Holding?

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  • #1118613
    Al The Gooner
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    The BBC are reporting that we’ve put a £2m bid in for Bolton CB Rob Holding.

    Well, the price is right up Wenger’s street, but I know nothing about the player – is he the answer?

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    Stupid purchase if true. Why spend £16m on “a future England centre half” Chambers, play him anywhere but in defence for most of his very few appearances in two seasons and then ostensibly do the same thing again? Wenger- utter definition of madness. Perhaps “he’ll learn from Mertesacker”. In that case, he’ll be rubbish soon.

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    The Oracle
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    He has only played about 30 games for the side that finished bottom of the Championship last season. The only other side who have showed any concrete interest are Bournemouth and he has cost £2million. That just shows up Wenger’s attitude to the defensive problems we have had for years. And as Jeff mentions why isn’t Chambers playing there, he cost £16million and has been turned into a reserve right back or double reserve holding midfielder. I just give up with this idiot and I’m starting to believe he is doing this on purpose.

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    thekickoff
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    “Spud” in peace, I think 2 million for a young English defender is good value considering the current market. Is he the answer to your current needs? Probably not but we have seen other young players from the lower leagues, most recently Alli who has made an impression. Will be interesting to see how much of a chance he will get this season, likewise Chambers at CB by dropping Mertesacker. Anyways, good luck and I can’t wait for our first derby in this very interesting season ahead!

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    Have to say Al, I just don’t get this signing at all, IF, its the only one we are making in terms of defenders.
    Totally agree with Jeff and whole Chambers situation. He has joined us and his career and stalled, if not gone backwards. I don’t see at this stage how Holding coming in, improves anything other than numbers. If he was coming in along with a proven, established CB then fine – send either him or Chambers out on loan and see what they are made of.

    what bugs me the most is that I think this will be in in terms of defensive cover coming in. That scares the hell out of me.

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    the specialone
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    I don’t know how anyone can even go and question if Holding is a good signing.

    In a transfer window where most top clubs are going all out and showing their true ambition to win the title,You have to see the guts of AFC to sign players like asano and Holding really says what a piss they are taking all over the most passive fans ever.

    I don’t care whether we sign the next ronaldo,football has changed and we can’t afford to give chance to youngsters at this point if we really want to win the title.

    So wait a second,there is no change in the board.There is no change in the manager.And the players we seem to buy are laughable.Only AFC can deliver that to their fans.

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    We can agree that we’re short of centre backs, with Mertesacker past his best, we definitely need a replacement. What about Holding? He’s one for the future, no he won’t be a first team regular anytime soon but I’d like to be proven wrong.

    I’m confident we will sign a quality centre back, highly probable not in the world class category but at least good enough to replace Mertesacker. We have been strongly linked to several centre backs, with Manolas the latest target. However considering how reluctant Roma are, demanding at least £38 million for him, it’s farfetched to say the least. I don’t know how ready Chambers is for the coming season but he deserves more opportunity. We have Jenkinson also as a backup right back but we need to consider his latest knee injury, I can only hope that he’ll get back to his best. So we currently have Koscielny, Paulista, Mertesacker, Chambers and Holding in the first team, not worried about the depth in there but worried about the quality instead. Let’s see hot it turns out later on.

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    I’ve been away from these pages for more than 2 months and it appears nothing has change at Arsenal. Wenger is still taking the piss out of us and the silence from the board is deafening. Going by our last 2 signings, a striker from the Far East and a 3rd rate defender from the Championship, it would seem Wenger has given up on the League before a ball has been kick in anger. He can’t seriously expect us to challenge for the title against the likes of M city, M Utd, Chelsea and to a lesser extent ‘Pool, Spuds, West Ham, Everton and Leicester with players of ‘potential’ as oppose to our rivals buying proven 1st team professionals. Still going on with that financial doping crap, is he? I’m truly and utterly sick to the stomach of this man. If he can’t match the fans’ ambition get out of the club you loser.

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    Jeff & Andy, good point about Chambers. Get the feeling Wenger’s given up on him.

    Why is it our manager will persist season upon season with some players who are clearly never going to make it, but the seems to completely abandon others.

    Talking of which, apparently Wellington Silva has left the club and gone back to South America. After all the hype, another one Wenger’s given up very easily on.

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    And I think Campbell will be the next

    #1120074
    Al The Gooner
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    Oracle, I’d love to know what it is with Wenger. There’s definitely a preference for his countrymen, but then you look at the likes of Arshavin, Bendtner and Denilson.

    I guess Arshavin’s cost was probably what kept him persisting with the player and, I s’pose’ in those days he still had a decent reputation for converting players from one position to another, but why Bendtner and Denilson? Why give them patience that he just won’t give the likes of Silva, Chambers and, like you say, very likely Campbell.

    Actually, as I think about it, he seems to have it in for Coquelin too, so maybe it’s not just a French thing – or perhaps Coq is just too defensively-minded for Wenger’s liking.

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    Well Coquelin was virtually out of the door and was only recalled out of desperation. Takes me back to his early days when he tried to offload Ashley Cole to Palace and was TOLD (Wouldn’t work these days) get him back at all costs. And to think Wenger wanted to dump him in favour of Silvino, a bloke without a passport. We should have realised then what Wenger was going to be like but his success blinded us. Lets not forget how he treated English players, and others who were part of our Youth Cup winning sides, he dumped every single one of them. Lets look at our current group of English (British) Players. Chambers, Gibbs, Wilshere, Ramsey, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Walcott, 6 top quality players and Wenger has ruined the careers of every single one of them. If he was getting the best out of these 6 how much better off would we be.

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    And what happened to the players he dumped then shifty? The only player I can think of that went onto play for a top side was Steve Sidwell – but that was hardly a success. I think Wenger’s judge of player potential is exceptional who has left to go on to better themselves? Where are Wenger’s Pique and Pogba? As for the current British players all bar Chambers have suffered from continuous injury problems, which has a lot to do with their form over the last couple of years.

    Al the Gonner Wenger will have to be ruthless with certain players – if you can’t make it at Bolton you’re unlikely to cut the mustard in the premier league. And yes of course he will persevere will some players more than others – he watches them training week in week out. Back to the original post I don’t get the criticism of getting a young English CB, even if we loan him out straight away, one for the future or it may mean Chambers can go out on loan to get some game time.

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    As usual fat mop you’re missing the point. We don’t know what these players might have been capable of because the great developer of players preferred to persist with the likes of Denilson, Aliadiere (one goal in 7 years), Eboue, Spepanovs, Cygan, Park, Squillachi, Vela, Silva, Chamakh, Demel, Diaby, Diawara, Gervinho, Bischoff, Reyes and that turned out well didn’t it. Now he is doing the same with the 6 players mentioned, players he signed and has ruined completely. Lets face it if the Great Dictator, oh sorry, Developer of players was doing his job properly maybe we wouldn’t have gone 12, well 13 years now without the title would we.

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    As usual shifty you evade the question, so I’ll ask again. Which youth player has Wenger ‘dumped’ and later regretted? Just one name will do… Oh and I’ve just heard Ashley Cole on the radio staying if he were to choose the next England Manager it would be Wenger – one reason being how he is with the younger players, I don’t particularly like the man but I think he may know a little more than you.

    #1120569
    The Oracle
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    No it’s you who is missing the point. You just don’t seem to understand what’s happening. Who knows or cares what your hero regrets. He’s far to arrogant to regret anything believing he is the greatest manager the world has ever seen. The question you Wenger lovies don’t seem to understand is why is this amazing manager incapable of winning the PL? This thread that you seem to have ignored is why is Wenger spending the princely sum of £2million on a raw defender from the team that finished bottom of the Championship when a few years back he spent £16million on one he doesn’t rate and won’t play. The thread was then developed into Wenger ruining 6 players that he signed by playing them out of position and generally damaging their careers and ensuring Arsenal are now also rans. As for Ashley Cole he’s the player Wenger tried to dump the moment he arrived at Arsenal. As for Cole’s opinion on anything he never has been the brightest tool has he. Although he may have had his tongue in his cheek. I’d love to see Wenger England manager, anything to get the leech out of Arsenal.

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    Fatmop- so you’re happy that this jerk of a manager has spent nearly £7m on Asano and Holding are you? Whilst every club has reinforced for the season, this prat has concentrated on nobodies. Come on now, why don’t you say- “wait till the end of the window/ let’s see where we are in January/ judge him in May”…. jeez, some people as a famous Canadian used to say on the old site.

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    Hi Jeff. Yes I am happy that Wenger is buying future talent, £7m in todays money is nothing and if they’ve been well scouted why not? BUT I would not be happy if we started the season without a new striker – we need a top quality goalscorer no doubt about it and it does worry me that it all seems a but quiet on that front.

    Oracle you miss understand the question who do you regret Wenger ‘dumping’? Who has he ‘dumped’ who has gone onto better things? Just one name? And you really do have a strange memory. Cole was due to go back out ON LOAN but was recalled due to injury. Silvinho (dodgy passport or not) had had a great season for us but when injured Cole took his chance and Wenger kept him in the side. Not that dissimilar to Bellerin.

    In regard to the thread as I’ve said I’d welcome Holding – Wenger clearly works very well with developing young players as many have testified – who knows him and Chambers may be a perfect CB partners for many years to come.

    #1120671
    The Oracle
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    Ahhhhh, we don’t know where those players in our successful youth teams could have achieved thanks to Wenger. We know what likes of Denilson, Aliadiere (one goal in 7 years), Eboue, Spepanovs, Cygan, Park, Squillachi, Vela, Silva, Chamakh, Demel, Diaby, Diawara, Gervinho, Bischoff, Reyes didn’t achieve. Now we see the whole process repeated. Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Ramsey, Gibbs, Chambers, Ramsey all wasted and ruined. Wenger signed them all and has ruined their careers with his incompetence and ineptitude. This man is a leech squeezing the life out of Arsenal and setting the club back years. Get this moron out of the club before he does more damage. Oh and fat mop celebrating the fact that he has spent all of £7million just sums you apologists up. Are we supposed to be happy now. Pathetic.

    #1120773

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    If the young players that were not played were that good we would have known because we’d know them now and you would be able to give me a name but clearly you can’t. Your list of who he preserved at the expense of the unknown golden talent that slipped away is also ridiculous you have a player who never played and one played once! Most not many. You’re entitled to your opinions but at least do a bit of research beforehand.

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