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    Paxman
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    Davinci – To be fair to Coutinho and Firmino although they do lack physicality they are not knocked off the ball easily, similar to Suarez they seem to be able to retain the ball against much more physical players. By the way I am not trying to compare these two with Suarez, quality wise.

    #881002
    Red Herring
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    Suspect tomorrow is a game that, at best, will put us through the emotional mangle again. I know it’s stating the obvious, but 0::0 first leg results are really not great with the away goal ruling. The longer the game goes on at 0::0, or even 1:0 to us, then we are always a slip/mistake/fluke goal/bad ref decision/set-piece away from being eliminated. With our defensive frailties, there is no comfort to be taken from a 1::0 lead and we must go all out to get a 2 goal cushion. However, even in taking the positive attitude that we do go 1 goal up, the doubts creep into the players’ minds about “stick or twist” and I just hope that Klopp has a strategy to manage this potential scenario.

    #881008
    Davinci
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    Paxman, you must be watching a different game to me. Coutinho, especially, infuriates me at times. If you watch other talented small players, like Silva for example, they usually play putting themselves between ball and opposing player. If the opposing player goes for the ball, they have to go through the player, conceding a free-kick etc. Coutinho plays with the ball between him and the player, with the idea being that he has quicker feet. Sometimes this works but most times the player just becomes a bit more physical and takes the ball off him.

    If Coutinho had pace, it wouldn’t be so bad, but he doesn’t, so he can’t just push the ball past the player and leave him for dead.

    Suarez was/is a different animal. He’s very strong and very aggressive – qualities that neither Lallana, Coutinho or Firmino have – or will ever develop…Peace

    #881110

    Paxman
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    Davinci – I have seen Coutinho win free kicks in and around the area by putting himself between the player and the ball, it just depends on the situation whether he does that or goes to try and go past a player, as a footballer you can’t do the same thing every time otherwise opposition players know what you are going to do and stop you, but I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

    #881692
    mwake
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    Apologies if anybody has already seen this on Football365 today made me laugh!

    Club fans as individuals
    Citeh:
    Slightly bewildered at what has gone on over the last 10 years. Likely to claim Bell or Kinky as the best ever player despite Sergio, Big Dave, Vinny and Yaya. Does a secret fist pump at 40 points every year. Loves the fact the United are struggling, but won’t say too much in case it goes pear shaped. Most other fans don’t begrudge City fan his time in the sun.

    United:
    After being the most passionate fan of all time, has suddenly lost interest in football. Claims it’s because of other teams buying the league which is disgusting. “United have never done that, they’ve done it the Busby way, and it grinds my gears”. Is likely to say ‘grinds my gears’ instead of ‘gets on my tits’, which is very annoying. Other fans find the current state of affairs hilarious.

    Liverpool:
    After years of really struggling with failure, Liverpool fan has now embraced it totally. It will really mess things up if they beat City on Sunday in the CC final, he was just beginning to enjoy himself. Loves sticking it to the man and taking on the establishment (see the 96, the £77, and Statler and Waldorf). Other fans applaud this.

    Everton:
    Generally likable and affable The Everton fan is a knowledgeable and interesting bloke. Only loses his rag when talking about “the red sh*te”. More likely to use a soundbite from Storey than Shearer. Other fans marvel at this. Shares his red brethren’s passion for a scrap with the powers that be. Is called a Bluenose by Liverpool fan, and doesn’t mind. Which is endearing to the rest of us.

    Arsenal:
    Smug and entitled, Arsenal fan is usually unhappy about something. Other fans are glad about this, because otherwise they would be insufferable. They claim they play the best football in the Prem but still they moan. Citeh and Chelsea are Jonny come latelys, and anyway everyone knows Arse’s rivalries with Spurs and United are the biggest in world football.Other fans think they are t*ssers.

    Spurs:
    Spurs fan is currently wandering around with a massive grin on his face and rubbing his eyes. This year might finally be the year! The year that they can put the whole Saint Totteringhams day to bed. Other fans think they are deluded.

    Leicester:
    Leicester fan feels he is in some drug addled dream, or a parallel universe. He doesn’t really know what the hell is going on but he’s absolutely loving every minute. Other fans pat them on the head patronisingly.

    Chelsea:
    Chelsea fan is a d*ck. Every other fan thinks so.
    Apologies that there are only 8 so far (got to go to work now). Any other people out there with other viewpoints? *folds arms and leans against wall expectantly*
    Michael (Catty till I die) Catlow

    #882640

    Songman
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    Davinci, Firmino is a different player to Suarez, sure he is not as strong or aggressive as him but how many players are? As long as Firmino keeps coming up with the goals and assists, that is what we need from him at Liverpool. And we certainly need that in the next few days.

    I have said it before, when Sturridge, Firmino andn Coutinho get used to playing together and get a run going, they will be on fire.

    As Teixeira, while promising just seems to be missing that X factor (goals, assists, through balls etc) that Coutinho has. It is not a surprise that no Premiership clubs so far have shown an interest in him, although this may change in future. And while Coutinho can be inconsistent,especially this season, on his day he has delivered the goods against big teams like Man City and Chelsea.

    Ojo, I have to agree is very promising with strength, pace and goals, especially as he is only 18, and is quite a prolific goalscorer for a winger

    #882667

    Songman
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    Regarding Ibe, Sterling has always been a better player than him. And despite what you may think of Sterling, overall he is one of the best young players in the Premeirship.

    However Ibe this season has suffred a dip in form. This is not surprising in young players either, so of course he needs time to develop. He is also playing less, so does not get a chance to build up form.

    I can see his best form coming in a few seasons time

    #882844

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    Songman – I totally agree about the three of them having a run together, I think the inconsistency that Coutinho has suffered he been due to a combination of his own injury and also playing with different people each week.

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    Davinci
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    Songman, I think that all Teixeira is missing is premier league experience. To me, he seems a more likely goal scorer than Coutinho, he just doesn’t get the opportunity. In terms of vision, touch and technique, they are equally matched. Teixeira is a bigger player and his height would be advantageous over Couti as well. Neither are blessed with pace, so pretty even there.

    As for Firmino, my default position is that players really need a season to be fairly judged. So far, he’s a Couti MK II. He’s good at what Couti’s good at and poor at what he’s poor at too. Scores some sublime goals but lacks consistency and often goes missing in games.

    Lallana is a waste of space and the person I suspect who’s responsible for the crop-circle phenomena. He just goes round and round in circles. I once read him described as a FIFA 16 player who does skill-moves for no reason. It’s like he’s contracted to do his semi-Cruff turn each and every time he receives the ball, whether warranted or not. Rivalling Allen in the irrelevancy stakes, how we parted with £25m for him is scandalous.

    As for Ibe, I think he can be just as good as Sterling, if not better. When Sterling burst onto the scene we had little offensive prowess. Even Suarez was misfiring those days, so he became much relied upon and played lots of games gaining invaluable experience. Time will tell with him.

    For me, Ojo has everything that Sterling/Ibe have PLUS the desire AND ability to score goals. I think, right now he should be playing on our left side with one of Couti/Firmino playing central behind the striker…

    In an odd way, the future actually looks brighter than the present…Peace

    #882970

    Paxman
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    Davinci – I think you will just have to except you are the only one that thinks Teixeira is better than Coutinho, there is talk of him possibly going to a Championship club, when there has been talk of Barcalona being in for Coutinho, do you know something that nobody else in world football knows.

    #883012
    Davinci
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    Paxman, maybe so. I’m not totally unknown for having minority views on here :o). As for the ‘talk’, I’ve heard that too. Sometimes that’s how things go. We were all excited about the other Teixeira joining us recently, yet now he’s in China. Does that mean he actually wasn’t any good? Or is that just the way the cookie crumbles sometimes?….Similarly, I can’t see Coutinho being a hit in Barca. He’s an above average player and definitely our 2nd best, behind Sturridge, but he’s not good enough to hold down a 1st team place at Barca. I’d say Fabregas is a better player that Coutinho and not even he could hold down a first team place there…Peace

    #883015

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    Davinci, Teixeira is a good player but nothing special, yes he has all these attributes you mention, but he is missing something special otherwise he would have broken into the first team by now, in my opinion. Managers can tell quite quickly how good a player is, and so far Klopp has not even started him in a Premiership game. Don’t think Rodgers did either.

    I am not saying that Teixeira will not eventually becaome a top player (although maybe not at Liverpool), but right now he is not at the level of Coutinho.

    Firmino, I agree needs to be properly judged after at least one season, and the signs look good so far.

    Ibe, I just have the feeling he will never be as good as Sterling, but you never know.

    And lastly Ojo, very promising, and I would like to see him given some substitute appearances in the Premiership to slowly introduce him to the first team

    #883060

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    How does going to China with what is going on there, mean you are not any good, they are a financial super power and throwing money at their league to get some of the worlds best players. It is not a retirement league like the MLS, he went there for 50M Euro.

    How much do you think our Tiexeira will go to a championship club for?

    #883111
    nocturnal_red
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    did anyone see John Henry’s comments on the Red Sox, he speaks about an over reliance on numbers and hints at failure in getting in the right players for them, if they are rethinking the moneyball approach could be a good thing for us

    #883219
    Red Dragon44
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    I agree about Coutinho, tries the same tricks all the time and to me is what I call a one trick pony and is a bit lazy. Thought Ibe would progress but has gone backwards. Henderson is trying to be Roy of the Rovers and do everything he annoys me especially when he goes back into our half and demands the ball from the player in possession gets it the plays it straight back to him. We need that special playmaker in midfield but we have not got one.

    #883306
    Davinci
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    Paxman, the point I’m trying to make to you is that ‘talk’ of a player going here or there is just that; ‘talk’. Players end up in all kinds of situations for a variety of reasons. To me, Lallana is a championship player who’s smuggled his way into the Premiership via Southampton. Vardy looks like a top player that was trapped in the lower leagues. These things happen…

    As for China, maybe it will, maybe it won’t be a major player league-wise. Fact is, it isn’t right now. And Teixeira moving there right now has all but ruined his chances of playing for Brazil but has fattened his bank balance no end.

    Songman, I agree that (our) Teixeira isn’t anything special but I don’t think Coutinho is either. Difference is that Coutinho has had the opportunity on the big stage to prove otherwise, Teixeira hasn’t (and possibly never will)…Peace

    #883420

    Paxman
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    Davinci – Coutinho by his own standards hasn’t had his best of seasons. The teams that are looking at these players and the fees being banned about are usually a very good indication of what the football world thinks of them, and talk of us letting Tiexiera go has alerted Championship club, and last summer Barcelona were considering a 50M bid for Coutinho. If you think these two fact have no bearing on the respective qualities of the said player then you are living in cloud cuckoo land.

    #883528

    NotoriousBingo
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    pax a fifty million player in todays market is what a 5 million player would have cost when we bought Stan Collymore for 8.5 million.

    This is also Coutinho’s best season for us. He has been scoring goals more consistently, he has been adding assists more consistently.

    #883603
    Red Herring
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    NB: So hang on, by applying some mathematical proportionality, that makes Stan worth 85 million which means he’s the world’s most (equal) expensive player ever. I’m sure he’d agree – but not many others would.

    #883651

    NotoriousBingo
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    yes and a few years later Alan Shearer goes for 15 million a world record, that would be about 150 million in todays market.

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