Liverpool – Burnley Sun 12th March Anfield

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    redsforever
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    Mikus, i think klopps dortmund would be good enough to win the premier lge. He had some very good players lewandowski hummels subotic goetze kuba etc.

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    redsforever
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    Whats wrong with coutinho. Since getting that new contract hes been awful

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    shanksy
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    Couts has been utter dog muck since he come back from injury. I think he has buggered off to Barca and moved his twin in who has hands for feet.

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    j c
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    The way Conte hit the ground running, is quite exceptional Mikus. And he inherited a squad that were champions a year ago, so it’s a different situation.
    While Chelsea were crowned champions in 2015, we were getting beat 6-1 at home by Stoke.

    What I’m saying is, we had a longer way to go than Chelsea, and if you were expecting us to immediately become champions when Klopp joined, you were being unrealistic.
    As long as we’re moving in the right direction, that represents good management to me. We’re currently on track to finish with more points than we did last season, and I’d expect us to strengthen again next season.

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    Mikus
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    JC, not expecting us to be champions, just expecting more consistency in our performances. I’ve already acknowledged Chelsea’s squad as better than ours and that Conte is a different manager – but regardless, Chelsea are more resilient than us. You don’t have to be full of world class players to be resilient – it’s about coaching and drilling the players to know what to do and where to be – that at least gives you consistency in performance. I don’t doubt Klopp has his drills, but given our continuing inconsistencies in performances, something doesn’t seem quite right. He’s been here eighteen months now.

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    MrMakaveli
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    Mikus, you’re selling people short by suggesting that their opinions about how they think Klopp will turn it around is just based on naivety. it isn’t like he has come from nowhere with nothing achieved so far. Football is still football, regardless of where you go. This idea that Klopp might not have come up against a proper challenging league until now is genuinely naive. Conte has inherited a team of champions who were more or less tactically suited to his background. Is it any surprise that a Serie A winning manager is going to have a resilient team?

    Saying that the club have general poor mentality isn’t the same as saying that we have a few bad eggs, we lack leadership, fortitude and drive.

    As for Klopp’s Dortmund, who knows. This project is far from finished though so I’m sure Klopp is currently adapting in many ways.

    Mikus, I’m not aiming this next bit at you but it is definitely becoming a thing with the fans (and disturbingly quickly too). Klopp isn’t just some German clown, He’s a back to back league champion against the odds and Champions League finalist. You don’t get there by being a one trick pony. this “no plan B” shit has really worn me out. We have more than a plan A and it’s been there for you all to see this season. It has been there through most of our wins this season in-fact. We don’t harry and harass for 90 mins every game, far from it. . but Klopp is useless if his team aren’t gung-ho right? he’s One dimensional. . .

    All of that aside, I’ve seen plenty with my own 2 eyes that have convinced me that Klopp’s football is the best that we’ve played since Rafa, at least.

    What happens if we lose to City and Everton? Will people want rid of 1D Klopp? Would we be better off without this joke of a man?

    Be careful what you wish for because he may well have a plan B this summer. . one that doesn’t rhyme with Madrid.

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    MrMakaveli
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    “As long as we’re moving in the right direction, that represents good management to me. We’re currently on track to finish with more points than we did last season, and I’d expect us to strengthen again next season.”

    Exactly. Today we hit the same amount of wins as we reached in all of last season. That’s a significant improvement.

    #1449370

    Sean the sailor
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    Mr mak but when we usually dont play well we lose. Im delighted with yesterdays win.Ye we were poor but we hardly ever win when we play that badly.I really dont understand the complaints about yday. We fecking won the game. We were missing 3 1st team regulars. Our bench wasnt great. We went 1-0 down and came back to win. Imagine if we had of lost or drawn?This might give us confidence againest the so called lesser sides now.

    we got the 3 points. Its two wins on the bounce. We didnt play well but won.

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    redwing80
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    People in here complaining about the performance Jesus Christ ????

    A win is a win. We have a paper thin squad and a team low on confidence. Top 4 was our dream target for this season.

    Don’t let our first half of the season performance delude you. This Liverpool side is doing very well this season.

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    Lee Simpson
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    Poor performance again. We seem to lack intensity when we play the lesser teams there was none in the 1st half we were dreadful. Klopp was right to take off Coutinho I know he has struggled since he came back. Even Mane was poor. Can struggled but fair play to him for getting a goal. Klavan and Matip did well, as did Mignolet. I’m concerned Klopp won’t address our defensive frailties. When he was at Dortmund his teams would often get exposed when pushing up so much. Even now with 1 game a week the intensity should’ve bee there against Burnley ad Leicester but it wast for some reason. Origi was poor again, although it seemed strange Klopp taking him off. I would’ve used his pace on the break.

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    AK
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    3 points !!!

    Firstly when we are playing poorly/losing i cant think of anything worst then Gary Neville`s voice (the fact that he talks sense is irrelevant)

    Why does Can get so much stick yes he was not great, clearly the manager asked him to play that deep in the first half. He had very few options ahead of him & in the end got us two extra points.
    Clyne, Milner, Lallana & Coutinho all played poorly Clyne & Milner have been awful for weeks but they get away with it maybe because the media don’t like criticising English players!

    Klopp if your going to play Milner @ left back please don’t play a slow centre back next to him.

    http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/klopp-salutes-liverpool-matchwinner-can-12731340

    Hendo`s out of the next game http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-captain-henderson-out-manchester-12731280

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    Lee Simpson
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    Only thing I’ll say about Conte is his Juventus team were very well drilled much like Chelsea. Chelsea already had good defensive players like Azpilicueta, Cahill, Matic, so it was easier maybe for Conte. The most impressive thing he did was get Moses performing. He switched to 3 at the back. Dropped Ivanovic and phased out John Terry. His one big downfall was that he didn’t do that well in Europe so we’ll see how Chelsea do next season.

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    nine nine nine
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    Lee, just to put into perspective Conte’s “only downfall was that he didn’t do well in Europe”” he has only managed in Europe twice in the first season Juve were eliminated in the Qtr Finals of the CL by a very very good Bayern team who went on to win it and in his second season after elimination at the Group stage of the CL he took Juve to the Semi Finals of the EL. Not great but certainly not a disaster.

    Conte has a fine history as a player in the CL and is a former winner of the CL so winning the CL as a Manager is definitely​ an ambition of his,currently imo it will be very difficult for a PL team to win the CL so he may not fulfill that ambition at Chelsea but it would be a brave man who would bet against him achieving it eventually.

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    MrMakaveli
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    A win is a win but on it’s own it is only that if you won by the luck of the draw rather than a good performance or a sign that we’re resolving some serious problems in our play.

    You could take this match and the Leicester one, flipped a coin to decide which one ended up with us winning and which ended in us losing and as different as the results might be, they are both fundamentally identical in all other meaning. Since this wasn’t the last game of the season, that means a lot.

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    MrMakaveli
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    AK, I’m not the media and I would be critical of Can before any of the other names you’ve mentioned and it has nothing to do with them being English, as I’m Irish.

    I’ll take your point about the 4 lads having some poor games (some more than others) but they have all been brilliant at other times this season. Has Can put in a single brilliant performance this season? Lallana was brilliant just last week, it’s hardly fair to name him and also Milner is an easy target for people who doesn’t deserve to be on a ‘worst player’ list, or whatever you might call it.

    The key difference for me is that most of the players in the team had made a big step forward under Klopp this season. That is of course until the dip in form but did anyone really shine through those matches? Anyway, Can was a player who I (and likely others) expected big things from this season and if anything, he’s made a big step back. There is no grand conspiracy or dislike of Germans, Can just isn’t able to play in our system. Maybe he hasn’t been concentrating on his football and is more worried about his next move and all this contract talk is just angling. . whatever has changed for him, he’s not good enough where-as the other 4 players you’ve named are.

    #1449414

    gingerlfc
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    MrMak- do you really think most players have improved this season?

    Sturridge hasn’t. He had a great 2nd half of last season and I thought he’d kick on this season. Same with Origi.
    Cans went backwards overall despite the odd good game. I couldn’t say Coutinho has improved overall. Clynes went backwards so has Lovren. Hard to judge Milner as hes playing a completely different position. I couldn’t say Firminos improved.

    Lallana definately has improved, Hendo too when fit. Maybe Migs?

    I think what’s improved us slightly as a team is the likes of Mané, Wij and Matip. And even they arnt consistent.

    #1449423

    Sean the sailor
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    but Can was good enough last season and the season before that.Hes a good player. Hes played well in some big games this season but in general he has been poor. He was very good againest city,chelsea at anfield. One thing Can doesnt do is disappear. Hes not playingb great at all but credit to him for getting a vital goal yday.

    Im just glad we won. Its about points now and not performances

    #1449425

    NotoriousBingo
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    Can has been playing with a calf injury for the past 3 months.

    I thought it was a positive game yesterday, dreadful final ball though, everyone was guilty of handing possession over but thankfully both Gini and Can managed to get a couple of goals.
    Mane should have buried that game when Can picked him out, hopefully the lads can get a bit more consistent now and keep going for the rest of the season.

    #1449545

    Sean the sailor
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    not a fan of the high line or how we set up to defend set plays.

    #1449591

    Lee Simpson
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    I see in Juventus’s 1st season back in the Champions League under Conte, they did get knocked out by Bayern in the quarter finals. The following season they were knocked out in the group stage. Conte will feel he still has it all to prove in the Champions League.

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