Great response from Jose and after Scholes comments

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    happyhurling
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    If Pogba goes another 4 games without losing he’ll have gone the equivalent of a whole season without losing a premier league game – he’s currently undefeated in 34 games!
    Invincible?!

    #1577864

    Legendaryangiggs
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    About the bias thing I think there are a few factors. One is they have to be a little harsh on United, at first at least, so as to show that you can be unbiased. Another is that they were players during our most succesful period ever, which means their standards are a little higher than what we have witnessed in the last 6-7 years. As for Keano he just has it in for United but sometimes you just can’t argue against the fact that United should be better, they shouldn’t play for a draw against the other top sides and so on. I’m not buying into the TMA theory that there is a covert operation happening before our very eyes, where the class of 92 are trying to take control of Manchester United. when United start performing better and winning trophies again (the PL and CL) thats when Mourinho has proven them wrong, untill then I suggest he uses the criticism to motivate the players and not taking on battles that do no good but divide the fans. Again he is doing himself no favors.

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    Scholes was spot on and you girls dont have to twist your knickers.
    What you can ask yourself is why Pogba shined against Everton but stank the place out against Saints. Its because of our “classy” manager´s formation.
    Mourinho finally dropped the 4-2-3-1 formation and played Pogba in a 3 man midfield.
    It was not because of our “classy” manager´s brilliance,it was because of having both Zlatan and Lukaku injured.

    Lots of posters in here said months ago,play Pogba further up the pitch in a 3 man midfield. Thats the way he played in Juve. It took The Special One 18 months to try it because of avaiable strikers was injured. To me Mourinho can fuck off to Antarctic and be the king of penguins.
    The only special with him is he bring chaos around him. With his arrogance and spineless outcome for a human being i cant understand why he is not walking around with a boxers nose. I know Scholes would like to smash his nose and so do i.

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    MacGuffin
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    @hatters – So you think ex-players should never publicly criticise the club, manager or players because they have influence and it goes against the interests of the club. Scholes is contractually obliged to give his honest opinion. You are advocating he doesn’t do that if it involves United. That’s like expecting Rooney not to take shots at United goal.

    I argue that constructive criticism IS in the clubs best interest since it seeks to erradicate weaknesses. If Scholes helped get rid of LvG that was good. If he helps improve Pogba that’s good.

    Your attitude towards Scholes mirrors the attitude a faction on these pages have towards anybody expressing criticism. You don’t like it, you think they should not say it and you have a personal go at them eg calling legendaryryangiggs clueless and a clown.

    btw – I guess being civil to fellow posters wasn’t one of your New Year resolutions then?

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    MacGuffin
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    @theMartial Art – Hahah, so it’s all a conspiracy is it. If Scholes wanted Giggs to get the manager job he’d be better off not criticising LvG. The club plan was for LvG to rebuild the team then Giggs would take over. Firing LvG scuppered that plan and Giggs.

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    Alfie07
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    People are confusing criticism with constructive criticism.

    no-one minds constructive criticism, but if it’s negative comment after negative comment then it gets a bit boring and no wonder others will start to feel there is an agenda.

    Ironically, the idea that some players stroll through matches is not a negative to me; Berbatov did that, as did Carrick, Rio and a host of others – including Scholes when he was at his best. Scholes made it into a negative and did not offer any suggestion on what he would do differently.

    The class of 92 act as if they are still in the changing room – as do a lot of ex-players who are now pundits. Pulling up players for not doing there bit is best sorted out in the changing room for me, as everyone can have their say. TV pundits selecting players who are often the best player on the pitch for criticism after a poor team result doesn’t do much to improve results imo.

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    happyhurling
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    Alfie – agreed. But Mac is trying to use it to push his “nobody is allowed to make negative comments” agenda.

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    Alfie07
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    What’s new?!

    #1578002
    MacGuffin
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    @happyhurling – Care to explain the difference between constructive & negative criticism? Criticism is by definition pointing out faults ie something that needs to be addressed and improved.

    – Scholes criticised LvG, was he making negative or constructive comments?
    – You criticised Martial saying he’s acts like a pussy, is that negative or constructive ?
    – If somebody says “player ABC is not up to standard and the team would be better off replacing him” is that negative or constructive?

    In truth, the difference between negative and constructive is the end objective, is it to make the make matters ultimately better or worse. To build or destroy.

    In reality, you twist the English into something even simpler. If you, or people whose views you generally agree with, say it then it’s constructive. If said by anybody else then its not.

    As for it being negative after negative, that depends on the situation. If the situation doesn’t change neither will the comments. Its the bleedin obvious.

    @Alfie – Yes the “class of 92 act as if they are still in the changing room”. Thats what fans do. The only difference being they used to be there so do know what they are talking about.

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    Alfie07
    Ironically, the idea that some players stroll through matches is not a negative to me; Berbatov did that, as did Carrick, Rio and a host of others – including Scholes when he was at his best.

    I agree, but I would say that those players mentioned above were those types of players. I don’t think Scholes sees Pogba as that sort of player which is why he referred to wanting to see the “Juve Pogba”.

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    @Legendaryangiggs – Also this was a debate about Pogba and Scholes not Mourinho and Scholes

    Wrong. The debate is about Scholes and Mourinho. Jose you right on this one. All Paul Scholes do is to criticize players, especially Pogba. Paul Scholes, why not get off your lazy backside from the comfortable pundit chair and go manage a football team and let the entire world see what Paul Scholes can do. Scholes was never fit to lace Keanes boots and quit England when he didn’t like his position. Still a class though.
    Jose acknowledges his achievements as a player but tells him to button when it comes to managing. Fair call I say … And yeah I think the ex players would love to be at the club instead of doing terrible punditry. thats nailed on

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    theMartial Art
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    @macguffin – All Scholes does is criticize. Mourinho is merely protecting his current players. Fergie would probably say the same thing. There are only a few pundits worth listening to and they are on the BBC the best is Alan Shearer whose criticisms are unbiased, fair and informative. Overall there are better armchair pundits than Scholes and many other pundits so will stick to the BBC teams and MOTD, MOTD2 Football Focus etc.

    Scholes was never fit to lace Keanes boots and they rounded in him. But we see it time and again at United, they rounded on DeGea not so long ago, telling him where to go. Scholes and Co. don’t have the guts to criticize their former mates Carrick, Rooney, etc. Scholes slaughtered van gaal as well. And scholes was wondering why he got overlooked for the clubs U23 squad manager/coach last summer. I think here’s your answer Paul Ha Ha. To talk and criticize is easy, maybe your time will come Paul to do some managing? The Neville’s and Scholes should just disappear.

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    theMartial Art
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    @manthistle – The “Juve Pogba” had Pirlo and Vidal playing alongside him. There is a reason they were called holy trinity of midfielders. Did Scholes mention that in his criticism? Offcourse not.

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    MT – that’s the thing, what sort of player is Pogba, and does it really matter as long as he is playing well?

    Pogba played as part of a two man midfield – quite rare in the PL these days – and we tore teams apart at the start of the season. It wasn’t wrong then, so it’s really only the results being different now that has caused the fuss.

    Playing two in the middle allows us three attackers behind the striker, which can be devastating at times. Jose is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t because you can bet your last quid that Jose would be criticised for playing three midfielders if we didn’t win games by a cricket score.

    This season is the first time that one of Jose’s teams has averaged two goals a game in the PL, apparently – so Jose will see things differently.

    The Juve midfield gave Pogba more freedom – which is not a bad thing if we did the same – but it’s often horses for course and much for much at times.

    Let’s not forget that at times this season we’ve not always had three senior central midfielders to choose from for one reason or another either!

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    Alfie07
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    Mac – constructive criticism is about how it is delivered. It should not single out individuals in a team situation. It should give advice on how to become better and improve.

    Scholes was not being constructive. He gave the criticism as if he was still sat in the changing room as a player after a defeat. Changing rooms can be quite brutal at times, he needs to learn on how to give a critique as a pundit. Good pundits do that well. He should want to improve as a pundit.

    Your point that Scholes was there and knows what he is talking about neglects the minor fact that Pogba, Mourinho and the staff at Utd also know what they are talking about.

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    Legendaryangiggs
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    @theMartial art it started with Scholes talking about Pogba, then Mourinho in all his wisdom decided to butt in and take on a United legend, not only that, he decides to take it one further and makes it personal, saying Scholes is jealous and what not.
    Scholes could have sweet talked his way on to the coaching staff at United any time he wanted, be it during LVG period or now with Mourinho and they would have been glad to have him. He could have closed his eyes and filled their ears with all loads of tripe and they would be singing his praises. He didn’t, he kept his integrity and spoke the truth, and the truth is we have not lived up to the standards of former teams, we have played some dire football, nor have we effectivly challenged for the title. These are all undisputable facts. What exactly should Scholes praise about United in the state we’re in? He can hope for better times but, in the mean while he has a job to do, and it doesn’t involve kissing United players behinds or Mourinhos’ for that matter.
    The comments about Scholes’s playing ability are shocking, don’t think I have ever heard of a United fan who didn’t like Scholes before. Is Carrick your favorite player by any chance?

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    Legendaryangiggs
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    @alfie07 one could argue it was constructive given how Pogba performed in the aftermath. Maybe Pogba should listen to Scholes some more.

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    redblood
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    LRG-Is he still shagging in the family? Lol

    #1578185

    Legendaryangiggs
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    I see Mourinhos class is rubbing off.

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    redblood
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    “Sussed you weeks ago, our very own flip flopping little poppet”

    “He flips to the left, he flops to the right…that boy Martial Art, his pseudonyms shite”-Hahahaha.

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