Did Ox just muck up his own career by Joining Liverpool?

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    the specialone
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    It would seem so.

    Before saying anything,I would like to say I do respect his decision for turning down a mind boggling £180k at Arsenal and settling for £120k at Liverpool.So clearly it was not about the money.
    He wanted to leave Arsenal?Fine.Fair play.I myself would admit that he would only fulfill his potential under a different manager which was not going to happen at Arsenal.What I don’t understand is Why he needed to do heroics and say that he wants to fulfill his dream of becoming a box to box midfielder.

    Son,the basic requirement to fit anywhere in central midfield is you need to be a good passer of the ball.And I can vouch for the fact that after watching him play for three years this guy is as bad a passer of the ball you can find.His other areas of his game, absolutely phenomenal.I even touted him to become as good as sanchez one day playing under the right manager.But his passing is just horrendous.

    Why would he want to leave at a time where he would stand out every time he played at the RWB position.I don’t know how, but it really seemed to hit it off there.Again,if he joined chelsea then he would play in the same position where he would probably succeed.

    I don’t know what plans Klopp has for him.But for now I can’t see him get much playing time so yes his career just went backwards.

    It’s a shame,I really do rate the kid.And no,£40m for his is not daylight robbery at all.Yes,with one year left on his contract it was a good deal we got(for once) but otherwise if Klopp will give him playing time and eventually unlock his talent he’ll be unstoppable remember this.

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    Dandy
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    I think you’ve made some great points. If he wanted to be a starter in central midfield he needed to move lower down the pecking order but where does that leave him? Southampton? He’s not better than Lemina or Davis. Everton? Maybe. Stoke?

    #1534463
    thekickoff
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    Well said specialone. To be honest I have never seen the appeal of Ox, a few fancy goals have obscured awful performances over the years and someone who cannot even pass the ball a few meters to their team mate is not good enough to start for any team in the league, personal opinion of course. If a player cannot do the basics there is not justification for his inclusion, akin to Sissoko who clearly has been slipping something into Poch’s tea to make him get a space on the team sheet of late.

    Tha Ox had potential but sadly I do not think that he will ever reach the highest level of playing on a consistent basis. Never nice to say that about someone but many players have suffered similar fates. That’s the game.

    #1534467
    theMartial Art
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    I don’t see why Oxlade Chaimberlain is expected to do great things for Liverpool. He hardly set the grass alight at Arsenal. He’s an expensive journeyman premier league footballer, rather ordinary. Looking stupid for turning down 180k.. will be at Stoke in 2 yrs

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    This has got me really confused now, I just don’t know which way to turn, do I take the opinion of world renowned coaches, or 4 keyboard warriors, 2 of which are parodies of football fans. Decisions decisions 🙂

    #1534596
    Dandy
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    Pax – What’s with calling me a keyboard warrior because I think AOC is a very very average central midfielder?

    #1534612

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    Dandy – Sorry mate, I was more having a dig at two troll posters, but to be fair I will still take, some world renowned coaches view of a player over yours, as far as the ox goes, I have never really seen enough of him as I don’t watch that many Arsenal games, and you can’t judge from highlights, but if klopp has seen something he feels he can work with I will trust him on that, there have been many players over the years that have looked average under some managers but flourished under others.

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    AshCFC
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    The term ‘keyboard warrior’ as I understand it means someone who is aggressive and abusive towards fellow posters. I don’t think that applies on this thread so not really a reasonable thing to say imho.

    I agree with the majority of what the lads here have said about Ox. I was relieved we didn’t sign him as I don’t see him as an upgrade on any of our existing squad, I think Conte wanted him as competition for Moses, but as widely reported the lad doesn’t fancy a wing back role, apparently!

    #1534619
    Dandy
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    Paxman- Neither Wenger or Klopp want to play him as a central midfielder which is why the special one said he’s ruining his career. Wenger and Klopp’s use of him as a wide man or wing back only supports what every poster on this thread is saying. As a player generally, he’s pretty good, as a central midfielder, he isn’t good enough which is why he had to force a move from Arsenal

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    thekickoff
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    Paxman – I trust you are not referring to me as a troll poster. @ashcfc – Never thought that when I first saw Moses play that this young striker who had potential would fail in that role over a number of years then excel as a RWB. Great coaching and experimentation by Conte.

    #1534630

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    Thekickoff – Nah it wasn’t in your direction 🙂

    #1534644
    killyboye
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    I think he was doing a good job of mucking up his career before he ever joined Liverpool to be honest.

    #1534649
    the specialone
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    Haha paxman,there’s not one keyboard warrior on here.And no troll either.

    Like i said I actually like Ox.I think he has huge potential to be unlocked under Klopp.But In my opinion he just made his own career go backwards because he was starting for Arsenal,and would probably start for chelsea but for Liverpool since you don’t play the same system I just can’t see place in there for him.It will be interesting to see how he fairs though.

    As far as his talent is concerned,I can vouch for the fact apart from his passing and sometimes end product he is phenomenal.mainly as a dribbler.He’s all about pace and power.
    And I can assure you in today’s market £40m is not being mugged off, again because I personally think he’s very talented.That’s just my opinion.There’s a reason why we were desperate to keep ox, but we had no other choice because next season we’d lose him for free.Complete mismanagement for not extending his contract in the first place, but it almost made up for it.

    #1534661
    thekickoff
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    To be fair any club who is able to sell a player with one year on their contract for £40 million has done well.

    #1534664

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    TSO – It is 35M for the moment, only if Ox becomes a success and we win things does his fee go up to 40M, and if we win things with him, I am sure we will be happy to pay the extra 5M 🙂

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    Luckydestiny
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    4 good posts on this thread with people giving their honest opinion, then a troll turns up accusing prev posters of being keyboard warriors with a canned argument along the lines of “well some professionals have a different opinion to you so your opinion is discredited”

    What a load of bs!

    There are professionals in football that dont rate ox in central mid either (wenger and conte obviously being 2 of those), I would take their opinion over any body who disagrees as they are paid professionals after all! you see how stupid that argument is.
    Thanks to everyone else for having a mind of their own though, especially special one who made some great points and whom I agree with.

    #1534739

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    Luckydestiny – This is not about rating a player in a particular position, as players can adapt, managers and coaches look at players abilities, the only time they look at positions on the field is when they are looking to recruit for a particular position. Most players can play a number of positions, Wenger has played Ox in CM it is just he feels he has better options there at the moment, and Conte doesn’t need a CM, but they both still rate the player that is why one offered him £180K per week in a big wage increase to stay and the other one wanted to sign the player. Yes Klopp, Conte and Wenger rate Ox so forgive me if I take their opinions above yours, and it wouldn’t take all 3, I would take any one of their opinions above yours.
    Although I would love to hear your reasons why the Ox would make a fantastic wing back?

    #1534845
    theMartial Art
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    @Paxman – Plz tell us what the world renowned coaches said about Ox?

    I will start with Henry’s opinion. “I’ve been watching him for a very long time and I still don’t know what he’s good at”

    Henry is right. Ask any Arsenal fan – he doesn’t score goals, he doesn’t assist, he can’t take freekicks or corners, can’t defend, tactically useless, he is average at everything but not great at anything.. running all over the place and creating zero. Phew, that was a tight escape for Chelsea. Arsenal getting £35m is robbery.

    Where do you think he’s going to play at Liverpool? He can’t even hold the ball for 2 seconds and yet he wanted to force Wenger into playing him in a position where holding the ball is crucial. Santi Carzola was great at it, Ox is nowhere near the caliber of Carzola or even Ramsey for that matter.

    #1534847

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    Well I wondered when Warro would wade in, Ox was wanted by Wenger, Conte and Klopp, how many titles do these have as coaches and how many does Henry have? Next you will be quoting Robbie Savage lol

    #1534861

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    Strange story that of the Ox. For years at Arsenal he never managed to tie down a first team spot or make a position his own. The towards the end of last season he was tried as a wing back and it worked out well for him. He started this season the same then decided he wanted to fight for a central midfielder spot elsewhere.

    He should have been happy as a wing back as it was a position he could have made his own. Valencia eventually settled there and has now been nominated for the Fifpro XI.

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