted they both stepped up yesterday but they are two of the most senior players in the squad. The team been begging for them two stepped out as a result we are not in the top four. They are both great players but have been very poor this season overall. Rooney greatest ever player that is a bold statement to make when he breaks the record he will be up there no doubt top 10 no doubt but so many greats has played for this club.

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    MacGuffin
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    As always you miss the point. Nobody denies Rooney contribution over the years. And few deny his dips in form and waning performance in recent years. Even you concede “his dips in form and can see he is not the same player he once was”.

    The question has always been. Should he be (1) lone striker (2) first choice striker (3) shipped out. As usual you avoid having to face awkward questions by simply saying “playing on for a few more years yet|” Playing on as what? Sole striker, first choice, backup striker.

    Would you buy a top striker in the summer or would you do like lvg did and say no need for a striker when we have Rooney.

    #840191

    yorkshireman200
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    Spot on Mac, we need to move on from Rooney. If he is the main striker next season we will not improve. His first touch even when playing well is not much better than a pub player. He’s not up this level anymore as a striker and is not good enough to be a no. 10. He’s had a great career at United and lets hope he continues scoring for the rest of the season but if this club has any ambition left, he should be gone next season.

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    happyhurling – You always have to go and spoil a good post by saving the worst for last.The greatest ever United player ? What a really bombastic claim to make.

    On the rest I agree with your thoughts regarding Wayne,although the constructive criticism by some levelled at him was because he had fallen down from his quality standard,although there were others who started to hate him simply because he wanted? a transfer once upon a time.So one must never generalise. And I never saw you argue to the contrary with Lloyd for example when he spouted his ‘hate’ at Rooney and started the ‘donkey’ business.

    As wise men remarked,whatever was and is, we need to move on from Wayne and evolve or remain stranded.

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    Points per game (Win percentage) based upon at least 10 starts:

    Carrick – 2.00 (63%)
    Rooney – 2.00 (57%)
    Schneiderlin – 1.95 (52%)
    Mata – 1.90 (57%)
    Smalling – 1.73 (51%)
    Blind – 1.79 (52%)
    Actual – 1.78 (50%)
    Darmian – 1.76 (48%)
    De Gea – 1.72 (48%)
    Herrera – 1.71 (47%)
    Schweinsteiger 1.67 (43%)
    Lingard – 1.64 (43%)
    Young – 1.62 (46%)
    Memphis – 1.58 (47%)
    Martial – 1.58 (42%)
    Fellaini – 1.50 (43%)

    Those pesky old timers being our top two performers eh! If those two are having bad seasons what does that say about the rest of the team?

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    MacGuffin
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    Manthistle – Yep the stats say it all. DDG is rubbish with only 48% and as for Martial, he’s second from bottom so that proves he is only marginally better than Fellaini.

    Is Carrick your brother? Why do you persist in singing his praise. He’s not going to be here much longer given his contract expires this summer AND history will tell how fans remember him.

    #840464

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    MacGuffin – The stats are a tad unfair on De Gea as he plays every game. He’s only slightly below the actual because he didn’t play the first set of matches which we did alright in points wise.

    Martial though is a puzzler. Apart from his first few games where he was raring to go and full of enthusiasm and the last few games where hes had an end product hes been frustrating. But he kept going and didn’t let his barren run phase him. He also wasn’t under the same scrutiny as Rooney so wasn’t criticised as much.

    Its no surprise to see Fellaini rock bottom though which we all knew anyway and Memphis right down there too with Lingard and a played out of position Young.

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    simonas2702
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    I agree with the OP. Fans on this forum particularly are too harsh and forgetful when it comes to Rooney.
    There was a time where I always felt he was our most important player including Ronaldo. He made us tick with his passion energy and actual quality as a player.
    Without doubt a United legend. People go on about Giggs yet me at 40 remember him as a player who albeit amazing when he first burst on to the scene wasn’t always fantastic for us. There was a time when Italian clubs came sniffing and I back then would have been happy to see him go . He just always seemed to be there for us and didn’t court controversy and perhaps a more likeable clean cut figure than Rooney but a better player? I wouldn’t agree.
    I for one will be glad to see him break the record, I’m glad he is scoring again and playing well and I am glad he is our captain.

    #840800

    Scholsey
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    Guys how many games has Rooney played well in this season? Is it over double figures?

    Secondly agreed he is currently on a good run of former but this must continue for the rest of the season.

    Manthistle judging by stats De Gea shouldn’t be in goal as we were doing a lot better with him in the stands. So the stats do not allows paint a true picture.

    Finally Rooney is doing well at this moment because of Martial. I mentioned it before and will again, as we now have somebody causing a menace on the wings thus has created space in the centre and give Rooney the chance to exploit it.

    #840827

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    Rooney is on a good goal scoring form. I was sceptical when I was criticising him as I also said maybe it is the style of play that is hindering him. Rooney since United have been playing with a bit more freedom has been scoring. Why should the club move him on?

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    hatters
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    @Scholesy. Everything you have said is on the button. Rooney must continue his form as he is currently our most senior proven striker – I hope it continues for as long as possible but in the end we need to look for a readymade replacement to phase him out with in the summer.

    Rooney has shown he is unreliable formwise. We cannot let our results hinge on him. I say he must be phased in and out over time like Francesco Totti at Roma. I believe that the club would never consider selling him so we will have to cater for him and his wages accordingly.

    You are correct in saying that Martial’s pace and his direct running is absolutely pivotal to not only Rooney’s form but the entire team. He is the best, most direct dribbler we have had since Ronaldo and I can already see his decision making improving. Martial will be an absolute snip, even when we have paid the full amount of 60 odd million (when he has 25 caps for France and gets a Ballon d’Or final 50 nomination). Notice I say “when” – Martial is definitely the best attacking player in his age range worldwide.

    The width is a great point. Next season I want us to have Depay on the left, and a real, proper dribbling right winger in the place of Lingard. We then play Martial at striker and Rooney must displace one of Martial or Mata (assuming Mata plays as the no 10).

    #840899

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    Let’s be clear, whether Rooney is an “absolutely incredible” player is debatable. In fact, of late, he definitely isn’t. Has he been? Personally, I always rated him as a top player. But, like all good things, it’s starting to come to an end. Yes, he’s been a lot better of late, but then he was bloody awful for most of the season up until a few games ago, so better than bloody awful. It’s still patently obvious to me that his touch isn’t what it was, what pace he had has almost completely gone, his long pass seems to have deserted him and he no longer has the ability to chase down defenders ike he used to – in short, he’s just no longer one of the world’s top players and hasn’t been for a few years. Trouble is, the clowns on MUTV and the rest of the so called experts in the media continue to make excuses for good old Wayne. Let’s just celebrate that he’s been a top player, still occasionally stands out in a very mediocre team but is definitely on a very steep downward slope never to return up the hill.

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