Holocaust Denial?

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    Luckydestiny
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    Yeah mac, didnt recognise name of experiment but have seen documentary about it.

    #1618108

    captkirk
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    How can someone believe that jews and their accomplice could go to such length and successfully hoodwink millions of people and make them believe in something that never happened?

    There have been so many testimonies of survivors and people who helped their Jewish neighbours escape from the clutch of the Germans that the only explanation that I can come up for deniers is that they are out of touch with reality.

    I heard a radio program dedicated to the Rwandan genocide of the Tutsis and listening to the interview of survivors they were in complete disbelief as to what caused their neighbours with whom they had a civil interaction just decided one day to take their machetes and go on rampage.

    The Genocide of the jews on the other hand was done with cold calculation and was planned and executed with almost scientific rigor perhaps making doubters think that it was staged.

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    Al The Gooner
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    Captkirk – it boggles the mind mate but that’s what most conspiracy theories boil down to – the notion that a large group of people somehow coordinated with each other and created an elaborate story, with no one breaking ranks.

    Many of the Nazi’s at the Nuremberg trials famously claimed that they were “just following orders” in their defence. This in itself is an admission that the events did take place.

    So not only would hundreds of thousands of survivors all have had to get their stories straight between them, they would have needed to convince a large number of Germans to act as either the perpetrators or as eyewitnesses as to what went on.

    But that’s conspiracy theories for you.

    #1619403

    Laughing Lenny
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    Gas you misfired earlier. My knowledge of East End history is quite sound. The majority of the Jewish community vacated the area in droves at the onset of the flood of Pakistani immigrants that was quickly followed by the uncontrolled mass influx of Muslims from all over. The next time you venture into the East End I suggest you stick around for a bit longer and take it all in. Have a good look around mate, and I mean a really good look. Go there in the daytime first to get your bearings and then go back at night. Take your wife with you and visit the various local areas holding hands, or better still, arm in arm. Stick around for a couple of hours and meet Sharia first hand. See how it feels. I can assure you it’s an experience you won’t forget.
    If you can’t see the obvious after that Gas then all I can suggest mate is you pop into Specsavers. With their help you will at least hopefully be able to read all the local street names and ‘no spitting’ signs in Urdu that the council have put up. Hell, perhaps with a squint you could even spot the amount of spit stains spat out all over the pavements. You never know…
    Len.

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    Wonderfuel Gas
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    Just curious about the Jewish refugees you had moving in to Whitechapel after the Second World War Lenny? By my reckoning you are well over fifty years out and have the wrong set of Jews. I think you’re talking about the Jews who fled persecution and hatred in Russia and East Europe during the late 19th Century, no?

    They weren’t a popular bunch on arrival either…only talking yiddish, taking take our jobs and our homes etc etc. “Don’t let this country become a dumping ground for the scum of Europe” said the British Brothers League.

    Up in my neck of the woods, the Manchester Chronicle said that “the dirty, destitute, diseased, verminous and criminal foreigner who dumps himself on our soil and rates simultaneously, shall be forbidden to land.”

    All the prejudice and hatred led to the Aliens Act of 1905.

    The language used sounds very familiar to me Lenny….it is part of a story far older than you and I and the picture you paint of modern Whitechapel is nothing particularly new.

    I’ve seen the future brother and it is murder. Just words in a Leonard Cohen song, I could sing you something from Sesame Street and it would be just as relevant.

    Cheers
    Tommy

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    Laughing Lenny
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    Gas. The East End of London has been the first point of call for immigrant groups coming to this country from anywhere east of Dover all the way to China for most of the 19th century. There were of course Jewish people from eastern Europe, Russia and beyond and many of them did not only speak Yiddish either. They were generally quick learners of English and many were quite industrious and integrated with the locals before moving on and dispersing elsewhere.
    Chinatown in Limehouse was already thriving by the late 50’s and people from the West Indies started to arrive in numbers in the 60’s. The East End has always been a relatively welcoming destination for oppressed people. The problem today though is there are now parallel societies springing up in various East End districts. The people who live there are diametrically opposed to our values, customs and way of life. They have little or no respect for it at all. When Mrs May was Home Secretary she removed 20,000 police off of the streets. The people in these districts picked up the baton and Sharia Law now rules. This my friend is a game changer.
    I really can’t fault Leonard Cohen’s words of wisdom but I think you’ll find the popular Sesame Street song “Bein’ Green” was first recorded by a Muppet.
    Randy Newman said: “It’s a jungle out there”, and I believe him!
    Cheers,
    Lenny.

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    theMartial Art
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    @macguffinWhy is the holocaust somehow elevated above all other genocides. People die in Africa, Balkans and even now in Myanmar but Hollywood and the media keep banging on about the holocaust while saying precious little about other genocides”

    The goal of the other regimes you mentioned (Balkans, Myanmar etc) is to bring about what is essentially Utopia. While attempting to achieve that goal they decided they had to murder people. For the Nazis, murder was the goal. They was no other purpose. Here’s an analogy. I’m driving home and see a cat sat in the street. I need to get home fast and can’t wait for it to move so I run it over and keep driving. Now imagine another scenario where I go out in my car specifically looking for cats to run over. Both scenarios are bad, but one is still fundamentally worse on a philosophical level because I’m purposefully seeking to kill the animal. That’s what sets the Holocaust apart. It’s a cautionary tale about what can happen when the human capacity for cruelty goes unchecked. It’s an example of the kind of unrelenting hate people are capable of. Under the Balkans (etc) regimes murder is the means to an end. Under Nazism murder is the end.

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    Wonderfuel Gas
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    Hey Lenny…we were out in East London last night after the game and I reckon you’re full of utter horse shit. Me and my boyfriend had no problems whatsoever, all we saw were trendy young people out enjoying themselves. Maybe we didn’t venture in to the badlands but we did get a late night train home from Whitechapel. Granted it was a bit shady but guess what? That’s life in a big city for you.

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    Paxman
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    WG – Was out myself in London on Thursday, works do at Ally Pally, not the east end, but didn’t venture into central London after and saw no trouble myself either. Of course tghere is going to be some but as you say that is life in a City, to be honest I feel safer walking through London than I do Bedford at night time 🙂

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    Paxman
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    Supposed to be did venture 🙂

    #1627678

    bloggy
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    Paxo – You are entitled to feel less safe in Bedford than in London..presumably people in Bedford know you…

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    nine nine nine
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    bloggy, 😊.

    #1629614

    Laughing Lenny
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    Gas, it’s fortunate that you and your boyfriend didn’t stumble into any problems when you ventured into La La Land last week for a couple of hours. I take it you stayed close to the dance floor. Wherever you went was obviously not shady enough for you two, but there are some extremely darker places around there, and an increasing number of them are in other areas around Tower Hamlets too, and if you care to travel further east into certain areas of Newham it could perhaps be an eye opener for you. Providing you’re not still on that wacky baccy of course.
    Instead of just popping over there for a few hours and then glibly accusing me of talking ‘horse shit’, it would perhaps help substantiate your perception of the area if you bothered to spend enough time there to have a really good look around. Book a hotel and do a 24/7. It might just change your mind.
    Before you do though, check out the official published ethnic population demographic data. It’s enlightening. Even though the latest data is quite old and does not include the past half decade of the mass influx of immigrants into the area, or the countless numbers of illegal immigrants who are also there, it does confirm that the indigenous white English are now sadly in the minority in both boroughs.
    My entire family moved out to Essex, Kent and Sussex ages ago. Sharia law was not for them and they couldn’t get out quick enough. Unless you’re a deaf, dumb and blind kid who plays pinball, surely you can’t help but see that an alien parallel society is now alive, established and kicking in our once green and pleasant land.
    I really can’t see where your coming from mate but ask yourself this: If you were a guest speaker at a conference for the deaf, would you really stand up and shout: ‘Let’s hear it for sign language’? Of course not.
    It’s nothing short of a tragedy Gas and the future is murder, but hey, as you say, that’s life in the big city today. I, like the rest of my family say fuck that.
    Len.

    #1629620
    Wonderfuel Gas
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    oh do fuck off you racist old soak

    #1629624

    Laughing Lenny
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    Gas, your blowing hot air. Surely you can do better than that.

    #1629630
    Wonderfuel Gas
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    No point wasting fresh air…got you absolutely sussed.

    #1629632

    Laughing Lenny
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    You’re just full of hot air mate. If you can’t explain your point then fair enough, but there’s no need to exacerbate your deficiency by simply talking even more bollocks.

    #1629634
    Wonderfuel Gas
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    Okay…my point is you are full of shit and pushing an agenda. I spent five minutes on the internet and busted your original shite about Jewish people moving to East London after the Second World War. It never happened. You were over fifty years out. Some cockney you are. You tried to paint a picture of some kind of no go zone in East London but it’s not true. A bit dodgy? Definitely…but it’s nothing unusual. And I don’t believe your claim that the cockneys were forced out of East London by Sharia law.

    Anyway Lenny, you’ll have your opinion of me and you know exactly what I think of you. I do quite a lot of business in London though and I’m not quite the green Mancunian you are probably assuming I am.

    #1629643

    Laughing Lenny
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    Gas. What I’ve written on here is sound. I was born and bred in the area and know first hand. I am not pushing an agenda either, I’m stating the bleeding obvious. You journeyed down here from Manchester with your boyfriend and spent 5 minutes in the area and think you’ve got it pegged? Don’t be so silly. You obviously know next to nothing about the East End. You can think what you like about me mate, I just hope that you are not naïve enough to believe that all’s well in EL. It’s not!
    Anyway, try not to be so touchy. Are you still off the fags?

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