Do we have any chance of top four?

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    ahmad1973
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    After watching some of the games this weekend, I would say no. Based on current form, the top four will be City, Manure, Spurs and Chelsea in no particular order. It pains me to say that we are miles behind Spurs at the moment. And things will not get better even when Wenger leaves. He will leave us likely worse off than when he took over. And with 100M worth of talent leaving for free next summer, we could become a mid table team very quickly given our ownership situation. Wenger’s vision was based on the assumption of a rigorous FFP rule. This not only did not happen, but now with the TV money being thrown around, we have no advantage from the income generated by the Emirates. It’s not all lost though. Kroenke must allow a new manager at least 200M to rebuild the team. Someone young is a must, not Ancelotti etc… The danger is that our inept board will likely hire Howe instead of someone like Tuchel… A worried Gunner!

    #1535827
    the specialone
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    I too would be inclined to say no.

    Although I never really expected us to win the title in recent years,I still thought we’d be thereabouts.But I have to admit, this season is the first time I genuinely feel so inferior to our rivals.Again,Mainly because of the quality of the managers they have.

    I see a lot of the other teams play.They play and perform better than us.I also feel they have so much more strength in depth as well.And when their managers are so much more animated and care much more than wenger than it’s really worrying.How can you possible defend someone who sits on that bench rather than instructing his players on the touchline more than ever before.

    Wenger is an outdated manager.He’s out of ideas, hardly ever has a plan b.He dosen’t understand the modern game, and definitely dosen’t know what’s necessary to win a title.He simply needs to leave the club asap.

    #1535829

    barber_
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    It’s funny, Ahmad. I took one look at the table, and came on here to start a new post about this very same topic!

    We seem so lowly in 12th place at the moment and it might only be a contrived position, but when you see that the top 4 is made up of Man City, Man U, Chelsea and Spurs, with Pool propping them up… I think the season just ended for me five minutes ago looking at that table. I don’t believe we will make top 4 this season, or any other season for the foreseeable future. Our rivals just seem so far ahead of us. And when we don’t make the CL, I consider that as categorical failure for this club, I’m sorry!

    Look at the Chelsea result against Stoke away, a fixture we recently lost – they absolutely took Stoke apart! 0-4 away at the Britannia is a phenomenal result, one that we are not capable of producing with the sort of dominant performance that Chelsea had today.

    I feel sad. The Chelsea result last weekend buoyed a lot of fans, but let’s look at the reality there – we were more or less celebrating the fact that the team performed to the standard that it should. No more! In fact, it was an inefficient performance that should have disappointed us because we really should have come out of that match with three points and a +2 GD! We need much more than performances like that to even get into the top 4, let alone compete for the league title.

    The only thing I can think is that we are effectively in limbo until Wenger leaves… And there’s nothing worse than just wishing time away. What a sad, sad state of affairs in this club. The pride and the joy of supporting this club has just been sucked right out, to be honest! To have no hope 5 matches in…

    #1535834

    ahmad1973
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    To sum up our decline, we seem to be chuffed by a draw against Chelsea. We sadly are no longer in the same conversation as the top clubs. We have become all rans! This is unacceptable. Because we sacrificed the years when we may have won something by tightening the purse for this crap shoot. The only long term hope is that the losers, i.e. Wenger, the BoD, and Kroenke all go to hell. Believe me that with Kroenke we may well end up like Villa.

    #1535848

    New Era
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    Too doom and gloom here, not enough logic used.

    Squad wise we’re better than last season, top left back and great striker signed, only Ox lost who was superb at contributing nowt. Performance wise we’re already creating way more chances in games compared to last. In addition, no proper europe, that’s massive (Leicester and Chelsea anyone?), as such we should be at least 5pts better off than last year, probably more.

    Spurs have regressed, the Wembley factor, we should beat them. Liverpool still have a dodgy defence and champs league to contend with. Regression again or at least stagnation.

    Barber – stoke comparison is poor. United didn’t even beat them, and our performance merited at least a draw if not a win. It was just an unlucky result. And if your gonna use that result to prove a point, you can’t then dismiss the Chelsea game.

    The league table lies at the moment. United have played dross all season, we’ve had two tough away games. A win against West Brom and we’re just behind the top 4. Our annual drop around/after xmas shouldnt happen this year as our 1st team has played fewer intensive games.

    If we keep the squad positive, don’t lose Sanchez in xmas, perhaps add a cb in the winter, we will defo outperform peoples predictions. The defence is a major worry, but Id actually say that we’re one cb away from being genuine contenders, such is the advantage of no champs league.

    Next season boys is a different kettle of fish. Now wengers appeal in Europe has dissipated, recruiting top players will be tough. That’s when the proper demise will happen. This season will be a little Indian summer…..fingers crossed!

    #1535881

    steve68
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    i do think we have a chance of top 4.i thought it would be a 3
    horse race for the title with us,pool and the spuds fighting it
    out for 4th spot.the spuds have the wembley hoo-doo,and i don’t
    get the admiration for liverpool,who are no better than us other
    than when they hammered us 4-0.

    the pressure is on us to win tomorrow night and if we do we’ll
    move up to within a point of those teams above.we all know on
    our day we can beat anyone.it’s weird that we have looked more
    of a team against chelski than having our so called best two
    players in the team?i have no doubt that sanchez will return
    to form but don’t care too much about ozil.life without him
    next season won’t be too bad IMO.

    i do think we must priortise the fa cup & league cup because we
    are not at the level of citeh,utd or chelski,and while both
    wenger and the board are at our club we have no chance competing
    for the prem lge or champs lge.we must keep the trophy count
    ticking over and the only way i see that is in a cup competition
    where we can string good results in a short period of time.

    whatever anyone thinks of wenger,he has won 3 trophies in the last
    four seasons.compare that with the great klopp who has lost his
    last 6 finals including two at pool.i certainly don’t think he’s
    has great as some make out.if klopp was at afc and done the same
    we’d be hammering him for not even winning a cup final.at the end
    of the day we have won 3 trophies to pool’s 0 in the past 4 seasons.
    so i’m one of those who wouldn’t want klopp over wenger right now.
    we need a manager who can build a team from back to front not one
    who has become the new afc while we have become the new pool?

    #1535910
    the specialone
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    New era – I can clearly see you’re an optimist, although I have to admit your analysis is very unrealistic and bit ridiculous as well.

    Firstly,there’s nothing definitive to suggest our squad is better than last season.We lost Gabriel(who seems go be doing a fine job with valencia) when in reality we should’ve gotten rid of those two overrated players chambers and holding.We also should’ve gotten rid of an aging and unreliable mert.Then we also sold gibbs which was unneccesarry.Need I remind you we are playing maitland niles in his position now.Not really strength in depth is it?Ox people thought it was a good bit of business but his whole situation should’ve been handled better and I still wanted him to be at the club.
    as far as our signings go, we signed kolasinac.Good signing.But again there was no reason to sell gibbs so it was tic for tac.Monreal plays as a LCB now.As for lacazette.he really needs to step up.Morata and Lukaku have both proven to be solid signings till now and lacazette needs to step up when it really matters.

    Either ways, it really dosen’t matter whether our squad is better than last season, what matters is if it is as strong as city’s or united’s or chelsea’s.My answer is a firm no.And Liverpool and spurs both have much better managers.

    We should’ve won at stoke.I don’t even think we performed poorly.We had enough chances and that’s the most frustrating part.Our lack of desire and a lack of winning mentality cost us the game.

    Bottom line is the manager has lowered the expectation level of the fans to a top four team.That’s why the fans were celebrating a draw at chelsea.It’s pathetic.And although I don’t at all seeing us progress without a change in board,a CHANGE in manager is the least we needed.

    You must be living in la la land if you think we are one CB away from being genuine challengers.No matter how many players or what quality we sign, the title is simply out of the question with this manager.

    #1535921
    Al The Gooner
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    I didn’t think we’d make top four before the season began and I still don’t but, despite some poor results and even worse performances, if we beat West Brom on Monday, we’re a point behind Liverpool and the Spuds.

    But I certainly wouldn’t base judgement on how the table looks after six games – I’d base it on the fact that for the last six or seven seasons (at least) we had to rely on other top six teams screwing up to let us in the top four – Spurs doing it several times in the most spectacular and memorable fashion.

    Last season was just the first time it all caught up with us.

    City have been the only convincing side that look worthy of their position so far. Utd haven’t had a tough game yet and Spurs lost their only tough one, losing at home to the same Chelski side that we drew away to, while Chelski themselves don’t look like the side that waltzed to the title last season.

    #1535925
    Al The Gooner
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    Ahmad, sorry mate but a draw, away to the champions, is a great result in any season, for any team – especially when we arguably looked the more likely to score.

    Doesn’t mean much in the grand scheme of things and we showed that three days with the narrowest of wins over Doncaster, a side struggling at the bottom of League One, despite Wenger putting out a very strong side, but any team that comes away from the Bridge with a point has every right to be happy with that.

    #1536016

    New Era
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    SO – Tic for tac kolasinac and Gibbs? You must be a wind up merchant, anyone with a brain can see that Kolasinac is a huge upgrade.

    Not even gonna bother with responding to anything else you said there pal, you lost me there.

    #1536019
    The Oracle
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    Not a cat in hells chance, as I predicted at the start of the season 7th

    #1536066

    Jeff
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    No time for the poster you responded to New Era, he’s been known for that for too long. But have to say your post is the biggest load of tripe seen on here for many a day. Sure you must be on the wind up. All “ifs” and “buts”- open your eyes man. This club has been the same for over 10 years whilst this impostor has awarded himself pay upgrades and new contracts.One good result against Chelsea and you’ve got the excuses coming for previous matches. We are not in the same league as our rivals who ALL have better managers than ours, who want to win and who have players who want to play for them.

    #1536117
    the specialone
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    New era – I’m sure last season you didn’t even know who kolasinac was.But anyhow, no one’s denying that he’s an upgrade.I meant tic for tac in terms of quantity, my mistake if anyone misunderstood it because that’s what it usually means.There was absolutely no need to sell gibbs,he would’ve gotten many games.Like I asked,Unless you can defend why maitland niles is being played in that decision which has happened a couple of times I think you’ve already lost this argument.
    As for the rest of the post,ha so conveniently you don’t want to respond because you’ve probably understood it’s full of nonsense.”Title challengers from a player away”,go back to your cuckoo land will you.

    Also,moderators if there is anyone who actually there on here.It’s time to ban posters like bsm and jeff(the biggest w@nker on this forum).I think their boredom in their lives makes them prompt unnecessary replies to posters.Today is just another example of why they’re not needed on this forum because they want to unnecessarily aim digs at posters.Absolute losers.

    #1536127

    the bsm walk
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    Tso – grow up you kid. Every single poster has had an argument with you. You come on here spam the forums every day with posts that are non sensical and think you’re right every time. Get a life. Come back when you start actually posting sensibly rather than every post ‘I told you so, bow down to my superior knowledge’ you’re so deluded and so far up your own Arsenal. Number one imbecile on here by far. I remember when you posted Arsenal subjects on the main your say forum trying to even get opposition fans to confirm to yourself you are right or something. Egocentric prat. Actually… I can’t even say you’re trying to feed your own ego – people with egos usually have something going for them or actually make sense. Then you go on to talk about boredom? Really? At least I’m not the one on here everyday starting bullshit topics about everything and anything.

    #1536138

    romford_pele
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    I can’t predict the future, none of us can, or I’d have won the lottery by now. For top 4, my answer is a very easy no. Whoever thinks we are better off this season is having a bubble. Let’s wait for the excuse of Thursday’s long away trips hamper us etc etc. All the bs is yet to come again… like so many other seasons. There will always be an excuse. Whether it be Sanchez, the fans, the transfer window, Thurday nights, refs, you name it he will use it. A decent result against Chelsea proves nothing, neither will beating WBA tomorrow (if we do) because we know full well we will get turned over time and time again while he sits there struggling with his zip. Sorry for those who feel it will be anything more and a fight for the title is out of the question. If I’m wrong and we won it, I’d buy you all several pints!

    #1536141
    the specialone
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    bsm – hahaha, did I touch a nerve there.Well I didn’t start it.I mean you’re so pathetic in order to defend yourself you can’t even stand up for yourself.You need to bring other posters into the argument.As of this moment,I find only two obnoxious posters on here and thats you and that w@nker jeff.Why?because if we go through your posting history 90% of your posting history is about me.Literally.I told you don’t like my posts then don’t comment on it.I speak enough sense 10 fold more than you to have my posts on the yoursay of the day and have a pretty reasonable debate on the main page.

    Really,if you don’t like my posts get lost or at the least shut the hell up.I never call you out, even though I think your posts are so poor.Because I’m willing to respect everyone’s opinion on here.But as soon as I post something your useless self has to say something about me.Honestly,moderators if you’re there please go through his posting history and you’ll know.I said posters Like you need to be banned, because you’re more interested in fighting rather than actuall football debate.

    #1536142
    the specialone
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    romford pele – And that’s the problem, there are people who do believe we will easily make top four,some even believe that we are a player away from being genuine title challengers.
    I can understand people being optimistic, but I’d love to know where the get so much hope from when every single season this club has only disappointed us especially on the title front.

    #1536212
    Al The Gooner
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    Ray, thing is that we’ve got top four, so many times, for no other reason than at least two or three of the rest of the top six screwing up.

    Under Wenger, we aren’t among the four best English sides and our rightful place is probably 6th, but Wenger has to be one of the most charmed managers in the history of English football. If the Manchesters, ‘Pool, Chelski and the Scum all have good seasons, 6th is the absolute best we can hope for, but that’s without factoring in things like dodgy lasagne……

    #1536219

    fatmop
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    We are much improved this season. We have not lost any of our best players, we have added a world class striker and a quality left back. Wilshire is back and looking hungry, Welbeck was out the majority of last season and has started really well (let’s hope he is back soon) and with these improvements we do not have the champions league, which as Chelsea showed last year can make a big difference.

    We effectively have two first teams the squad is that big. So do we have any chance of getting top four? I’d say it’s guaranteed! And, when we do there will be some that think we’ve done well and others will see it as the others screwed up! We can’t all win.

    #1536263
    AndyC
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    TSO – if you think having a post on the yoursayof theday is an achievement on your posts then you are more deluded than anyone could ever have thought before. shooting a thousand bullets and hitting a target once does not mean you are a good shot.
    Also I know 5 year old Arsenal fans in my sons class that talk more sense than you.

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