Great response from Jose and after Scholes comments

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    yorkshireman200
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    Certainly not as stupid or girlie as you tma. Now what over the top comments are you referring to in your continuous waffling?

    #1577710

    Legendaryangiggs
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    Scholes was spot on and as a pundit is required to give an honest assement of the football on sight. What was he suppose to do lie? Pogba has been poor ever since he came back from suspension and we all know it. SAF used criticism from experts as a catalyst to make his players perform better, Jose should do the same instead of getting mixed up in a war of words against a legend that is ten times the player and man that he is. And to bring up money is just an insult and just shows where Mourinho is at in terms of class. Thank god Mourinho wasn’t the manager when Scholes was coming through or we’d never have had the privilige to call Scholes a legend of ours.
    Scholes was an artist and never played for the money, shame on Mourinho for tainting Scholes’ legacy.

    #1577713
    Wonderfuel Gas
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    Never played for money…maybe he’s playing catch up now then as rent a mouth? As I’ve said, am new to BT Sport but if he gave his mate Wazza an easy ride in his last season or so then Scholes is open to a charge of hypocrisy.

    Regardless of what Mourinho said, I haven’t found Scholes a competent or insightful pundit the few times I’ve seen him. If he’s happy to dish it out, he should be big enough to take Mourinho’s jibes in return.

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    theMartial Art
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    @yorkshireman200 – Comments like ‘Pogba is just strolling through games’. How many times Scholes was strolling through games in his career. A United manager calling out one of the Class of ’92 was overdue. Scholes punditry career has taken a massive hit.

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    N1xer
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    Scholes was 100% right to call the team and manager out. He was clearly as baffled and bemused by what the team was offering up as the rest of the fans. The thing is, Mourinho has every right to come back at him. Or even better, say nothing and get his number and call him directly have it out man to man. But my issue is how he chooses to do it. All this bollix about condescendingly dismissing it as jealously or Scholes chasing a pound note is just bang out of order in my book. Never mind him massaging his own ego by reminding us all how many trophies he has one. My biggest gripe with Mourinho is how he reacts to criticism. He gets petulant, childish and down right spiteful. All of which just creates a negative vibe around the club and feeds the media frenzy. I’m all for using negative media coverage to build a siege mentality and fire the players up. Under Mourinho it just seems to have the opposite effect.

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    Legendaryangiggs
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    Scholes was never about the money the attention, not like this lot. So Scholes didn’t slate his close mates when he had the chance, just proves he is human after all. If he can’t call out our most expensive player EVER and on many occassions our captain our supposed leader, who can you call out? I agree he should now give him praise for the permance against Everton but he was right to call him out and I believe it fuelled Pogba to give the performance he did.
    And Scholes is not the one who should rise above the jibes it is Mourinho who is the manager and should be above such tings. Let the football do the talking and you’ll soon enough shut eveyone up.

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    TMA, I believe Scholes said he looked like he was strolling through the match and I thought he was spot on with his opinion. Anyway, hardly an over the top comment as you put it. As for “Scholes punditry career has taken a massive hit” that’s simply your opinion not mine or many others I suspect and I’ve no doubt his viewing figures will go up rather than down after this.

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    hatters
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    I said it a long time ago during Moyes’ reign and I’ll repeat it again. Former players like the Nevilles, Scholes, and Giggs should shut up because they have influence as former players and yet they are completely clueless in managerial terms. Gary Neville was a disaster of a manager while Giggs was quite obviously an Iago figure during van Gaal’s term. Scholes was a magnificent player but he should shut up now, he has no place judging Pogba, Mourinho, or anyone else’s performance. I look at the former players from clubs like Real Madrid and Barcelona and they stay silent unless they have good things to say.

    @legendaryryangiggs. You are even more clueless than Phil Neville spouting rubbish like you have right there. It’s fair enough that Mourinho isn’t the most classy Iberian out there but he’s certainly one of the classiest football managers in the business. It’s clowns like you who will chase him out and condemn this club to perpetual mediocrity because you don’t like his personality. Being fit for purpose is much more important than being a nice guy.

    #1577757

    Legendaryangiggs
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    Why should you have to have been a successful manager before you can have an opinion? How many successful managers are out there? Do you really want to fill the studios with 80 and 90 year olds. Former players have been part of the football envirement and have an insight that we don’t, it doesn’t matter if they are good managers or not they don’t have to be to give an opinion.
    I hope Mourinho will be a succes at United I really do, but I don’t like the way he goes about it. I really do wish he had a bit more class. And no I don’t think he is one of the classiest manager out there, at times he shows a hint of class but not enough for my liking.

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    @theMartialArt – I think a succesful senior player who was a model professional on and off the pitch is more than qualified to comment on the performance & contribution of players. Isn’t that what we all hope a captain would do and what Keano did.

    If the topic were team selection or tactics then you could have a point. But nobody here seems to be saying Scholes was wrong in what he said, the gripe is he shouldn’t be critical or should have been critical of his mates as well.

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    MacGuffin
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    @hatters – If players like Scholes, Neville, Giggs are “completely clueless” when it comes to evaluating a player performance do you think its a mistake to have Butt as director of the academy – a job where he is teaching prospects how to perform to United standards?

    At the end of the day its the viewers who decide if a pundit talks crap or not. If viewers do not put any value on a pundits opinion he’ll get fired sooner rather than later.

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    N1xer
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    @hatters its a big statement to say Mourinho is one of the classiest managers out there. I wouldn’t say his football is that classy in fairness and the less said about his rap sheet of ‘misdemeanours’ during his career the better!

    I’m all for him getting at least another summer transfer window but to think he is the only option and the saviour of Manchester United is stretching it to say the least. The famous old saying that you are only as good as your last game should apply to everyone.

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    theMartial Art
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    @yorkshireman200 – “He is just strolling through games,” is what Scholes said and it was an over the top comment. Pogba is not just strolling through games. De Bruyne 6 goal and 8 assist… Hazard 5 goal and 2 assist… Countinho 6 goal and 4 assist… Alli 3 goal and 3 assist… Eriksen 5 goal 4 assist… Ozil 3 goal and 5 assist… Sanchez 4 goal and 3 assist… Pogba as a CDM has 3 goal and 7 assist and he only played 9 matches the rest played around 16 matches each….. As Mourinho said, sometimes Pogba plays very well, sometimes he plays well and sometimes he doesn’t play well. This was also the case with Scholes Utd career in a much better squad/team.

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    @n1xer. Mourinho’s CV speaks for itself. He’s won everything everywhere, for me that means he’s certainly one of the classiest managers around – I would go as far as saying he’s one of the classiest managers to live. His misdemeanors are obviously part of his pitfalls.

    @macguffin. There is a difference between being a pundit, sitting in a studio and passing judgements as opposed to what Nicky Butt is doing (ie getting stuck in and making yourself useful).

    @legendaryryangiggs. I don’t think anyone should have to be a successful manager in order to have an opinion but it goes without saying that a legendary player’s opinion on the telly carries more gravitas than others. The former players should be more measured with their opinions and should show some respect to the club as a whole. It’s fair enough that the class of 92 was a thing of beauty but they are tainting their legacy with their “holier than thou” attitudes.

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    theMartial Art
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    @macguffin – “I think they would like to be here, [managing] at the club. But that is not a problem I can solve”. That right there is the heart of the matter. Scholes was angling for Giggis to take over after undermining LvG and ensuring United failed under him. Then Giggs would appoint Scholes onto his coaching team. But United saw through it said no way we’d let club legends hire and fire coaches here. Then they summoned Mourinho, a confirmed winner and galactico manager who cannot be outplayed, stared down, outmanouvered, or intimidated by big players or club legends. Therein lies Scholes’ resentment towards Mourinho. He’s on record as saying he’s desperate to go into management. He doesnt want to manage Salford FC and show us he’s got what it takes. No. He wants to start big, and the only way that’d happen is if Giggs got the United job. But since it doesn’t seem that would happen, he must take a pop at the men who took the job he couldn’t get. He must criticize them at every opportunity. As Mourinho said, all Scholes done is criticize, criticize…..

    #1577792

    yorkshireman200
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    tma, isn’t it past your bedtime? Is that OTT enough for you?

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    Legendaryangiggs
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    @hatters I actually think he was very measured in his assessment, he could have been much more harsh on Pogba and the form we’re in. I simply don’t agree that our former players should be biased as pundits. I don’t like it when pundits do it for other teams and I don’t like it when they do it to our team. As MacGuffin says it is the viewers who decide if the pundit is out of order or not. And I don’t need our former players spouting propaganda on the telly about the state of our football club. I can tell when we play badly and when we are good, the only one confused about that seems to be Mourinho. And winning trophies doesn’t necessarily mean you have class, of that Mourinho is the perfect example.

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    Legendaryangiggs
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    TMA as conspiracy theories go that one is a doozy. So Scholes wants Mourinho out so badly because he wants to manage United and the only way he could do that is if Giggs became manager? Also this was a debate about Pogba and Scholes not Mourinho and Scholes. It was Mourinho himself who decided to get involved. And where does Nicky Butt fit into all this? He and Giggsy are best mates you know. Is he an undercover agent out to sabotage Mourinho from within? Maybe they need to sack Butt asap. Who knows what he is leaking out. If Scholes has an agenda against United and Mourinho he will get called out sooner or later. People will read through it but only when what he says, doesn’t harmonize with what is really going on on the football pitch.

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    hatters
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    @legendaryangiggs. It’s clear that we are not speaking of the same thing when using the word “class”. You are speaking of behaviour and manners, I am speaking of competency and skillset – in that department, Mourinho is unrivaled by all except Ancelotti and Guardiola.

    When you speak of bias from United’s former players I must say you are misplaced in your assertion that Scholes was “measured”. Fact is Scholes, Keane, and several others have been highly critical of Manchester United in their punditry for years, so much so that they are in fact bias in the opposite manner to the normal definition.

    Pogba’s form is perfectly fine, he needs more quality around him if the team is to succeed. The statistics for the team with and without Pogba speak for themselves. Let’s not forget that at 24, Pogba has several Scudettos to his name and is also the key player for France. If Scholes wants to pick on a player, Pogba is the wrong candidate.

    #1577852

    Legendaryangiggs
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    I agree we are talking about two different things. I think Mourinho is a good manager who wins trophies but, he is a very unsympathetic person which doesn’t do him any favors with the fans, the media, the refs basically anyone.
    About Pogbas’ form we disagree, after he came back from suspension he wasn’t that good, we’re talking 3 or 4 game here, and in those games we did poorly. Why “pick” on him? Because he is our star performer, our most expensive player, our Captain in some of the matches, and I believe Scholes tried to motivate him to be better. He was on about him before about keeping it simple and sticking to his strenghts and I agree completely, that Pogba was maybe trying too hard to live up to his prive tag doing fancy things and taking on players too much. Scholes has done the same thing to Jack Wilshere and Wilshere actually called Scholes up and asked how to improve his game. I don’t see Pogba doing that thou I wish he would.

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