General Newcastle talk

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  • #903751

    ickle23
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    Vodka you bet get some spare pants then! as i don’t see it happening.

    i hope i am proved wrong though

    Beardsley anybody?

    #903949
    SuperJonas
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    Why do people even mention Pearson and such? The reason we are in this huge mess is our fantastic ability to go for the cheapest available option time and time again. How about to match our outlay on players for someone that actually can steer this ship? Dear god!

    #904024

    David B’s Toon
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    This is what happens when you put someone in charge who is unaccountable. Although, Graham made some good signings 2011-2012. Ashley has created a bubble, not listening to Sam Allardyce, who, OK, was not the fans’ favourite, but knows the game and then Keegan and Pardew. It has cost us dearly. Ashley Cut us off from the media — giving poor investment (even though, he has spent, this season) has crippled the club.

    There is no cohesion, a manager needs to make his mark. He knows his best players, where his deficiencies lie — what system he wants to play. A manager needs a plan B. He needs to know who can step in and change things. Even Alan himself came up with a plan and the man (Ashley) didn’t even turn up. Appointing the assistant instead. And how he galvanized the club, I don’t know? But look at the way Chris Hughton was treated, why was he sacked? Come to think of it, why was Allardyce sacked?

    It couldn’t be because Allardyce was unpopular with the fans because Ashley doesn’t mind the odd windup, does he? And — then. To treat Keegan the way that he did. More questions … why sack Allardyce? Because if you are going to create exciting football then money has to be spent. That was the point of Keegan, wasn’t it?

    Ashley is like a magician. You look at one excuse but it doesn’t add up to the next one. It’s too easy, to forget why we sacked Allardyce because we have an overwhelming answer. He’s hardly flavour of the month. But we should have gone back and asked serious questions and we don’t. If we’d have put the microscope under Ashley’s tenure he would never have got away with undermining our club!

    #904081

    David B’s Toon
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    Whoever comes in, it’ll not make a jot of difference unless we sort out the structure. Graham Carr should keep his job, as head scout, but should not be on the directors board. The Manager should have final say and funds to strengthen the club. He should also be able to choose his own players’ on the pitch and transfer players out who don’t make the grade. That should include players that don’t want to be here. And above all, Ashley should back his man and get rid of all non-essential personal. Lee Charnley and Bobby Moncur.

    #904177

    mac 1
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    Dave B 2.44 I agree with everything you say. A manager lives and dies by results so he should sign his own players, if then it doesn’t work, then it’s his fault. Carr has bought crap lately and he’s not been accountable for it. If I bought a new house every year for £12m and then got rid of it for half the price, I don’t think I would be called a success.

    #904198
    Toon_Toon_Toon
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    SuperJonas – we’re really not in a position to be looking for someone to ‘steer the ship’. We need someone who will keep the club in the league and if that means destroying whatever morale is left in the dressing room or dropping players and upsetting players then so be it. We don’t need a grand plan right now, we need 5/6 wins from 10 games. Don’t matter how they come.

    Moyes is now 6/4 for the job and the McClown has 1/7 to go. I hope the bookies are right again.

    #904300
    mavientes
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    Just thought I’d pop back to see whats happening on this site, I see it’s still the same old vodka magpie show. Never changes his tune.

    Anyway, people talking of Pearson, behave, he was sh#te for us and look what happened to Leicester when they got rid of the ostrich bashing egotistical car crash, currently league leaders, and yet people said what a mistake they were making getting rid of one of the better English managers in the league.

    Talking of English managers, bet those who after 10 games who were calling for Pardew to be England manager (expert pundits included) have either silently crawled under their rocks or are making a bolt hole for the ‘oops whata mistak tha maka door’ (not you by the way Joe, this is not in reference to you, I still owe you that pint). The only ‘joy’ I’m getting at the minute is being proved right about the usual 2nd half of season collapse Pardew ALWAYS has after his first season. Next season Palace will be in the state we are when he again refuses to take the blame and blames everything else but himself (remember by the way folks, he’s brought in HIS players now and still can’t last a full season). And when I say ‘joy’ believe me I don’t mean joy, this is a miserable state of affairs. But at least I can say I was right about one thing ey vodka. We’ll never get to find out if half of all the money spent would have made a difference if we brought in a few central defenders to stop us leaking 3 goals a game and hence giving the strikers a bit of a break and less pressure eh.

    Looking forward to trips to Leeds and Derby next season guys.

    #904453

    David B’s Toon
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    Mavientes, hold my hand up there mate. Not looking too good for us so-called Pardew lovers. Still rate him, but he can’t seem to finish a season.

    There are some that’ll take an argument to the nth degree, remember Martinewcsatle? I’m licked on that point of view mate. I’m sure Pardew himself would agree with you there. Something he needs to work on.

    Vodka does seem to get a lot of replies, just saying.

    #904576
    Joe Kinghere
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    Mav – welcome back..
    Pardew though has had a decent cup run – which is more than can be said for us.
    I’ll forego the wager as I’m sick to death of the club as it is currently run and don’t see any way other than down.

    #904630
    Joe Kinghere
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    PS- Mav – I was never a “Pardew love”r so don’t take any offence at your comments. I merely said that by getting rid of Pardew , I could not see us getting anyone better coming in at that juncture – and we didn’t – big time. I wish I was proved wrong though as several seasons in the lower leagues just don’t appeal!

    #904768
    Toon_Toon_Toon
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    Apparently Charnley, Carr and Moncur we’re all seen in York today for a meeting but no news on McClown being sacked yet. It needs to be done now. Moyes needs as much time as possible to try save this season.

    #904831

    vodkamagpie
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    Well done mavii, the only time you got something right about football, and it has absolutely nothing to do with Newcastle, well done mate, I’m so glad you popped in.

    #905488

    David B’s Toon
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    Ashley has only brought in managers on low wages who are desperate enough to go along with the club’s aims which is to bring in as much cash as possible with the lowest amount of outlay. Maximizing profits and Allardyce’s sacking was just a soundbite. Because Ashley has done nothing to back up his statement of intent! In fact the only ‘his manager[s]’ he has ever brought in is Keegan and Pardew and they both walked. Both of them only took on the job because they were desperate to earn some cash. KK with his legal case ‘Soccer Circus’ and Pardew over his gambling debt.

    Therefore, if McClaren is sacked he’ll be only the second manager after Sam Allardyce? Kinnear, heart attack. Shearer was ‘caretaker’ whilst Kinnear was in the hospital. Houghton ‘caretaker’. Carver ‘caretaker’. Ashley has NEVER gotten over having to pay Sam 6 million compensation for the sacking (and then 2 to KK) and that is why he hasn’t done it again.

    Pardew, Ashley’s patsy. Replaced Houghton who got us out the Championship with a record number of points tally. Whereas Pardew got Charlton relegated and was sacked – and sacked again by his next Championship club (Southampton). Fast forward and here is McClaren, sacked by Derby but chased by NUFC (for 6 months!) despite turning the job down 3 times.

    Wall to wall (and roof) advertising given to the shareholders of Sports Direct for free as well as the Clubs merchandising operation. The only piece of land remaining for ground expansion, he is developing for himself into student flats etc. The man is a blood sucking parasite who knows as much about football as he does about dieting. Cares about both to the same degree too (zero!).

    #905533

    enter_tooner1
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    I’m as much concerned about the turn of events at our beloved club as is everyone. But we must put things back into perspective. Carr’s transfer policy worked well, he had instruction and delivered every season. The football played by McClaren is better than what we were served under Pardew. But unfortunately, it didn’t have any impact on our points per game ratio. I was very happy when I looked at the back room staff McClaren brought with him, and I’m still baffled how they failed to produce more points per game. We invested heavily in British players. Panic buys? Eagerness to stay in the premiership to rake more T.V. money? But most importantly, a will to bring young British talents with character. The position we’re in – no defence for McClaren, he should have been fired after the Bournemouth match. But the board still haven’t, it means he will get to lead us against Leicester. I think the points are more important than the man who sits in the dugout. Let’s do our bit, and hope others will do theirs.

    #905596

    vodkamagpie
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    I still think it’s possible that we going to end up with Rafael benitez. Ashley has tried every type of manager out there, cheap options kinnear, hughton, shearer, average pay managers, pardew, mcclaren. The only one he hasn’t tried, is a top draw class winning manager, which benitez is. If Ashley is willing to change his policy on buying English players which are over priced, surely he is willing to pay for an expert manager to keep us in the league, and even to challenge next season for top four. If the money keeps flowing in, I don’t see any reason why a top class manager can’t achieve success at Newcastle.

    #905698

    David B’s Toon
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    enter_tooner1, totally agree with you mate. Take away the politics, which makes unpleasant reading, and in the long-term we could do quite well? Chances are, were going down anyway and there’s nothing we can do about Ashley’s intentions! He either stays or goes? And we either pay the price that’s on the ticket or we don’t.

    Like the players we’ve brought in, question is, can we keep them? Who stays who goes? We can’t blame Carr for poor decisions when the club has poor intentions. It’s up to the board to persuade Ashley there’s more profit in success and that it’s less of a gamble than he thinks it is. In fact our view has shown us — it is even more risky to hedge your bets than trying to make a success of things, but we don’t, or ever will make the ultimate decisions.

    If only we had sorted out our defence then things would be a lot rosier. I wouldn’t be going over old ground, that’s for sure. Of course, those problems will always remain in the background and which club doesn’t have its problem’s? “Those damn American’s” those ‘scousers’ would have us believe, as they no longer rule our country. That’s not to say they never will or that they (‘scousers’) are wrong. I’ve read that the board never saw eye to eye with Bill Shankly, so Liverpool was where we are now, but that never made a blind bit of difference — they still dominated the league and brought home European success.

    The long-term strategy would be to keep McClaren and give him support to get us out of this mess, with financial rewards. Everything I said above sill counts and will remain, no matter what happens. Carr was successful because he worked well with what he was given! But granted, he can’t always and has to be given the benefit. However, with so much money and he didn’t strengthen our weakened areas — this cannot be overlooked. Answers need to be given there and so far, MacClaren’s job is on the line.

    #905962
    Toon_Toon_Toon
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    Paddy Power have stopped taking bets on Moyes now.

    #906001
    Joe Kinghere
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    Apparently one raeson the ManUre players instantly disliked him (Moyes) was that one of the first things he did was ban chips from the players’ menus. Seriously.

    #906034
    Toon_Toon_Toon
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    I hope he comes in and breaks them all. I sincerely hope they hate playing for him. Tired of seeing players think they can pick up hundreds of thousands for doing nothing.

    #906040

    vodkamagpie
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    That would of been a serious problem back in the days when bramble was around, “no chips, then no defend”. Hey mavii, what do palace fans think of moyes being favourite to take over at Newcastle

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