December 6, 2017 at 12:20 pm #1566614
I think we have to bear in mind that he was in fantastic form when he broke his leg at PSV and has struggled to find that form again. I think we give him leeway because we’ve seen, sporadically, how good he can be and want him to do well. However, I agree that the club need to make a decision on the player, play or sell. I don’t think a loan will do it. At this stage he’s either good enough or not, so keep or sell.
If we got a swap for Rose and Spuds were willing, I’d go for that. Rose is proven and being from the North wants to get back there eventually so it might work. Pochettino has previous with Shaw having overseen his development at S’hampton and it might be deal that works all-round.December 6, 2017 at 1:15 pm #1566637
I don’t think he’ll start on Sunday but expect him to be in the match day squad. Going by his comments after the game looks like Mourinho has been impressed with Shaw lately and will give him opportunities. I reckon he could well start the next two Wednesdays against Bournemouth and Bristol City.
As for swapping for Shaw plus Rose, I think Spurs would be laughing all the way to the bank. I have a feeling they want Sessegnon as backup to Davies tho.December 6, 2017 at 2:08 pm #1566659
Yeah I’m not convinced by Rose at all. Remember when all the Spurs players were in the form of their lives “that season” and they were all shoehorned into the England team? Well Rose was shite and im not convinced he’d cut it at a real club.December 6, 2017 at 2:44 pm #1566675
Seems like the great man had something himself to say about Shaw!December 6, 2017 at 3:19 pm #1566689
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We shouldn’t be looking at swapping a younger Luke Shaw for an older Danny Rose, especially seeing how Rose’s attitude has stank since he’s been sidelined. I say give Shaw a chance till end of the season. He is young enough to improve and old enough to have learnt from his mistakes. Surely he can’t be a bad player overnight and I have and will continue to back him until he proves beyond the slightest doubt how out of his depth he is.December 6, 2017 at 3:32 pm #1566694
@ot fax machine. Watch the goal scored against us yesterday and Shaw’s positioning is as about “out of his depth” as it gets in my opinion.
I’m sorry fellas but my judgement on Shaw is made. He broke his leg 27 months ago now, that excuse for his lack of form and fitness is unacceptable in my view.
Whether Rose comes in or not we need a new left back to be purchased as a first team player to slot in because his “potential” being fulfilled is not a good bet at all.
Whatever Jose said I would take with a pinch of salt because as far as I can see Jose probably sees a few December cup games coming up to shop him around and sell him off in January.December 6, 2017 at 3:50 pm #1566701
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@hatters its easy to blame Shaw’s positioning, yet we easily forget the goal came from a Rashford unnecessary flick, while we were in the offensive. Shaw was making only his first start in months, he will be rusty. Lest we forget that Ashley Young nd Valencia are both always caught horribly out of position, but thanks to some cover defense, we’ve yet to have been slaughtered from those errors. Does that make them out of their depths as well?
Yes your mind is made up, but that shouldn’t discourage the rest of us from seeing some positives in the lad.December 6, 2017 at 4:01 pm #1566705
OT-Because Young and Valencia are not defenders mate,plus they too both need replacing come summer.But I agree with you on Shaw getting more games under his belt after the injuries!December 6, 2017 at 5:25 pm #1566733
@hatters…i agree about Shaw’s attitude the past year but i think he felt he was being harshly treated by Mourinho and wasn’t getting a fair shake from the manager. I definitely wouldn’t be writing him off just yet. For the goal he should have been 5 yards infield and that ball inside wouldn’t have been on. Saying that, Blind, the left sided centre half could have covered it better also in that system.
Swapping Shaw for Danny Rose will cost the club at least £30m (£50m fee less £20m for Shaw). I definitely don’t think he is that great to be blowing that type of coin on him.
We have stuck with Shaw this far and it would be silly to just dump him now. Agree with others, he should be given games after the City match and compete with Young for the LB spot. I think if he gets his head right he could be a very good player. I have no concerns about him attacking but he needs to work on his defending and fitness.December 6, 2017 at 7:08 pm #1566758
@ot fax machine. Just as redblood says, Young and Valencia are not defenders. In my view we need two new full backs to slot straight into the first team. Watch players like Marcelo, Mendy, Alba, Alaba, Azpilicueta, Digne etc and tell me that the left back spot is sorted out? Are you willing to use a “wait and see” approach because you’ve seen Luke Shaw bomb down the left wing for 55 mins in a dead rubber Champions League game?
@n1xer. As I said, I don’t mind if Rose comes in or not but he looks the likely option at the minute. Either way I want a new left back and a new right back coming in for top dollar just like City did, having proper fullbacks who can defend and attack would completely transform this team and I think it’s silly for us to wait on Luke Shaw because he can’t take the tough treatment that Mourinho deals out to every player.
I saw Mourinho do an interview on MUTV and he said something like “I like to squeeze the player to get a reaction” while gesticulating as if he was wringing a wet towel. This is how he is and we must accept that for as long as he is the gaffer. If he lays the gauntlet down to a player, that player must react or must be shipped out – otherwise the club is being counter productive, the buck ends with the manager at the end of the day. Look at Martial, he is at a similar age but has reacted to Mourinho’s treatment. He has stopped sulking and has learned to be more efficient with his minutes on the pitch, his attitude is adjusted and I see a professional who will be starting every game as a key player within 18 months if he continues in the same vein.
Even if Shaw is kept on (as so many of you are clamouring for despite having almost zero good performances to point to as justification), I think the risk is too high for us not to purchase a proper left back who can do the job immediately – even if it’s an older player who is maybe 30.December 6, 2017 at 8:22 pm #1566791
@hatters….Big assumption is that there are quality fullbacks out there that want to come to Utd. And if they do, that they’ll be a success. Recent history of signings would suggest there is no guarantee. Maybe Mourinho’s squeezing you are referring to above might have something to do with it but that’s a whole other conversation. I’m sure Shaw will get minutes and we will see what he can do! Good or bad.December 6, 2017 at 10:54 pm #1566869
@n1xer. That’s fair enough I guess. One thing for sure is I doubt Shaw will prove me wrong but I certainly hope he does.December 7, 2017 at 10:36 am #1567009
I’ve made it very clear I’m not his number one fan and don’t have any time whatsoever of the “poor hard done to Luke argument.” There is no way a manager of Mourinho’s experience would cut his nose off to spite his face to the extent he has played Mateo bloody Darmian so regularly at left back.
However, credit where it’s due I thought he played very well the other night. Attacked well, defended okay on the whole (I thought one or two others were equally culpable for the goal) and was really impressed he made it the full 90 minutes as he looked dead on his feet from around the hour mark.
I still don’t think he’s the long term solution but there’s definitely something there and I’d be delighted to be proved wrong. If he can build on the Moscow game, work hard and stay fit there’s half a chance he could save us sixty million quid and solve for me the biggest headache in our starting line up. Come on Luke, feel the force!
Replacing him with Danny Rose would be a monumental folly.December 7, 2017 at 11:03 am #1567024
Tommy – Yeah, maybe it was harsh to say Mourinho has cut his nose off to spite his face. But form what i saw the other night, especially considering the aforementioned fitness, confidence & game sharpness – it feels like an oversight from him that he has allowed Darmian and Blind so much game time when they have been very average, particularly Darmian. And then, guess what, an actual left back comes in and shows that he can actually do left back stuff naturally and more than Darmian has done all season in 90 minutes.
So i’m just wondering why it’s taken so long for that realisation?
Is it that Luke Shaw has only just started working hard in training the last 2 weeks?
Or has Jose finally accepted the Darmian experiment hasn’t worked?
Is he just putting Shaw in the January shop window?
Or has he actually just decided “feck it – i’m gonna give Luke Shaw a chance”?
Or was it none of the above and he just wanted to rotate his squad and figured Luke Shaw’s legs could be used?December 7, 2017 at 11:26 am #1567036
I think he did well the other night but he probably could have been taken off as he’s clearly not up to match speed yet. I remember watching around the 62nd minute and CSKA countered, Shaw was there jogging back into the box, I don’t think he was lazy I just don’t think he had the legs to be able to bust a gut. It was the kind of thing that would have driven Roy Keane absolutely insane, in fact I think was it Carrick or Fletcher against ‘Boro not busting a gut that got Roy shipped out?
He played well, there’s some excuses to be made for rustiness and lack of match practice, you can do as much work in the gym/on the training field but there’s no substitute for match time. There’s work to be done but hopefully he can cement his place, if not then he’ll be gone in the summer regardless.December 7, 2017 at 2:23 pm #1567142
happy-I too would hope that Jose has realised that both Darmian and Blind are not good enough and both are sold in January.December 7, 2017 at 3:18 pm #1567181
Wouldn’t have been Carrick mate…I’m pretty sure him and Keane never played together.
I can’t remember if we’d used all our subs but I was astonished Luke made it all the way to full time he looked absolutely goosed didn’t he? Can’t blame him I suppose but he doesn’t half look a funny shape for a professional sportsman.December 15, 2017 at 9:27 am #1570664
Is it two games and 2 MOTM awards for Luke Shaw? Not bad. Come on Jose stop making an arsehole of yourself with regards to that left back spot! 😜🙈December 15, 2017 at 7:40 pm #1570928
I have a feeling Young will get his spot back against West Brom but Shaw will probably play against Bristol City. Who knows, another good performance and Mourinho may play him a lot moreJanuary 5, 2018 at 10:14 pm #1579395
Has Luke Shaw nailed down the left back spot now? No sign of blind or darmian for a while and looks like Luke is actually fit and playing well…
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