Jeremy Corbyn…the terrorists friend?

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    liquidator
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    Johnny. The last two Labour Governments absolutely ended in a financial meltdown. There have been recessions since, but there is a recession and there is a meltdown. I certainly don’t remember rubbish piling up in the streets, a 25% inflation rate that the tories had to get under control in 1979 and a three day week in the 80’s. As for 2008, Labour spent all the money leaving nothing to cope with what was happening globally. Other developed nations coped much much better than we did. We ended up spending £3B a day more than we were receiving in taxes.

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    What about all this NHS handwringing on the board. Isn’t it about time we all accepted that the NHS is pretty much defunct in its present form. After all it was introduced way back in 1948 when the population bore no comparison to today. Before its introduction patients were generally expected to pay for their health care. There were voluntary hospitals around where care was free, but in general terms people were expected to make provision for looking after themselves and their families. I appreciate that today we live in a society where the sense of entitlement is all consuming, especially amongst the younger generation, but is there something wrong with taking responsibility to look after your own family, rather than relying on other people to do so?

    Hell I’m having trouble paying my motor insurance this month, why don’t we all chip in, by way of raising taxes, and let the government provide free auto insurance? What about buildings insurance, house and contents insurance? Please can someone pay my pet insurance?

    Isn’t part of growing up and starting a family to ensure that you yourself provide a decent home, three meals a day and adequate health care?  If you can’t do that, shouldn’t you wait till you’re in a stronger financial position before having kids? If you can’t afford to provide for your own, then don’t have kids.

    I find it almost incomprehensible in modern Britain that good private health insurance isn’t at the very top of any fathers list of priorities. That there are still those among us who would rather piss their hard earned up against the wall down the pub, than provide good private health care for their families.

    Why don’t we simply make the NHS means tested? Isn’t that how dentistry works? If you genuinely can’t afford private health insurance then you qualify immediately for free NHS treatment. Similarly if you are invoved in an accident or emergency free care should be available at the point of entry…to be repaid from your health insurance. However if you are able to pay for decent health insurance, but you choose not to, then shame on you…get your wallet out!

    I’m fortunate in that I haven’t used the NHS for twenty odd years, and I can’t think of any friends or relatives who don’t provide adequate health insurance for their families. Growing up and settling down to start my own family it was an absolute priority.

    Now I’m perfectly happy to continue to pay into the NHS even though I don’t use it, and I’m sure there are many others who feel likewise. My gripe is those among us who can afford to make other arrangements but who choose to clog up GP’s surgeries, and waiting lists for operations making those who are less fortunate and actually need the NHS wait interminably.

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    Tom – When have people been Christianity, or defending Islam, I am not a creationist, I am an evolutionist, I am from a science background and work on proof and solid evidence, but discussing religion has no part on this thread, it is about the best way to deal with terrorists, to neutralise the threat and have a safe country (and if ever possible world) moving forward, and it is just some of believe we can do this whilst still behaving like a civilised society. Yes lock up, or deport terror suspects, no one has ever argued against this but do not descend to a level where we are killing or taking the lives away from innocent people, as that is the very thing we are trying to fight against.

    #1492149
    Al The Gooner
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    Yes Tom – it also tends to be that particular group that tend to label anyone who disagrees with them as uninformed, racist or dumb.

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    Bloggy – So the Tory government privatise all these companies like they have British Rail, and the Royal Mail, because they could not afford to put tax payers money into them, how come private firms take them over and without much change immediately start making millions of pounds, why can the government not make these millions and put them back into the system improving the service rather than going into share holder pockets?

    #1492157

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    Paxo – you’ll have to bear with me a bit on this one mate. I’m really no expert on the NHS so I speak from the position of being relitively uninformed. Please explain which companies you’re referring to as being privatised.

    #1492163
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    Remind me – who pioneered the Private Finance Initiatives which are now hamstringing the NHS? Tony someone – Mare, Dare, Clare something like that wasnt it?

    #1492166

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    Liquidator – Bringing Tony Blair into the equation is hardly fair he has been the most Tory PM we have had since Thatcher 🙂

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    Paxman in your words discussing religion has no part in a thread about dealing with terrorism, are you serious? Remind me what was said by the attackers in London on Saturday? Or by the hammer wielding terrorist in France 2 days ago? Or by the three people who attacked and stabbed that nursery worker yesterday?

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    paxman i cant find anything about may/tories wanting unlimited access to everything for everyone….i think you and johnny are just speculating on this point.

    Regarding the financial crisis….yes it was a global crisis and to some degree was out of the governments hands having said that gordon brown and labour had left our finances in a very weak position to deal with crisis. He in his wisdom predicted their would be no more boom and bust economies and they borrowed huge sums in a period prolonged stable growth. Labour and himself borrowed huge, sold off our gold and deregulated the banks.

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    Before you reply Paxo Pie you might want to watch the following clip as I know you’re a big fan of the BBC and wouldn’t want you to be misled

    #1492227
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    Paxo…religion has sadly got everything to do with this thread. It’s what the terrorist attacks were based on…’islamic extremism’ or waging ‘holy war’ Have to chuckle at your point on being an advocate for evolution stating that u believe in evidence and science…which in itself is fine but evolution is solely based on random chaos which was never observed. That’s hardly evidence and science now is it. I’m digressing. What would Jesus say about the election…I don’t think he would ask us to advocate a particular candidate that’s for sure. Everyone’s got their reasons for voting their choice of candidate…that’s fine. But whoever gets voted in needs to move forward in the best interest of this great country and its people. So that will mean opposition and ruling party working together…not continously slinging crap and trying to undermine and belittle each other at every turn. Tough job ahead for whoever wins….

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    It is worth pointing out that it isn’t difficult to make vast profits from things like railways if you raise prices dramatically and have no mandate to use them as a public service. Trains in a sane society would be dirt cheap and heavily staffed, the need to make a profit should be the last thing you require of a train service.
    Trains should be an essential mode of transport for workers, getting them around the country cheaply and quickly, they should also be used to provide cheap transport for holidays for workers , they should be promoted as a way of getting people off the roads and out of their cars, cutting emissions and helping to reduce the deadly scourge of air pollution.
    As for profit, it’s hard to take lessons from the Tories on that, the people who sold British telecom for a song just before the age of the Laptop and mobile phone, just imagine what the company would be worth now and how much it would be contributing in cash terms to the country if we still owned it.
    The NHS was never meant to be used by people from outside the country, at its inception it was supposed to be supported by a ring fenced fund of money taken out of National Insurance. A fund that would be worth billions now.
    Of course politicians over the years took the money from the fund and spent it, destroying the whole basis of NHS funding.
    But of course sane ideas are not to the taste of the Tory voting Morons who pass for a pivotal percentage of the general public in England, I really sometimes wonder how people in the Labour Movement carry on in the face of decades of ignorance and stupidity, but somehow they do……….
    Now the Labour Party itself seems to have lost all sense of Nationalism and has become a pressure group on behalf of the ‘persecuted and displaced’ of other lands. All very laudable I’m sure but not really what the Labour Party should see as its core function.
    Oh well, no doubt Joe Bloggs will once more fall for the same old b**lsh*t, anything else would be sanity.

    #1492321

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    Knotter – That is the point, by selling off the railways private companies are making vast profits, now what would be better those vast profits being ploughed back into the economy or going into shareholders pockets, or if you really want, run it at a break even model which would mean lower fares.

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    Stuilse – If you think that because something wasn’t observed means it is hardly evidence then you are very blinkered indeed, there are many examples of phenomenon that either wasn’t observed or documented that haven’t been proven without a shadow of doubt, there are things like fossils, carbon dating, which are irrefutable, but if you want to believe in a fairy story that is up to you.

    #1493738
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    Believe in a fairy tale Pax…what like the one where there was nothing but a black cosmos and after a random explosion of mother nature the world and it’s species all evolved over time. I struggle with that one. What came before the cosmos? How did it get there?

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