Manchester United’s Ander Herrera vs Chelsea’s N’Golo Kante – A Statistical Comp

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    emmicallef
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    happyhurling – Here comes the cavalry to the rescue.

    You have spelled it out correctly that the article was a good read and by no means me wanting to churn out the stats in any way other then present said article as a thread on its own merits. I admit that I could maybe have used the Herrera thread,but did not deem this action was so necessary.

    Your example of DeGea and Nuer was excellent,without saying which one was the best.

    A couple saw fit to ask questions which is in their absolute right even if they were a tat sceptic/funny in my concern.Do not let that worry you my friend.We cannot win them all.

    And I see you are trying to get into the Black’s good books,he,he,he,,

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    Whilst I don’t believe statistics paint a full picture, I do believe that it shows SOME insight into how players are performing – especially in certain areas that go unnoticed pretty easily (such as interceptions, blocks, distance covered, etc.).

    I don’t believe Herrera is as good as Kante however I don’t believe the statistics are lying such that it shows that Herrera has done well for us this season and does the dirty work pretty well.

    With that said, I’d probably still have Kante in my team ahead of him given the choice.

    #1436272

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    jm1502 – But your eyes would be seeing Kante do the exact things that the stats would be saying ??

    #1436290

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    I’m not as big a Kante fan as some, there are better around and he’s been massively overhyped, but I’d have him every day over Herrera. I take it you’d take Herrera over Kante happy?

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    Alfie07
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    Very interesting read.

    I agree with a lot of the comments that have been made between the two players – not many would take Herrera over Kante. Looking at the stats, it could be how the press report the performances of the two players as, stat-wise, there is nothing between them and, if anything, Herrera is ahead. Football is not played with stats though, but an interception is an interception, a pass is a pass a goal a goal… and if one is praised for such then so should others for doing the same.

    I don’t watch a lot of Chelsea matches, so can just go by what I read about Kante, but that is all positive and it is noticeable that Herrera doesn’t get the same press.

    I often hear from opposition fans how shot our team is and how they are going to stuff us, but it hardly seems to happen and we often end up dominating opposition – as we have with Liverpool at home, Spurs and Arsenal – so I think that a lot of our players are generally not as well thought of as they would be if they were elsewhere.

    #1436330

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    Manthistle – I have already remarked that I accept that no harm would ensue had I utilised the Herrera thread instead of creating another thread. I used the word ‘childish’ as I did not expect being taken to task on such an insignificant remark.

    This means that you were in your right to ask the question just as much as I chose to start a ‘new’ one. That we may differ is only natural.So that makes everyone happy in my book no ?

    I cannot find one good reason to prolong this uncalled for argument/conversation.

    #1436344

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    Alfie07 – Well analysed.

    However I have already said that while no individual comparison per entered my mind, the stats are reported by a very reputable site ‘Squawka Football’ and I am convinced you would believe them if they stated that Kante had 30 passes for example.

    And as I said to Jim, we all see the same actions as reported in the statistical records.

    The reports could be highlighted more depending on the team in question,example if playing for a high flying team,or who the actual player is at that point in time,as the term consistency is of paramount importance when coming actually to who is the real top gun in the end.
    A certain team/player could have a magic season for example and then revert to average performances the next,aka Leicester/Vardy.

    All in all as you concluded,” and if one is praised for such then so should others for doing the same”.

    That was what I really wanted to put over in my post. You made a better job of it.

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    Alfie07
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    Too much can be made of stats – all of Hererra’s tackles, passes etc could have been made in one match for example and he could have been a spare part in the others! But given the number of games played you would expect the comparison to be fair.

    What I would say is that if you compare the style of play of the two teams, we seem to dominate possession more and Chelsea are more a counter attacking team so you would expect Kante to have more chance at making tackles and interceptions as the opposition would have more ball than if they played us – despite the league positions.

    I like a good stat, but I agree with those who say that they can be misused – not that I think you have done so.

    #1436382

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    I cannot find one good reason to prolong this uncalled for argument/conversation.

    I never intended to start an argument/conversation. I asked one simple question following the creation of the thread.

    #1436389

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    ” I asked one simple question following the creation of the thread”.

    And I answered your question.

    So you had the right to ask and I had the right to answer.

    We can continue this till doomsday if you want.

    You see why this is useless ? And if you want the last word,,you’ve got it.

    I prefer to talk football.

    #1436390

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    Alfie07 – As I said. fair assessment from your end.

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    Emmicallef – I am indeed trying to get into everyone’s good books, it is a new year after all!

    JM – Erm, no – i’d have Kante every time!! ;o)

    #1437076

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    just read the article and i was fascinated, despite him being one of my fav players solely because of his passion and commitment it was refreshing to see even the numbers support him, most fans say stats can’t be trusted but when a player is a box to box midfielder and has the highest number of tackles and interceptions, succesful pass rate and chips in a few assists what exactly do people who don’t rate him expect him to do? fly perhaps? make some world class saves like De Gea cos honestly for a bb midfielder the only thing remaining for him to do (that he hasn’t done yet) this season is to start flying

    #1437151

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    happyhurling – As usual you find the easy way out of any argument,he,he,he.

    You really surprised me not choosing Herrera over Kante which clearly shows that you are truly trying to change your image. Personally I would rather admit a mistake than jump on the other side of the fence.To be fair to you,you cannot please everyone can you ?

    libanski – My feelings were the same when I saw the stats.Not that I could not see Herrera’s contribution post his introduction by Jose in the new role which he seemed to take like a duck to water.But of course he was clearly overshadowed as this type of midfielder by Kante,not to mention many other quality midfielders who had mastered their trade so to speak well ahead of Ander. Something like Bale being converted from fullback to a world class attacker.

    I believe that if Herrera continues to lead in stats[meaning consistency],he will eventually be able to stand on the same high pedestal as his more ‘famous’ colleagues.Would love to see Happy’s reaction to that,he,he,he.

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