Lacazette "Team I join will have to be in the Champions League"

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    Al The Gooner
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    I don’t know enough about Lacazette to know if we’re really missing out here or not, but he’s announced that he wants to leave Lyon and will only go to a club that’s playing in the Champions League. He won’t be the last.

    Man U and Chelski both managed to make major signings last summer, without CL football but both had new managers coming in and they spent what they needed to get the players they wanted.

    Odds are well against us qualifying this year and so it’s a double whammy if Wenger stays – players are unlikely to want to come to us if there’s no change and Wenger won’t spend the right money in the right places. He might go for one top player, but the rest will turn out to be decidedly average, won’t improve the squad and won’t stop us drifting further down the table.

    Over to you Stan….

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    Morning Al

    This really should be a genuine concern for the board / owners. It seems even United are struggling to get a deal for Griezmann tied up without being able to offer CL football.

    I haven’t seen a great deal of Lacazette to be honest but his record this season is superb. One of the best around and that commands a certain fee these days. A fee that, even with CL football assured, I couldn’t see us paying. We wouldn’t pay the asking price for him last year and its only gone up since then!

    Feels like a catch 22 situation to me. I don’t enjoy our time in the CL. Its a pointless exercise really because we have absolutely zero chance of winning it. However, without being in it, we won’t be able to attract players that would hopefully improve our squad. We already have a squad that requires significant improvement in my opinion, so just how damaging is this lack of CL football going to prove? One journalist said this week that 2 PL teams had held talks with Virgil Van Dijk / or his people and of the 3, we offered the most in wages and his preference is to join Chelsea. I think that says a lot about our attraction to good players at the minute.

    The managerial situation is absolutely not helping. How on earth can anyone be expected to make a decision about joining or leaving Arsenal when they don’t know who the manager is going to be?! Its beyond farce.

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    The Oracle
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    He’s not worth having and there isn’t a hope in hell of Griezmann going to The Mancs whether they are in the CL or not. He has his sights set on much bigger fish, that is if he leaves Los Rojiblancos at all. Obviously Arsenal will be affected given no one will want to join and Sanchez and Bellerin will probably leave, no one wants Ozil so we may be stuck with him. However do we really want Wenger to spend anything given he will buy the wrong player, destroy their confidence, de-motivate them and he is only supposed to be staying for 2 years. The Wenger ‘swan song’ will be a transition period, don’t expect top signings or improvement until the next manager arrives.

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    Al The Gooner
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    Hey Andy – I think the managerial situation is the crux of everything that’s wrong myself. Squads can always be improved – even Barca or Bayern could improve their squads, although a fair bit less improvement is needed there than with us! But, if I was a player that had had even a passing interest in what’s been going on at Arsenal over the last few years, I’d see a squad going backwards, despite more and more money being spent.

    Sanchez and Ozil are the two biggest names we’ve brought in since Campbell (Sol, not Joel, bless ‘im), but neither has taken us forward. There’s a long list of young players that came into the squad with lots of hype surrounding them and have failed to live up to it, despite many of them now being at their supposed peak. There’s only one common denominator – Wenger.

    There was a time when you could at least point to the likes of van pur$ie and Cesc. They may well have f**ked off when bigger clubs came calling, but players still wanted to come and play for Wenger because he would always improve their careers, even if that improvement simply secured them a big money move away. Now, he takes players backwards, not forwards.

    Here is one of Wenger’s latest gems: “If you don’t win the championship, the FA Cup, the Champions League, it is absolutely disastrous. But if you look back in the last three years, we won the FA Cup twice and finished second, third and fourth. We are in the FA Cup final again. Overall, I believe we are not happy because you want to win absolutely everything.”

    He, along with much of the media, just don’t get it. It’s not because we haven’t won the title or CL – it’s that we’re never even in the race and the more he spends, the further backwards we go. Actually, to be fair, Wenger is an intelligent man and I’m sure he does get it, but by blaming it on lack of trophies (and the media lapping it up), he makes it sound like the problem isn’t his incompetence, but just spoiled fans being greedy.

    Problem is, when it comes to players choosing their next club, Wenger no longer has the one advantage that used to give us at least a shout in the race with other clubs for their signatures. He no longer makes players better. No realistic prospect of major silverware, no career improvement and not even the best payers – what is there to attract any top players to Arsenal?

    Kroenke could change all that in a stroke. There’s no guarantees, whoever comes in as our next manager, but at least there’ll be a prospect of moving forward. With things as they are, I don’t see anything that would attract good, ambitious players to us.

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    Morning Al. Superb post bud.

    Recruitment has to be a huge concern this summer. Kolasinac appears to be just about a done deal. I have never seen the guy play but Shalke are currently 10th in the Bundesliga and we can pay more in wages so its’ not hard to see why he might come. You would have to presume that if talks have taken place, he knows who is going to be in charge? Then again, maybe he isn’t that concerned? I suppose its down to the individual.

    I see Wenger knocked out another ‘we almost signed him’ story last night, about Mbappe. Robert Pires said last week, that he feels we will sign him and that Wenger is the right man to manage him! Not one bit of that statement is even remotely true! How on earth could we compete for him now? He can literally pick where he wants to go and as it stands we are not going to attract, arguably, the hottest prospect in world football to our door. One thing is for sure, Wenger is the worlds greatest at ‘almost signing players’.

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    Andy- Pires supposedly has his eyes on the actual or fictional D of F post that is up for grabs soon and if true, that would suit Wenger very well. Another ex-player yes man who spouts nonsense such as “Wenger should be respected/ he deserves to decide when to go/ he should be given the chance to get things right” etc. Pires coming out with that absolute bs about Mbappe over the last two weeks when the cost even then was mooted as £80m and rising or Wenger saying he went to his house to try and persuade him to come here- which was the more ludicrous and embarrassing quote? On another note, both you and barber (where is he? used to comment about Bielik and what a good prospect he was. Have you seen him on loan at Birmingham and do you know how he’s getting on? I fear this might be another one of those great prospects that disappear from our club- we’ve had a few over the past 20+ years!

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    Afternoon Jeff – I can see it now. Wenger knocking on Mbappe’s door offering him 30 quid a week and a curly wurly to pick us over Barca/Real/PSG/United etc. We came so close!

    As for Beilik, I read an article about him quite recently from a Birmingham fan who was impressed with his performance when they kept out Newcastle. He hasn’t played much really. Less than a dozen appearances and the last few have been at CB. Not a bad thing I don’t suppose. If anything, playing at CB in that league will toughen him up. Birmingham haven’t had a great season and with changes in managers, its easy for loan players to get left on the scrap heap I would think. Might be a good idea to try and find another loan for him next season. Don’t want him ending up like Holding – put in a blinding performance and then get dropped!

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    Al The Gooner
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    Haha – can’t speak for Mbappe Andy, but I’d happily take curly wurly’s in pay.

    This is probably just me but does anyone else find themselves singing Mmmbop by Hansen whenever Mbappe’s name comes up? Not sure I could take us signing him anyway, no matter how good he is, if that keeps happening…

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    Would scraping 4th place even matter as the moment when it comes to attracting players? Everyone knows we have been so poor this season and don’t have any chance of doing well in the ECL. Our players are going backwards and don’t out an effort in for their manager, who is tactically clueless himself. Anyone who joins in this current state must lack ambition.

    We need a high profile manager which can attract players along with a lot of money. We need at least 3 world class players down the spine. The new manager can have a clear out and weed out others who don’t consistently put in an effort. Clearly there is little to no hope for this with our owner and board.

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    the specialone
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    A)It dosent really matter about which player we can or cannot sign.Until we have this delusional old man managing us under this inept and incapable board we won’t get anywhere.

    B)More than the fact that players wouldn’t want to join a non CL team,My concern is that say if the delusional manager does decide to leave.Which top manager would even want to join a team which is not in the CL.Not Allegri,Not simieone.Actuslly who am I kidding which manager in their right mind would even want to manage under this current board.

    C)Just a word on lacazette,He is one of the most overrated strikers out there who can’t even get into the national team.Its no wonder that the most ambitious teams who actually want to challenge for the title aren’t in for him and are looking else where.Yet he is only being linked with the likes of us.Who are knows to have become a top 4 team(Incapable to challenge for trophies).

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