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    redblood
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    Even getting 8 points is not the end of the world since we will be playing 3 of those games away.Just as long as we come through them unbeaten.
    ps-happy-Hazard is not even in the same galaxy as CR7 and Messi pal.Bale,Neymar,Dybala,are all better than him.

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    Redblood – Agree mate. Martial is in the same bracket though!! ;o)

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    redblood
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    We can beat anyone,we can lose games we expected to draw,we can draw games we expect to win!.With us anything is possible,I guess is just football!

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    Well I said I was hoping for 8 points from these four games but wasn’t banking on it. If we win at Chelsea, we’ll have amassed 7, lose and it’ll be 4, and that in what some on here regarded as a defining run of games. Not exactly title challenging form eh?

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    @jm1502:

    “Not exactly title challenging form eh?”

    I agree. And again, if you just gloss over the numbers, you could make it out so that things are sort of fine. We got a point at Anfield, we beat Spurs, so, in essence, the only result screwing us over is the least likely one: A defeat to Huddersfield. Something that could easily be written off as an anomaly.

    However, even if we had scraped a 0-1 victory in that fixture, and thus were at 7 points for the last three matches, I’d stand by the issues I brought up in the Lack of Danger thread. Look beyond some of the numbers, and this team isn’t convincing. As you say, they’re simply not playing like champions.

    Stamford Bridge will be another stern test of where we really are as a team.

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    Yep, it’s a hollow dig I’m afraid JM. The Huddersfield result was an anomaly and what people were really concerned about was Anfield, Spurs and The bridge. So far we’ve negotiated those games very well.

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    Ha ha, fuck me, you were probably predicting 12 points from those 4 games weren’t you happy? An anomaly, Jesus, you’ve an excuse for everything mate. Anyway, still time to make it 7 points from 12 this afternoon.

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    But it`s only 4 so far @jm1502 mate,and I would not bank on it being 7!.In fact I would be happy it if becomes 5 somehow.

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    I wouldn’t bank on it being 7 either mate, but there’s still a chance.

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    redblood
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    Hope you`re right mate,but we lost to Huddersfield.

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    redblood
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    And 4 out of 4 it is then.

    #1554068

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    Right much needed energy (dinner) acquired after that debacle!

    “Answers”required indeed f ing hell the dinosaur LVG even managed to go to Liverpool city arsenal and beat the cunts!

    Our disastrous performances to the top six are equally down to the manager and the players alike make no mistake! The disjointed Kak of shit on offer is simply not good enough.

    The minimum requirement from the players is motivation desire hunger and from the manager organization and selecting the right personnel we had neither!

    Constantly picking mikhi and expecting a different result he was better last year and you kept dropping him! So why are you letting him get away now? Abysmal in every facet. Time for reflection for all before the fat waiter turns up with his team.

    To see the fake rug head conte celebrating and refusing to shake hands left a bitter taste indeed!

    pogba you Twat wherever you are get a f ing move on and help the team out!!!! We are f ing suffering big time.

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    Time to evaluate: These last four games was very much a time for the team to stand and be counted. We didn’t deliver. 4 points in four games. Dismiss the Huddersfield game as an anomaly all you like, but for me these last four games speak a clear language about the state of our team:

    We are not where we are supposed to be. It seems quite clear that especially City and to a certain extent Chelsea are simply in a stronger position than we are. And that’s not mentioning running into stronger teams in the CL.

    It’s been tough being without Pogba. But if we’re that vulnerable and dependant on him, that too speaks volumes about our current state: We can very easily become unconvincing, and for me, it’s an indicator of the plethora of underperforming deadwood currently residing in our ranks.

    Both JM transfer windows have added quality in my book. But we’re at least two similar transfer windows short of where we should be, and those two transfer windows should at the same time let us say farewell to Young, Smalling, Blind, Mata, Miki, Shaw (perhaps), Jones, Valencia, Herrera, Darmian, Lingaard, Carrick, Fellaini and Darmian. It’s a massive, perhaps too massive, overhaul, but I see none in that list who has the quality to help us reaching the United Standard.

    I’m still unsure what I think is the right solution, but considering how tall an order such an exodus would be in terms of finances and team cohesion, the “bank on young players and aim for top 4 not top 1 for the next 3-4 years”-approach proposed by @macguffin become increasingly appealing.

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    Let’s be real here what team has a shit rb and lb. City had better rb already than us and this season they upgraded. We have players that are poor and still on the pitch then we have the martial and Rashford conundrum. We are long way from top 1.

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    MacGuffin
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    Needless to say I agree 100% with your post. Consider Bakayoko & Matic. We signed a 29 year old for 40m and Chelsea used the money to sign 23 year old Bakayoko. Matic will decline and probably end up like a Carrick holding his place till he’s 34-36. Given transfer funds are probably limited, by the time we sign the other players we need Matic will need replacing. Had we had Bakayoko instead, he would be in his prime and at his peak as the final pieces of the jigsaw arrived.

    There’s no guarantee a player will make the grade so we have to clear out those who don’t look like making it after a couple of years so as to recoup the money and replace with somebody who may make it. The Depay signing and exit being a good example.

    Problem is, once we sign players and if they don’t perform as hoped, we keep them in the army of second stringers for 8 years or more. It ends up with half the team fielded being second stringers. Darmian, Rojo, Blind, Fellaini, Shaw etc. will no doubt end up spending 8 years at the club before they are moved on.

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    Ackb050 – You’ve changed your tune pretty quick matey!.After the Huddersfield debacle you posted the following:

    “Typical one defeat and fans here want the whole squad sold disgusting. I will always welcome one or two addition and getting rid of few players but fans here think they playing fifa. My advice to those fans go support man city.”

    Now it seems you more or less agree with those of us that have been saying all season that we have got far too many shit players at the club to mount any sort of a serious challenge for top honours!.That didn’t take long mate!.

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    @nil – Completely agree with your list of deadwood mate,some of us would even suggest that Rojo and Lindelof will be potentially added to it before too long!.
    It’s going to take at least 2 more years to clear all that shite out mate so being realistic I don’t expect any dramatic improvement arriving any time soon,simple as that.

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    redblood
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    I agree too @blacky mate,but fuck I did not realise we had 2 Darmians playing for us.One is bad enough.

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    @macguffin:

    The Depay example is noteworthy. If that strategy is to work properly, it requires a much more cynical approach like the Depay situation appear to have been. If a young, signed player doesn’t perform inside the first 1-3 seasons, move it along, recoup money and look elsewhere. There’s a risk of unstability, granted, but I’d take that risk all year long rather than the risk of ending up with squad filled to the brim with 28-year old, underperforming players on inflated salaries.

    @blacky and @redblood:

    Rojo is a mistake. He should have been on that list. It’s just that Darmian’s so bad that I opted to mention him twice in stead. 😉

    @blacky:

    Regarding Lindelöf: Massively underwhelming start. I’d say take count at the end of the season: How many starts has he made, how many substitutions has he made and how has he performed in those instances. My guess, like yours, is that the conclusion on such an evaluation would be to move him along. At least, it would be if we displayed proper cynicism.

    There’s still time, of course, in that he’s a completely new signing and he deserves a proper chance to show what he’s got. But the initial gut feeling is way off. I hope he proves everyone wrong.

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    nil -I firmly believe that the ‘solution’ rest on the criteria of the proverbial ‘money train’ availability.

    As correctly pointed out by the Mac among-st others, while others were adding some class players to their not so bad squads,United continued in the ‘dictated’ philosophy of ‘counting pennies’ when taking transfer decision.

    The best example perhaps is when United bought Jones, city got Aguero, this going back to Sir Alex time.Another prime and more recent equivalent was the chelsea coup of getting Kante,Baka and Drinkwater to fill the midfield gap? from the sale of Matic. There are multiple such other instances.

    I can never understand how plain and simple ability wise instances are repeatedly forfeited time and time again, if not for the particular fact that the cost of getting the best would be superior to United’s plan Bs,Cs and whatever,albeit some individual ‘s personal preferences.

    This supreme conviction comes from the fact that United’s owners are pedigree proven of ‘milking’ for whatever the club’s worth and have no godforsaken interest whatsoever of going the proverbial extra mile to be in a practical position of at least matching the top guns on an equal playing field,with a real chance of beating them rather then remain entrenched in the safety of ‘almost being there project’.

    The team will never be ‘ready to go ‘while the mentality of accepting mediocrity [Fletcher standards and retirement commodities],such as being satisfied with below average performers in the name of loyalty and st.george,besides the never ending supply of prawn sandwich eaters.

    If most of us acknowledge this scenario there is no way that ‘experts’ such as Jose do not recognize it as well. I accept he cannot go right out and tell the world that he has money problems and that half his squad is not fit for purpose so he just plays along until,,,,,,

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