Danny Murphy Spot On.

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    steve68
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    for wenger to say we are not focussed enough is a disgrace.first of
    all,watford you fully deserved the win.you outfought us,wanted it a
    lot more,and in truth we could have been 4 down by half time.like
    danny murphy and many other’s have said,why is it a mental block/
    issue with us??it’s pretty obvious that wenger is not getting the
    best out of this team/squad.we are under achieving massively and
    this will be his last season.

    that chelski fan was right.reverse manager’s and we would see a huge
    improvement in out mentallity and discipline.for us not to be up
    against a team that lost it’s last 7,and not one of their players would
    get in our team is criminal.we didn’t have one shot on goal in that
    first half and watford looked so comfortable.the goals were farcical.
    no one switches on to the quick tap,and why oh why didn’t gabriel
    throw it down the line,instead he went in midfield where ramsey was
    having a quick knap.

    chelski will go on and win this title because they have a manager who
    knows what he wants and a system to suit his players.it’s pretty obvious
    that to win a title now you must have a defensive game where counter attack
    is essential.leichester,last season,had less than 35% on average possession
    but played a quick counter attacking game with a focal point up front in
    vardy,similar to what chelski now have with costa but better quality.
    another huge point murphy made was wenger never has a go at his players
    no matter how bad they are playing.his management style is outdated and
    if there’s more manager’s like conte out in italy,let’s get one.

    #1427610
    The Oracle
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    But steve68, we have the best squad in the PL how could we possibly have deserved to be 0-4 down at half time with a squad that good. Or first choice right back although fit was left out and that world class stand in Gabriel Paulista played instead. What a sterling job he did, on the other side we had the new Kenny Sansom, Nacho Monreal who made one contribution, he dived and got booked. Outstanding central defenders like Mustafi & Koscielny (I bet Costa can’t wait), in midfield we had the new sick note Aaaron Ramsey, the modern day Patrick Vieira Francois Coquelin who was on loan at Charlton not long ago. Then the man with the biggest heart in football, Mesut ‘Don’t Hurt Me’ Ozil. AKA Braveheart and Olivier ‘Like My Hair’ Giroud. Come on it’s obviously the best squad in the PL how can anyone think otherwise. Never mind, the top4 must be a possibility when you have the best squad in the PL, after all you said we do so it must be correct.

    #1427633

    steve68
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    shifty.it’s obvious you know squat about football.so what you
    are saying is the players are the problem not the manager?try
    working that one out schoolboy.

    #1427638

    steve68
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    oh i suppose these stats prove we have the worst squad in the prem
    lge acoording to the schoolboy shifty.www.skysports.coms/11095/10739829/arsenal-the-premier-leagues-top-team-for-scoring-late-goals/football/new all luck i suppose.

    #1427649
    The Oracle
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    Oh dear motor mouth is back. Funny then isn’t it I keep getting it right and you just keep making a fool of yourself. It’s that clown Wenger who assembled this squad, a squad in spite of your ludicrous insistence is NOT the best in the PL and not even close. It’s a squad full of average players who should not be anywhere near a club of Arsenal’s stature, but what would you know about that. Then we get the meaningless stats that prove nothing, always the last resort of uninitiated. Just give up, you’re starting to look like another mightywenger.

    #1427655

    steve68
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    schoolboy.whaty’s the matter,someone nicked you’re sweets today.
    so the mighty schoolboy thinks eddie done nothing howe needs to
    replace wenger.so what your also saying is conte,moanio,whoever
    wouldn’t do any better with this squad than wenger.oh that’s
    right,you think eddie howe is the right man.idiot.

    #1427660

    fatmop
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    We lose a game and all of a sudden that makes you a better fan than anybody else doss it?

    Some of us enjoy the high moments in football and when we win 5-0 enjoy it – maybe I dare say get carried away in hope and dream of winning things,thats what football is about. Equally when we lose we are pissed off. We all want Arsenal to win, what we don’t need is an obnoxious know it all rubbing it in if we dont. All it is with you is moan moan moan Wenger Wenger Wenger I bet when we won the league you moaned at the price of a coffee. Two words Give Over

    #1427661
    The Oracle
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    fat mop, WE LOSE A GAME!!!!!! Lose a game. Are you for real? We have been losing games like that continually for 13 years. It’s permanent Groundhog Day in the world of Arsenal and Arsene Wenger. And given we have the best squad we have EVER, EVER had according to you and a great manager in Clouseau why does it happen, week in week out, every season, for 13 years. When will you people learn.

    #1427666

    steve68
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    fatmop.the coward shifty tried getting support earlier.he can’t fight
    his own battles because he’s a coward.he’s acted like a little schoolboy
    bully giving it large but we know he’s really weak.i have never known
    anyone spout so much trash over another fan’s opinion like this idiot.
    he’s a cancer to this forum and always have been,mate.say what you want
    when you want mate.

    #1427674
    The Oracle
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    Oh dear steve68 calls foe reinforcements from fat mop. One thinks we have the best squad in the PL, the other one thinks we have the best squad ever. Look sonny, no one else agrees with you. Sit back, engage brain and try to work out why you have made a complete and utter muppet of yourself. We DONT have the best squad in the PL as Tuesday night and this Saturday and countless other awful gutless performances should have told you by now. If you don’t have the intelligence and knowledge to work it out for yourself by now you never will. When will you people ever learn.

    #1427895

    Gooner54
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    Morning all,

    Question. If we have the best squad in the prem league, why are we not consistently winning. our performances are erratic and other teams are outplaying us, both tactically and in one on one situations.
    I’m not attacking any viewpoint, just we seem to be the same every year. The defence is still weak, Midfield gets played around and our forwards seem ineffective when the bus is parked.
    We have changed many players, yet non seem to “step up” (I exclude Sanchez). Team self belief and drive very fragile. I’m sure you feel the same dread when we play the “in your face teams”, as we go missing. We are treading water in a swimming race. In this very close competitive sport, any weakness, however small, is sufficient to destroy the, or any positives that you have. Afterall, that’s how the games played. That’s how life is played period.
    All on this page share a love for Arsenal, abet from different angles, but a common focus on the one team WE, choose to support.
    There needs to be a change, you know by my past posts, what I think, so will not bore you. However, from whatever position, or standpoint, We cannot carry on in the present direction. To remain competitive, we need to soberly, correct the malaise that is preventing Arsenal from being the best, most feared team in the Premier league.
    Times are changing, methods and tactics advance. This is a cold fact of life. You cannot hesitate in mainstream football, if you do, you don’t last long. The signs are there for Arsenal. Time to wake up.

    Gooner for life.

    #1427992
    the specialone
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    gooner54 – No we don’t have the best squad in the PL.Anyone who believes that is simply put naive and ignorant.Because having the best squad in the PL would mean the players should be gifted with a winning mentality.The manager’s job would just be to put the pieces into place.

    Granted wenger does nothing at all to improve our mentality,which is why we’re often so erratic.It still dosen’t excuse the poor mentality of the players and they have to take blame as well.

    I take no pleasure in saying this and I actually hate to say this but our team has been overrated for quite some time now.We are such a pretentious team, in all these years for all the apparent title challenges we’ve out in have we once ever come close enough to winning the title.No.We swiftly overcome the average teams, but once we face the top teams we get destroyed and that’s where my confidence in the team goes to nil.

    Klopp said the other day, he’d rather give in a good performance and draw then give a bad performance and win.And I completely agree with that.Because if you give a good performance atleast the team is headed in the right direction, the tactics etc are all correct it’s upto the players.But that’s not the case at our club.

    The results or our league standing might not suggest so but we’ve played pathetically poor at times this season, and which is why we always get found out against the big guns.Yes that occasional 3-0 against a man utd or chelsea,but that is so rare to see at the club.Our record is pretty pathetic against them.

    I’d rather lose two games against a so called smaller team, then one game against a big side.Because then you know that the quality is there, just not the consistency.

    Also this saying that we can beat any side on our day is the most bullish*T piece of saying there is.We got knocked out the round of 16 CL last five seasons if I’m correct.Simply put because the opponents were better than us.
    We never do enough to win the tie, but enough to please our unambitious fans.

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    andy528
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    Obviously people are having some major disagreements on the quality of our squad but for me, there is no question that other managers would get more from this current crop than Wenger does.
    What we need is a boss that takes defending seriously and devotes serious time and resources to making it work. We need a manager that knows the best positions for his players and one who is strong enough to pick in form players and not just his pets.

    If you look at the quality of our squad, it is very strong in some areas…..

    Personally I wouldn’t say Cech is an elite player anymore, but world class keepers are very tough to find these days. He is still very good but perhaps not a match winner anymore. Ospina is a capable back up. Nothing more.

    Bellerin is the best full back in the league probably. However, we don’t have a capable back up. On the left, I actually think Monreal is on the slide and Gibbs has never convinced anyone he is top class. LB is an area to address. At CB, Kos is brilliant on most occasions and Mustafi has been an improvement on what we had. He is still only 24 as well. Back up options…..Gabriel is not good enough and Per is finished. Improvements to be made in that department. Its tough to make comparisons with Chelsea as they don’t really play with full backs. However, Moses and Alonso are not what you would call world beaters really. Just used well in a system that works. City’s defence is awful. We absolutely have better options than they do. Spurs have cracking full backs and their 2 CBs are very good. Again, their back up options are hardly great.

    Midfield is an area we all thought was well stocked and yet we find ourselves down to the absolute bare bones. Even when fit, do we have the best midfield options? As much as I like him, I don’t see Xhaka getting into the Chelsea, City or Spurs side. Cazorla when fit possibly would. After that, I don’t see any of our central players pulling up trees. Chelsea have excellent defensive options in Kante and Matic and Spurs have Dier and Wanyama who are very effective.

    Up top I think we have a lot of quality players on their day. Welbeck, Theo, Alexis, Ozil, Giroud, Perez, Iwobi….Chelsea have a lot of class as well in Costa, Hazard, Wilian and Pedro. Spurs are nothing like as strong as we are in that department. City have goals up top obviously. Alexis would get a game for them. Any of the others?

    I think overall we have better options in some areas of the pitch than our rivals but it will never matter until we can get a manager that can make the most of them. We absolutely need to strengthen in full back positions and potentially the middle of the park again because that is our biggest issue right now.

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    Gunjam74
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    Great articulation andy528…

    I would like more posts from everyone like this please…I do not mean everyone agreeing before some other posters start but the way in which andy has at no point made direct insult or inference to others opinions…

    My opinions vary on some of your points and some are exactly the same…
    our fullbacks for example against Spurs…if we had both of Spurs fullbacks and no changes to our team they would look awful in my opinion due to the nature of our central midfield pairing…

    Like you andy at the minute the biggest problem I see from the stand or from the TV is how Wenger utilises the players on the park…we seem to be chopping and changing our attacking philosophy every game…fast build up, quick counter, slow build up…maybe its direction from him maybe its the players, I do not know…Conte may vary his defence tactics to suit the opposition but offensively it remains the same main stay pattern…we seem to one week we have wider players cutting in then the next the stay wide, then the next its a combination but more like if I was wide last time we had the ball then the next time we have it I will cut in…

    Reason: from what I see is that over the years Wenger has purchased players and the freedom he gives them makes the problem…again take Conte…came in tried several things made his decision and stuck with it…small alterations only per game…not drastic overhaul every match…

    apologies if I ramble and not on point with thread…I never listened to Danny Murphy after highlights(hmmm), needed to go to bed…

    peace all
    lang may yer lum reek

    #1428135

    stev2bath1
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    As Wenger says we are always one loss or draw from catastrophe, our squad stands up against most of the top five its just getting some consistency. In saying that, apart from Chelsea this is the same problem with all the top teams and only one of them is managed by Wenger! I agree in principle with Gunjam that we need to decide we are playing one way or the other. I personally prefer a fluid front three and using Giroud as a back up. Its great we have options to play another way but i think we just need to keep playing the same way with different players as options then bring in Giroud when this is not working.

    #1428138
    the specialone
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    Andy – I think just about everyone would agree on here that another manager would get more out of this squad, and yes in some areas of the pitch we’re considerably stronger than our rivals but his squad management is just plain poor.For all the midfielders we have in our squad, Coquelin will be the only fit central midfielder available to us against chelsea.Even after knowing that we will inevitably have injuries( for which wenger dosen’t want to take blame),he not only decided to send wilshere out on loan without a call back clause but he didn’t strengthen that area of the team enough.I mean seriously,Xhaka Cazorla ramsey wilshere El nenny none of them are available.That just goes to show at a club like ours we should have extra strong back up options available and be at the safer end of things than being ignorant.

    I think the funniest part about wenger I feel is that I don’t even think he’s a bad manager.People will realize that once he’s gone, but his lack of animation on the touchline, his lack of passion which passes onto the players,his naivety in not making his players appeal enough for decisions.Those are just unacceptable from a fan’s point of view.
    And I’m sure a player would be more effected if he had a manager shouting and instructing him and giving him that extra motivation fro the touchline rather than someone who enjoys to sit on his backside thinking where he’s mucked up when almost everyone can see the most obvious reasons.

    #1428243

    stev2bath1
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    Special One that was a very measured post not an insult in sight, You even said Wenger is not a bad Manager….Is this really you! I do agree I sometimes want a manager who looses it and drives the team forward shouting and directing players like Klopp or Conte but he is not like that and never will be. He seems to sulk and gets angry with himself and officials and this seems to transmit to the players I don’t agree most managers would get more out of this squad and doubt a majority of people here would as he signed them all and apart from Sanchez and Ozil and Cech most players were made by him. What I mean is they are much better players than when he brought or signed them so it would be hard to say they would be at this level if another person had been in charge.

    #1428285
    Al The Gooner
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    Quality of squads can only ever really be down to opinion – certainly when talking about us vs the Manchesters and Chelski.

    So much depends on the manager, the number of injuriea and, of course, how the individuals are used.

    The way I see it, if Wenger can get top 4 with this squad, then someone like Pep or Klopp would do even better.

    Surely if we have only the 4th best squad, then Wenger has over-achieved any time we’ve got 3rd or 2nd.

    On the defence, no, we don’t have great back-up, but how many clubs do. Defence isn’t an area where you want to rotate too much and it would be very hard to keep a top player happy if he isn’t first choice.

    Look at Debuchy – not a bad player at all when he’s not sulking, but the moment he realised Bellerin had become first choice, he started kicking up a fuss.

    Whether we have the best first eleven is another question – probably not is the answer – but there aren’t many teams with as good back-up as we have. Problem is that until Wenger gets to the bottom of our injury issues, even the back-up will be stretched.

    Also not sure why Rambo’s quality is being questioned. We’ve all seen him be outstanding for both us and Wales (wasn’t he player of the tournament at the Euros or something?). Whatever it is that’s been wrong lately, he’s still a top player, which I reckon we’ll be reminded of when he plays under a new manager.

    #1428368

    steve68
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    guys,besides shifty.when i was talking about best squad i was talking
    about 1-25 players.last season we finished 2nd,so therefor had the 2nd
    best team/squad.now i fully except that the prem lge don’t lie,and where
    you finish will define where you are.

    how many times have i heard this season from many pundits etc say that
    if chelski lost costa & hazard they would struggle?my point is this,
    if we lost sanchez/ozil we still have the options of playing rambo/
    cazorla/iwobi,and despite him being out on loan wilshere in the ozil
    role.depending who you play on the other side we could pick from walcott,
    ox,welbeck,perez,iwobi.i don’t see chelski having has many options
    as those above.

    i expect them to now go on and win the prem lge but just remember,last
    season they finished 21 points behind us.now the biggest difference for
    them as been konte and the signing of kante in particular.so they haven’t
    had this mass overhaul of players have they.so with a new manager in
    for us next season,why can’t we do the same?

    what we need is a manager who can get the best out of his players and
    have a go at them when they need to.we all know wenger does nothing.
    i do believe we need that top draw defensive midfield player as i don’t
    see coq being top quality.what this team/squad needs more than
    anything is a new voice,with new ideas and ideally a top signing or
    two.the big difference between chelski players and ours is they know
    what they are doing.we look so disjointed at times and the body
    language says it all.fresh blood and a bit of fine tuning will do
    us a world of good don’t you think?

    #1428389
    Al The Gooner
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    Steve, everything you say above comes down to what I believe about Wenger, in as much as you can have the best squad in the world but, if the manager doesn’t use that squad right, it doesn’t matter.

    I think Pep would have had less work to do with our squad than with City’s and we’d be a lot closer to Chelski, probably above them.

    For me, Wenger is the problem – not the players. He still has a good eye for a player and I’d be happy if all he was was our chief scout.

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