FSG need to sell ASAP

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  • #754616

    Mikus
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    Nil, I think you’re right on your assessment of FSG.

    Taxi, Improving our scouting is undoubtedly a must. I am particularly critical of the modern way of scouting that seems to put an increasing emphasis on stats. Also, over past decades we seem to get blinkered by aspects of players games, dismissing their weaknesses, only for them to come back & bite us. Part of this may be explained by us shopping more in the economy section. Either way, we need much better judgement. I know people will say all transfers are a risk, and of course there’s truth in that. But just because many other clubs have a mixed record it doesn’t mean we should just accept that’s where the bar is. We should set our own.

    #754625

    NotoriousBingo
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    Its not the scouting department, its the transfer policy, buying young and selling those that make the crop. Thats what is killing the team, I can see it made sense when we had outstanding debt but now that that is gone, I feel a change is needed to reach the next level.

    #754637

    SensibleS7
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    Sanj 8:55 onwards on this one: the famous “who are you pushing, who are you pushing”?!

    I think this particular outfit has more backbone than our current first team at the mo!

    Cheers

    #754646

    SensibleS7
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    Mikus, very crucial in the point of statistics.

    It’s subjective because different players pick up differently in development;

    Sadly for me on another point, we have SATS driven at an early age in school which for me is unfair and subjective because again, different kids have different learning pattens and not everyone picks things up straight away.

    Ultimately, back to scouting, that’s not how it should be measured for me.

    Cheers

    #754649

    SensibleS7
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    Bingo, yes and no.

    Adding to that, if we’re on here daily criticising a whole batch of players, even after changing a Manager, then that is a new question mark altogether.

    Are these guys looked after and coached properly for example?

    #754661

    Mikus
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    I think FSG would buy any age player if the price/wage demands were right, and what with Klopp working on a very low net spend at Dortmund, we perhaps shouldn’t despair too much. But we need to match the conditions at Dortmund so the scouting needs to improve and the strategy & team needs to become more united.

    For FSG it’s a question of trust and risk. They would rather play the safer strategy of signing younger lower wage players. But with Klopp now at the helm, will they begin to throw some of that caution to the wind if he identifies a more expensive, older player when we haven’t sold a big player? I agree they ideally need to start doing that at some point, otherwise the pressure really will be on Klopp to be the miracle man he was at his previous club.

    It’s ultimately about maximising our options under a united & trusted strategy.

    #754664
    Sanj1
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    Nigel Clough’s finest hour 🙂 What a cross from Stig & header from Ruddock. There’s Dicks having the game of his life too. Remember it well & I really thought we would kick on under Souey after that, but it just didn’t happen. Apparently Cantona said he would like a move to Liverpool when Howard Wilkinson said his days at Leeds were up, but our problems with signing the key players go back a long way. Cheers 🙂

    #754691
    gabara
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    I remember there were a few consortium trying to buy Liverpool at that time. If FSG didn’t want to buy Liverpool, Peter Lim or other consortium would have, for that bargain price.

    #754697
    Sanj1
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    Gabara, I think Purslow was in favour of the Peter Lim or the other describing the Fenway bid as a “bottom of the barrel” we may never know who else was in for the club. I still think we could have done worse than Fenway as they do listen to the supporters & other owners may not. Cheers

    #754823

    Sean the sailor
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    i dont think saurezteeth is on a wind up. He just gets a bit pi**ed off when we lose and looks for someone to blame. Its unerstandable FSG are the least of our problems. money has been spent. As fulcrum pointed out. Benteke, lalanna, milner etc all performed well at their previous clubs but when they come here , they go backwards. Its happenend with so many players over the years. Ive no idea why

    Taxi and ginger and otehrs are spot on. Id rather win with owners like FSG. This season has proven its not all about money. Look at the money city have spent. Utd have spent. The league was there for anyone. Never mind just 4th spot

    #755669
    suarezsteeth
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    Sean the sailor Correct mate,this post wasn’t a wind up at all. I’m just sick of the way things are going at the club. I’m fed up about FSG’s policies. I’m fed up that we sign decent players,and they turn to shit when they get here. I’m fed up that the players are getting paid very good money every week,and not doing their bit on the pitch. We’re no longer the Liverpool we were,and it depresses,upsets,and angers me. We’re becoming a feeder club for the likes of Man City,Barcelona etc and it’s just hard to stomach

    #755816
    taxidriverlfc
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    ST, If Players turn to Shit after signing for Us then that’s not the owners fault, That surely has to be down to Coaches and their Methods, Hopefully under Jurgen it will change, Agree that they are on stupid Money and are not performing to an expected level but I have faith in the Owners and Jurgen to get it right.

    #755840

    Sean the sailor
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    ST, i feel your pain. Same old story time and time again

    #756125
    Spodge
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    Suarezteeth, I understand your frustration, but blaming the current owners is just plain DAFT and not really backed up by facts. The owners have given the managers/committee money.The fact that there is a strong argument to suggest that not all of the money has been spent well is valid, but these owners cant be solely btrol until the present,do you think we would have been able to recruit him ahead of Chelsea/Manu or City? Recruiting Klopp was a smart move but will not change things immediately.You only have to google ‘liverpool ground improvements’ to see the massive improvement underway there.

    #756497
    gabara
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    Have FSG given the manager money to spend? Can someone do a math on how much values we have sold against how much we have spent, not to forget the saving in salaries from those top players sold? Everton have been linked with a takeover worth £200m and Crystal Palace have sold a 36% stake. These clubs may get more funds to invest. If we are not careful, we will fall behind.

    #756731

    kopite
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    Why don’t you do the math and tell us.

    #756734

    Mikus
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    Gabara, it’s a fair point. They won’t speculate to accumulate, particularly from a position of strength. One can sympathise with that from a perspective of not wanting to put the club at any financial risk, but as I say, it then puts more pressure on a manager like Klopp and the scouting team to unearth gems. We can get better at scouting certainly, but until we start building on what we have, I fear we will always be consolidating 2nd place. Also the premier league is a different kettle of fish to the Bundesliga in terms of physicality, competition and winter breaks.

    To be fair to Rodgers he had the politics of a committee to overcome, as well as the refusal by FSG to build from a position of strength, like with Willian, Mkhitaryan, etc. (I know CL was a factor at the time with these players but we never really made a concerted effort to sign them. What was our strategy? Get Stevie to text them. Even he admitted the embarrassment of it).

    #756845

    SensibleS7
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    Need a proper summer window to be fair folks.

    Get all the loans sorted out one way or another and raise funds.

    I’m sure in time, Klopp will have money to spend

    And to be fair, on the subject of FSG, albeit Hodgson, every Manager so far has been given money to spend.

    #756872
    suarezsteeth
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    Mikus And why did they get Gerrard to text them? Because Rodgers knew he had no pulling power. It was a cringeworthy moment to say the least. You’re right,we finished 2nd,and then went backwards the following season. It’s like we were teased with the carrot of the league title, and then had it taken away from us twice,once by Man City, the 2nd time by FSG with their actions in the transfer market (“we’ve sold Suarez,and made a massive profit,who shall we buy now? I know,let’s go for Balotelli, no one else wants him. Rickie Lambert? £4m? Yeah,definitely go for him,he’s cheap,and that’s how we like to do business”). I just want owners who genuinely want us to be successful again,rather than people who just see us as a money making opportunity. Maybe that’s a naïve view,but if it is,so be it. David Moores made the biggest mistake of his life selling to Hicks and Gillett. How do you think he feels about the way FSG are running the club? I doubt he’s very happy. In fact,he’s probably devastated. He sold Liverpool because we needed someone to take us to the next level. Did H&G do that? No,they very nearly sank the football club. Are FSG doing that? No. We are a midtable side,who let’s be honest,look nothing special as a team,and are struggling to do the basic things right,like score goals,or even pass to a red shirt. FSG have lowered the expectations of the fans by their actions,and all this PR bullshit that comes out of the club. We as fans have basically accepted that we can’t win the league,even compete for it,we probably won’t make top 4,and probably won’t get the players we want. It’s time we all said “enough is enough,we shouldn’t accept that we have turned into a midtable team,we should be aiming higher”. We are stagnating under these owners. That is not my opinion,that is a fact. Look at the league table

    #756989
    The Fulcrum
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    A team is greater than its parts.
    I guarantee that if we signed Vardy the goals would dry up and he’d start to look distinctly average. Leicester should do all they can to keep that team together and push for the title because come the transfer Windows the vultures will be out to strip them and any amount of money won’t replace that team spirit.
    That’s our main problem, we’ve lost our driving force. Gerard gave us it, Suarez had it in abundance.
    What’s the difference between a £500,000 player and a £50m player? Mentally. And little else. We saw a brief glimpse of what that belief can do with the haze of optimism Klopp carried to anfield.
    Our players are than they look but even if they believe in themselves they don’t believe in the team.
    Yes we need some new additions to the team. A goalkeeper who can defend corners, a CB with some intelligence and some width wouldn’t hurt. But above all else we need to win a cup. Any cup. Instill some belief.

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