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    hatters
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    What do you fellas think of this appointment? In my view this is almost suicidal decision making from West Ham. David Moyes is a completely broken manager and is devoid of any confidence. If he loses his first game I can imagine the vultures will already be circling. The man is a footballing pariah at the minute, the rationale behind his appointment just completely escapes me.

    Well played by his agent though. He’s managed to get ol’ Moysie a top Premier League job despite the fact that in his last 3 gigs he made Manchester United a laughing stock, threatened to relegate Real Sociedad before he completed his mission by sending Sunderland into oblivion. This man is out of ideas and out of pizazz.

    He’s got a great agent though.

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    Hatters, on all of the West Ham forums and sites that I visit, I have not seen 1 poster saying they are excited, pleased or even remotely pleased about this appointment. Many are saying (myself included) they would have rather kept Bilic. The thinking behind this appointment, is that he is the cheapest option. The owners don’t want to fork out money to pay compensation for a current manager. There were other names apparently in the frame, the likes of Rafa Benitez & Marco Silva, whether they would have come or not is a completely different matter but G&S didn’t want to risk forking out the dosh. Personally I think we have too good a team to get relegated, but then I thought that in 2003 when we went down with Di Canio, Carrick, Defoe, Joe Cole et al. We’ll hope for the best, expect the worse and see what happens.

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    hatters
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    @devon hammer. I feel for your lot mate. In my view West Ham is just one of those “Premier League teams”, a team that should always be completing toward for top 7 positions so it’s disappointing to see the club appearing to unravel.

    Granted the stadium has taken it’s toll on West Ham’s finances (evidenced by Dmitri Payet leaving after he saw the lack of investment in the playing staff) but to bring in Moyes at this point was a shocking decision in my view. Moyes might have been able to keep Everton competitive on a shoestring budget a while back but football has changed a hell of a lot since then plus every man and his dog now knows that Moyes has not moved with the times since being exposed after the safety of his Everton comfort zone.

    Interesting times for your lot indeed.

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    Stuilse
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    Odds on Moyes not seeing out his 6 month contract. Must be worth a flutter. Personally think Bilic was a bit soft with the players…discipline wise. Maybe the Hammers need a task master. Hope Moyes can turn things around but he’s going to have to hit the ground running.

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    kopite
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    Devon: Out of curiosity, who would you have wanted among the managers out of work?

    #1555212

    NOLU
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    It shouldnt be forgotten Moyes did a very good job at Preston and then over a long period at Everton.
    Who ever followed SAF into Manchester was always going to find it difficult as LVG found out and even the special one isnt having it all his own way. As for Sunderland, that really felt mission impossible with his appointment coming so close to the season starting and transfer window closing with limited funds.
    If given time this could be a good appointment – maybe

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    Gibbo
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    This was an awful appointment and no West Ham fan could be happy with this. West Ham are in trouble this season and I think this will send them down which is a massive financial O.G. Moyes can’t get players to sign for him and he showed that at Utd and at Sunderland. The only players that moved to Sunderland were all his old players who either had no contract or had no playing time at their clubs.

    Even bringing back Allardyce would have been a better approach to Moyes but there was no way the owners would take the ego hit on that one. At least Allardyce knows the club and could bring back stability which is exactly what he gave them the last time they needed him.

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    steveosnakeeye
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    I agree with Gibbo and think of the players normally there is a reaction to a new manager and people get nervous i think the team will know he useless and not play for him and know he wont last long, trouble is by then it will be too late for the club, surprised the board went this way…

    #1555258

    Devon Hammer
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    kopite that’s a great question. Apparently the owners wanted Allardyce back but he wanted 8m! 8 effing million!! I have no idea if that was for 6 months or 6 years, but I wouldn’t want him back if he paid US 8m. Maybe Alan Pardew? He did a decent enough job until he (allegedly) starting having it away with others players missus’s! 😉 For me I think I would have stuck with Bilic and see where we ended up at the end of the season. The problem is, if Moyes takes us down then he will go in May. But if he keeps us up, even if its by the skin of our teeth he will most likely get a longer contract. In the summer I would love it if we went for either Sean Dyche or Eddie Howe. 2 young British managers with premier league experience. Whatever happens it’s going to be a long, long winter! 🙁

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    steveosnakeeye
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    the thing about Sean Dyche or Eddie Howe (and this goes for the Everton job too) is that the reason they are succeful (to a degree) in their current club is they have had a lot of time to slowly uses the respective clubs set up and rescources and its taken a long time to get where they are. moving to a new club everything is so different and they generally wont have the time they need, when looking for a quick fix you need a proven top manager and those are few and far between, a cheeky bid for Carol Ancelloti would have been the best!

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    banjo_chuckers
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    hatters… not too sure how the stadium costs have taken their toll, aren’t they renting it for a pittance? With the dosh they got from selling the land from the old one, I thought they would be rolling in it. Off course, the owners might have very short arms and very deep pockets, but I very much doubt they can claim poverty due to the stadium. Might be wrong…

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    thekickoff
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    If I remember correctly Ancelotti said he did not want to return to football until the summer. I laughed hard at a friend who is a lifelong West Ham fan however Moyes did well with Everton, they were never going to challenge but had consistent top 10 finishes. Truth is who can they entice? The Wolves manager may not of been a bad shout, seems like he is doing a good job but they can afford the likes of Tuchel (more likely he wouldn’t risk career suicide). In the summer, they should go for the Huddersfield manager.

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    hatters
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    @banjo. I’m not sure of the actual financial model for West Ham’s stadium procurement. I just assumed it had cost them a lot of money and that is the reason for their recent austerity measures.

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    Moyes is a bit like big Sam, will keep these types of teams up. Moyes has a similar style to Jose, hoof it up, and isn’t the most flamboyant.

    Will gurantee you under Moyes, they will finish 14th or higher, he will utilise big Andy upfront, and revolve his tactics around him.

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    Again I hear ‘You need a proven top manager’ I wonder if anyone again will take a chance with a manager and stick with them for a long time ala Fergie / Wenger. I have heard people say that it wouldn’t work in today’s football, not sure why that is, is there any particular reason why it couldn’t work? Wenger was not particularly a big name before he hit these shores and Fergie had only done it in Scotland. Lots of people saying about the Foreign managers getting in the way of Young English managers, but it is also the old dinosaurs like Sam, Hodgson, and Moyes getting in the way of young English managers.

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    Gibbo
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    All Moyes has proved since he left Everton is that he can take a team and help them drop positions in the league. At the moment West Ham are on the drop and he is not the type of manager/character that will inspire a team to get out of relegation.

    MUFC, I agree his style is similar to big Sam but big Sam will get results, Moyes doesnt bring the same level of confidence.

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    Gibbo-i get what you mean, but certain managers are good at a certain level with certain clubs. I feel Moyes is in this mould, am confident he will get 14th or higher.

    #1555716

    NOLU
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    One of the big problems is I dont think many established managers (at least those with any dignity) would want to work for Gold, Sullivan and Brady. Especially the way they make so many public statements.

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