Britain post brexit

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  • #1457362
    Dandy
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    Tried posting this over the last few days without any luck. Now we’re getting on with Brexit Britain might well look very different in 5-10 years. Putting aside all the divisive behaviour following the referendum what are people’s hopes the our future with regard to immigration, manufacturing and industries, the union with Scotland, jobs and employment, world wide free trade agreements etc.

    There are going to be some fantastic opportunities for those with a keen eye for business.

    I’m hoping we vastly improve schemes and education for apprentices so we don’t neccessarily need to look abroad for engineers, nurses, scientists and technicians.

    Controlled economic migration looks to be May’s priority but it’s still unclear what form that will take.

    It will be interesting to see if we can setup trade agreements with the US, India, China, Canada and Australia and how they’ll compare to our european exports.

    #1457428

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    If we’re unable to strike a deal with Europe and May pushes through with her low tax reforms to keep companies here, then she will in effect be following the Singaporean model. Obviously, that will mean the end of the NHS, the end of social security and government pensions in the future. That works in Singapore where family values are different and parents live with their children in retirement, the stronger siblings help the weaker ones. Can’t see it being as successful in the UK, a country used to ”evil European” values and social care.

    This brexit is like a dream for the conservatives, it’s delivering them everything they ever wanted. London should prosper and things will get worse for the poor.

    #1457454

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    We are where we are, personally I can’t see this being a positive, the majority of the experts are predicting rising costs, problems for the NHS, and less funding for science. Security could also be a big issue with us currently being a part of an EU wide security force against terrorism, the EU currently very annoyed by David Davis trying to use EU security as a bargaining chip.

    Have to agree with mufc from all that I have read it will mainly hit the poor.

    #1457478
    Jay belfast
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    On the other thread you guys were concerned about the london financial industry employees? Now it’s the poor will suffer most? We’ll have no pensions, no nhs and no secuirty?

    If we add in the rest of the remain claims of what would/will happen can we now officially call it the scatter gun, we dont have an eff’ing clue, stab in the dark approach to economic predictions?

    #1457501
    killyboye
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    EU wants to make an example of Britain to stop other countries leaving too. The more insular European countries, mostly in Eastern Europe, are currently net receivers from the EU, in other words, they get more than they give to the EU. However, once this changes the other way, they may look to leave as well given their nationalistic right wing tendencies. However, if Britain get properly screwed by the EU this will make them think twice.
    So where does that leave Britain?
    May’s hope that EU trade deals could be negotiated at the same time as the Brexit process has been roundly rejected. So, the EU is going to make Britain negotiate the full terms of its exit before it even considers any future trade deals, so if Britiain doesn’t get it’s arse in gear and get the full ‘divorce’ negotiated soon without giving itself time to negotiate trade deals by 29/03/2019 there is going to be a whole whack of trade tarriffs will have to be introduced even if only for a few weeks/months/years depending on how it goes which could have a severe effect on many business and more worryingly for Britain, multinational companies based in Britain who export to Europe and based themselves in the UK on the basis that it was a member of the EU.
    Other countries, especially us here in Ireland, who are very reliant on multinational companies, will try to exploit this and lure those companies across the Irish Sea, given that we have been likened to the Cayman Islands in helping corporate tax avoidance we’re probably looking a lot sweeter than the UK right now and service based and IT industries who don’t have to move a lot of heavy plant machinery to move will not think twice if a move can save them a couple of million pounds/euros a year.
    In the short term at least it looks like it’s going to be hard on the UK but really, as stated by Jay, no-one really knows what’s going to happen. It may be a wonderful thing for Britain.
    It’s worth remembering that the upcoming Scottish referendum on independence is a worry also. They stayed last time as they were told that they wouldn’t be members of the EU if they left the UK, this swung the vote immensely, that’s no longer a factor and there is no a very real possibility that Scotland will vote to leave the UK next time round. Given the oil and gas reserves that still exist in the North Sea, that has to have an impact on the UK economy even if many experts in the energy industry think that the days of oil and gas are numbered.

    #1457503

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    Jay – The problems facing the NHS and Security were not mentioned in the remain campaign they have only recently been mentioned by the industries concerned, who should in reality know what they are talking about.

    #1457509
    killyboye
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    Britain can always re-apply in a few years if things go really awry. No guarantee you’d be accepted though

    #1457518

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    Killboye – If things did go really awry we could then re-apply and I am sure we would be accepted, but surely on worse terms than we are on now 🙂

    #1457526
    killyboye
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    Could you hold another referendum soon to reverse it, and de-trigger Article 50? I think a lot of Britain is having second thoughts.
    A lot of farmers who voted for Brexit are now starting to realise that a lot of the grants they receive are EU funded even though they come through the Dept of Agriculture. Many Universities are facing massive funding cuts as the EU was a major contributor to third level research funding.
    It’s not just industry that’s going to face a massive backlash.

    #1457566

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    Killboye – Not an option I am afraid, it did make me laugh, the day following the vote, the number of people on radio phone ins saying they can’t believe we are leaving and what a bad decision it was, but then stating they voted leave as a protest vote, but they didn’t really want to. A second referendum would almost certainly give a remain result as the younger generations that were remain didn’t turn out to vote as they were complacent that we would remain. The result is there and has to be stuck to no matter what the consequences, I think people that think we have a define right to be great, because of our history are about to find out that we are a small island and are not massively influential when we are on our own.

    #1457604
    Dandy
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    I had hoped the thread wouldn’t be hijacked by petty point scoring. Never mind. Another thread ruined.

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    Jay belfast
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    Not sure we can say the uk is not that influential. 5th biggest economy by gdp in the world, one of the worlds strongest military and a major customer for many of the worlds other countries. That should give us a decent sway of influence.

    Yes the EU as a whole has more power but then again we were only a vote within that power. So does having the full control of our diminished power much worse than being only a vote of a larger power?!

    All very hard to know.

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    killyboye, you made the point on the “Attack on London” thread that the EU are looking to make an example of the UK in terms of the divorce settlement and that Theresa May may have to take one for Britain.

    Whilst I agree that the EU are trying to make an example of the UK with this alleged £50 billion divorce settlement Theresa May has made it very clear that whilst the UK will pay for all of it’s commitments to the EU the UK won’t accept being punished by the EU for leaving and that the UK won’t pay more on departure to the EU than what it believes our commitments to the EU are.

    There’s a benefit in both sides coming to a sensible agreement on this because EU exports into the UK outstrip UK exports into Europe by circa £60billion so Europe has substantially more to lose than the UK in all of this.

    I am a Remainer and I’m not foolish enough to not acknowledge the difficult road ahead but if Europe tries to hold the UK to ransom I would turn turtle as I suspect other Remainers might do and when we have got through all of this whatever is finally concluded I suspect might not get through Parliament and Theresa May may well have to call a General Election and I suspect given the Labour party are virtually unelectable the Tories will get back in with a much bigger majority to get whatever needs to be put through Parliament through Parliament in the final analysis.

    I have every confidence that Theresa May won’t be mugged by Europe and take one for Britain and the latest Sky polls even now suggest that the majority in the UK believe that too.

    #1457709

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    999 – Totally agree Labour are un-electable so once a general election takes place Theresa Thatcher will be able to do as she pleases which is quite funny seeing as most of the people that have created this situation are from Labour strongholds, and hate all the establishment, the establishment have never had a stronger position.

    #1457740
    killyboye
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    @999 don’t know why that showed up on the attack thread, posted it in the article 50 triggered thread but site crashed mid-post and thought it had disappeared.
    Brexit is a tory wet dream as they’ll now be able to undermine workers and worker’s rights without getting a slap on the wrist from Brussels

    #1457753

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    Killboye – Nail on the head.

    #1457761

    nine nine nine
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    killyboye,Theresa May has already stated that she will ensure workers rights are maintained.

    I’m pretty sure that ultimately to get the final agreement through Parliament May will have to go to the country and in that situation she will be held to account by the electorate on promises made and promises kept.

    #1457866
    knotter
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    It’s hilarious to hear remainers trying to put an economic argument to people who have gained no economic benefit from the EU.
    You cant threaten poor people with poverty, the EU has not stopped the record rise in people using food banks,it hasn’t prevented swingeing benefit cuts or cuts to the NHS or the long term decline of industry post Thatcher, indeed generational unemployment and Industrial decay have been a feature of the last 30 years within the EU for the North of England, not to mention the housing crisis the personal debt crisis etc etc, the idea that you can threaten these people with economic disaster is ludicrous.
    And all this with Britain paying trillions into the project.
    Britain is an economic fu** up, no doubt about it, the situation is now as serious as it has ever been, a good rise in interest could f**k up many many people’s lives.
    But that is within the EU, the idea that Brexit has anything to do with it is piffle.
    The leavers want an end to mass immigration and a return to the days when they knew who was in control and which country they belonged to. The economic argument means nothing compared to that.

    #1457871
    D1rtyH4rry
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    Knotter – I think people will give a shit when they have to pay for health care. Although that does have more to do with Tory rule than brexit.

    #1457880
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    The NHS,like social housing and nationalised industry, is a a socialist concept.It is not the norm in Europe within or without the EU. Indeed if you scour the world for a similiar arrangement you have to go to Cuba.
    Despite what the younger generation might think, the NHS was bought in by an extremely left wing Labour government at the end of a long and bloody world war, when hordes of well trained well armed working class men returned home from fighting the Nazi’s, determined that the old pre war world would change.
    Since then the working class have rejected socialism over and over again, even given the bent political system we live in, they have been luke warm at best in their response to calls for a more collectivist approach, the result is the destruction of the world which their forefathers built and a belief in the shallow illusions of capitalism.
    It is the tragedy of men that they forget……………

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