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    bluepylon
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    Oops, should of read “more than”

    #1541236

    Gibblue
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    I hope this break gives Antonio the time to review his own performance from the city game and also consider how he can help our out of form talent like Willian – he needs it and deserves it.

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    Chelsea.man
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    Now that we had those tough matches out of our way until mid next month. We can concentrate on playing our usual 3-4-3 which has served very well for us last season. But based on Conte’s reluctance to use it may mean that this formation relies a bully striker up to top rather than a technical striker like Morata. May be that is why Conte wants Hazard alongside Morata and wants to crowd the midfield. But we can use it against the lesser opposition to have that extra attacker to break them.

    #1541328
    Romansdirtypants
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    Chelseaman… going to take umbridge with your post about missing a bullish striker.

    Personally, when Costa had his a game on, it was his movement between players that gave him the space.

    When he wanted war he went toe to toe and didn’t get much as he was too involved in trying to wind the opposition up.

    I actually think morata has better movement and anticipation and better skills to move away from players and therefore needs lessphysicality to his game. It’ll need to develop for the bruising encounters but I’m preferring morata as things stand.

    This is one we can all keep chipping away at over the course of the season on these boards… look forward to it! Hope you’re well good sir…

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    Chelsea.man
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    RDP

    I agree with you that Morata’s movement is far more superior to Costa. What i meant was say Drogba like striker not a striker that tries to wind up. But rather like a striker who will occupy the back 3/4 of the opposition. Morata is technically gifted striker who relies pace and skill. But i’m in agreement with you about that Morata is a better option for us going forward. I thought Fabregas shouldn’t have started that game. Pedro was the man. But Conte knows better then i do.

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    Romansdirtypants
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    Chelseaman… Good points… I rather suspect we might see Morata bulk up a wee bit more over the course of the season.

    While we’ve been blessed in our striking department over the years, my waters are stirring about Morata. Im growing in excitement about what we might have.

    Of course, the question that needs asking is all about Michy the Batman. Lets hope we can play to his strengths and he delivers all important goals. It is his do or die season and we’ve a top striker with a hamstring injury so expect him to play.

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    I am actually pleasantly surprised at how well Morata has adapted to date and fully agree with RDP that I expect Morata to be hitting the gym to bulk up now he appreciates better the physicality of the EPL

    His movement off the goal has been good and something I had seen from clips but his power in holding the ball up and his pace was something I was not aware of

    Of course early days yet but I would say we are in good hands with Morata leading the line and if he adapts to the physicality and potentially improves his game under the watchful eye of Conte then I believe that we will have another winner leading the line. KTBFFH

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    CFC1905
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    of the ball (not goal)…!! KTBFFH

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    Let us not forget that Costa has been in the league for 3 years. and we have seen his best football last season. Morata has only been in the league for 2 months. so we may not see a complete performance from him. until he gets two to three seasons. that is the time we can compare him with Costa. something inside me tells me that Morata will take the Torres road than the Costa road. there are some good strikers in this league who never were blessed with physicality. Aguero is one of them, Vansitel Rooy was another, Torres, Suarez, Even Harry Kane isn’t blessed with physicality, Vardy was also like that. if we play to his strengths we will have some striker in our hands.

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    chelsea1967

    Where are you getting this idea that Willian is class? You can claim that if everything backs it up but the Stats and we have seen for 4+ years suggest otherwise.

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    Why does Morata need to bulk up?! He is 6’2″ and already pretty big.

    Bulking up could impact his style in a negative way. For example he could lose his agility and become stiff in his movements. I heard that Hazard doesn’t bulk up for this reason.

    I personally feel Morata needs to get his head around the fact he can’t go down easily expecting to win a free kick like in Serie A and La Liga. Pedro had this problem when he first joined and has almost killed it from his game.

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    Chelsea.man
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    Bort

    Its all about opinions, none of our opinions count. the only opinion that counts is Conte. and so far he is picking Willian without hesitation. i do understand your concerns and frustrations with Willian. and i’m afraid i share some of them with you. but like you i won’t say Willian has been a garbage since he joined us. while i admit that he is struggling right now, i still share those sentiments with Chelsea1967 that Willian was a class in the past. form is temporary class is permanent. i’m hopeful he will come good.

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    Chelseaman
    Willian was on the bench he came on for Morata, pretty sure conte would be picking hazard and Pedro ahead of Willian when all are fit
    People continue to ignore the manure move he never got

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    Chelsea.man
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    I haven’t seen anywhere that was reported Willian wanted that move. The only one that wanted that move was Matic and he got it. Anything else is a speculation. Some like to questions our players selectively when they are out of form. So if Hazard is out of form and Madrid wants him. Will we question him and say he wanted that Madrid move? Sanchez publicly said he wanted the City move. And he is now playing for Arsenal without being questioned. My conclusion is that Willian is facing confidence crisis nothing more. He signed 4 yrs last season. Pedro was fit and was already on the bench. But Conte prefered to use Willian, isn’t that strange? Its all about opinion. And i share that opinion with Chelsea1967.

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    bluepylon
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    “Conte is picking Willian without hesitation” well not quite if he came on as sub is it.
    And Willian himself was the one who confirmed the manure link both last season and this
    Never actually said he wanted the move, impossible to know that, but loss of form could be a factor.
    Not really sure what is meant as he is class, is that world class, well he surely ain’t that, but obviously a good player, and he has certainly regressed over the last couple of seasons.
    So on that I agree with Bort.
    Still have a sneaky feeling he may well move on in January, or defo end of the season.

    #1541521
    Chelsea.man
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    Anyway Conte felt that he needed certain players to carry out his game plan which i felt back fired. Yes Willian didn’t start, but Conte knows something that you and I doesn’t. He trains players everyday and knows their form and confidence. The fact that the first sub was Willians shows the trust that Conte has on Willian. Besides that i’m in the camp that feels Willian is a classy player but lacking form right now. Willian isn’t Lampard and will never be Lampard like midfielder. He is a player who gives cobtribution from both sides of the pitch. Not many attacking players do that. I don’t subscribe to the idea of bashing our players selectively when they are out form. Wise-fan is a culprit in that sense and it seems that you and Bort may have joined him in condemning Willian. Last two seasons he has had double figures in goals, and this season we have only played 7 matches and people are already questioning him? That is absurd IMO. Reserve any judgement until the first half of the season.

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    chelsea1967
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    Agree with everything you have said Chelsea Man. Agree that Willian is a bit off with his form right now however am confident that as the season progresses he will show his true value. As you said Conte keeps giving him opportunities whether they be starting or from the bench so he must be reasonably happy with his form. Against City I don’t really think anyone played particularly well so we could easily pick all the players’ form to pieces. I agree that it would be wiser to assess the form of individuals closer to the January Transfer window than after 7 matches.

    #1541571
    Romansdirtypants
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    Bort, morning sir…

    Perhaps I phrased it wrong. By bulking up I mean adding more upper body strength.

    Just for when a defender wraps his arms around or when jostling for high balls. I think he’ll have to do something to stop falling over and actually for winning balls in the airspace I’d suggest a little more arm and upper body strength.

    But spot on with the bulking up thing. Didn’t duff learn judo so he could fall better without damaging himself? Robben too if memory serves correct.

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    bluepylon
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    Come on discussing a player who is out of form on football forum for any club is not player bashing, surely you been on the terraces where it happens as regular as night becomes day, so please get off the WF cop out comparison with anyone who has varying opinions, as stated many times over the seasons on here been a massive fan of Willian, but he is and has been out of form for a long while, all I did was question around him Being a pick without hesitation and that he is not world class, now not saying anyone said he was that, but “class” was used and I merely debated in what category of class he belongs, because it is not world class for sure.
    Meantime let’s see how things pan out and I for one will be delighted if does indeed star performing.

    #1541625

    nine nine nine
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    When everyone is fit under Conte Willian has been a squad player and a useful one imo, although I doubt he’s happy with that which may be one reason for some of his patchy form.

    Personally I think “world class” is often a much over used and far to previous a description of players there are only a handful of world class players in football and even Hazard is only on the brink of being world class imo.

    Personally I wouldn’t have bought Willian on v City but I understand why Conte probably did as I suspect he was trying to address the problem of ball retention it didn’t work out and we move on.

    The point about what Conte sees and what we see is a good one though imo because we only see a player for 90 mins on a matchday whilst Conte sees them everyday over several hours in training.

    I certainly wouldn’t rule out Willian moving on in the summer but that applies to a number of players.

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