Manger appointment

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    AndyC
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    Anyone and i mean anyone that is saying they will get behind an appointment like Arteta and wanted Wenger out should have a long hard look at themselves.
    Wenger whilst taking the club backward was is and will remain a better choice than Arteta, Vieira, Englemann etc. We are a big club, we need someone with experience. Yes, Wenger was the gamble but let’s not forget he has years of managerial experience before he came to us. He had managed one of the biggest clubs in France and at that time French football was better than our own standard here. So as I said anyone getting on board with Arteta or the likes should question themselves for any part in hounding Wenger out. The point of Wenger leaving was to get a better manager in not someone who has ZERO experience at the top!
    You lot needs your head checked. scandalous some of the stuff i had been reading.
    Allegri, Simeone, Ancelotti, should be first stops after that look at Brendan, Rafa, Ringneck, and the likes then if none of those want in, then and only then should we consider Arteta and co. top choices probably would say no at moment, but Rafa, Brendan, and co would jump at it if offered.

    #1637159
    steveosnakeeye
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    i agree Andy

    when i say i will get behind a new man i only say that as, as Al says, it is counter productive as club to get on any managers back form the start, the board however should be shot

    #1637174
    Al The Gooner
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    Andy @ 8:33am – I assume that was addressed to me mate? What would you suggest then? That, should Arteta be appointed, we get on his back before pre-season training has even started?

    There’s a big difference between supporting the board in their decision to go with someone untried and supporting the guy that they appoint.

    I’ve spent the last 6 or 7 years being angry at the club I love and I’m fed up with feeling like that. If Arteta is appointed and if he turns out to be worse than Wenger, I’m sure I’ll get angry about it then. In the meantime, you can sit there giving yourself a heart condition but it won’t stop board appointing whomever they decide to appoint.

    I think some of you just enjoy having something to moan about.

    #1637197
    the specialone
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    Obviously no one is going to get on Arteta’s back the day he joins us.He’s going to be given that chance but that chance is going to be in the first season itself and not 2-3 seasons(excuses).If this guy has worked under guardiola achieving a record breaking 100 points,he dosen’t need to take time to understand the English game(as that excuse is given far too often).

    I told you,he dosen’t have to do a great job to make us progress.we finished 6th,with our lowest points tally of any season(iF IM correct?) and gone trophyless.i mean you could understand if he’s taking over the reigns from someone that’s won us titles recently.But he’s not.So showing progress wouldn’t really be the toughest job for him.

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    andy528
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    you can see just from this discussion how split the opinion is on Arteta getting the job. Betting has been suspended at this stage so it looks like it’s happening. I wouldn’t say he was my choice by any means but at the same time I will back him. The same way I would back whoever comes in and until that person proves they are not up to the job, that won’t change.

    Who knows who we were in for really. The club always operates on a very secretive basis but perhaps its worth considering how much the lure of the club has suffered. A lot of people expressing outrage that we haven’t appointed Allegri – as if it’s just a given that he would accept the job anyway. People have their own demands when considering a new job. They could have been outrageous. We don’t know. We also don’t know how interested he was to leave the best team in Italy, with CL football assured to come to us?! Could it be that we just are not as enticing as we used to be?

    Whoever we appoint, after 22 years of the the same man, it’s going to be a risk. Even Allegri comes with an element of it as he doesn’t know the league. We have to move out from behind the shadow of Wenger and see what happens. When Fergie left United, the fans trusted the clubs decision because he had hand picked his successor. It was a disaster.
    If it is Arteta I’m going into it with an open mind. He is someone that loves the club and despite his lack of experience, the worlds best manager has nothing but good things to say for the way he operates at City.

    #1637477

    steve68
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    Al.there are a lot of problems at afc that i can’t personally
    see one manager getting right in 2/3 years.if you look at our
    history we as well as other’s(utd) don’t get the right one in
    straight away.look at how long it has taken pool and some say
    they are still way off the likes of citeh.

    i think afc are on a knife edge in the fact if a new manager
    comes in and get’s us top 4 again,what is the next challenge.
    would that be it.would the board of hours think job done,money
    in the bank?we are overacheiving?

    how many clubs get the next appointment right?i would say very
    few and when you look at the fact that when we have won titles
    we have nutured young home grown talent or bought them young
    and developed them into top players.

    let’s just say for arguments sake that the new manager does have
    just 50m to spend.that’s not going to get us back into the top
    4 let alone top 5 IMO.there’s a very good chance that i’ll be
    saying the same thing this time next year,and the year after.we
    all know that we need 4/5 top draw players and i haven’t heard
    one person say we need to just send 50m to get it right but more
    200m plus.

    by that assumption,given the fact we have the most fickle fans in
    the country,i can see them turning very quickly.not so much at
    the new manager but kroenke and gazidis in particular and all that
    will do is feed the poison right throughout the club again.while
    i’m glad we will have a new manager but i’m also old enough to
    know that not everything will be rosy as some might think it will.
    time will tell,mate.

    #1637557
    AndyC
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    Al not addressed solely to you more to anyone that think supporting this decision needs sectioning.
    you can get on his back as he isn’t a stupid man, he must realise how his own appointment would be completely against everything the fans want and what he can offer to us. Stupidity like that I expect from certain sections of our board but not from a man who A) was not loved by the fans B) can clearly see and hear what the fans are asking for. If he has any sense he’d turn it down and stay at city (fingers crossed) but if he is stupid enough to take this on then he deserves the stick.
    The ground was getting empty prior to Wenger announcement does anyone really think his appointment will bring more fans back? No of course it won’t it will push more away.
    As for peps comments on him does anyone seriously believe he was going to say bad things??? Come on people!
    The only thing Arteta has in his corner is that he understands the league. Can we get pep as his assistant?
    There is only one way having Arteta would work and that would be having someone like ancelotti or rangneck sitting just above him.
    I do not for one second believe we only have 50 million we have towed that line for last 6 years only to spend. We have money and lots of it. Do you announce that? Of course you don’t. The board have stumped up cash and that won’t stop, would rather not spend it of course.
    If we appoint Arteta and people get behind it then I’d be lost for words as to how anyone of those fans could of wanted Wenger out! Wenger was passed it but he was is and would be a better option than Arteta!

    #1637563
    AndyC
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    Al – I should add it wasnt aimed at you.
    I fail to understand how anyone can back Arteta when they’ve been looking for Wenger to go! Give me Wenger over Arteta any day of the week!

    #1637594
    the specialone
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    andy528 – The issue with Arteta is he’s never managed a football game in his life.Sure he has that tactical knowledge,and guardiola has sung praises for him but to manager is completely different.He’s just so young 36,he’s even played alongside some of our current players.Will he even have that imposing authority,or that respectful figure?I don’t know.Naglessman at hoffenheim is astonishingly only 30 and has done brilliant with the club.You never know,like i said if Arteta is going to come and has the balls to drop players like ozil(who are not always 100% committed or don’t play with the same intensity),then I’m all for it.Like I said whoever that comes in will be given that chance but in that first season itself he has to prove he’s taking us in the right direction and the mess wenger has left us is it would take a half decent manager to make us “progress”.

    I personally don’t concentrate only about trophies,it is secondary to me.But as a fan I want to see that passion and desire level which I haven’t seen in a long long time..

    #1637605
    Al The Gooner
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    Andy, first off I can tell you that it’s bringing me back. I’ve let a mate have my season ticket for the past two seasons. Now Wenger’s gone, I’m taking it back because I’m excited about a new era and there are a lot of Gooners who feel the same. So yes, I have no doubt that initially, the Emirates will be full again. After that, only time will tell.

    One thing working for any new manager is that Wenger has left the bar pretty low. If Arsenal start playing with desire and stop getting rolled over by relegation fodder, that’ll be an improvement. In the long term, he’s obviously going to have to do more than that but initially, most Gooners will at least wait and see.

    And again, you’re mixing up supporting the new manager, whoever he is, with supporting the board’s decision to appoint him. Neither you nor I have any idea how good or bad he will be so it would make little sense to get on his back from the first game, because he’s going to be given at least a season to prove himself.

    Unlike at Arsenal, the assistant manager actually has a bit of input at most clubs and Arteta has been heavily involved in City getting a record number of points, while learning from the best in the business. I can’t say if that’ll be good enough to make him a good manager or not, but neither can you or anyone else, so unless you’ve already made up your mind to be miserable for the next year, let’s wait and see what happens.

    #1637637

    muffler_1
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    @tso you cant slate Arteta with no management experience and at the same time praise Pep. Pep had only managed Barca B for one year when he took over Barca did he have enough experience no he did not. Everybody starts somewhere and who knows how it will pan out.

    Not saying that I would like us to get Arteta as coach Im saying that even experienced coaches fail.

    If Enrique as qouted demanded £15m a year when just succedeeding at Barca and failing everywhere else then I would also tell him to f off. Signing him on 3 year deal and then he fails that would mean a loss of £45 m we just cant act like Chelsea when it comes to managers.

    #1637639

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    I think whoever comes in, will have great difficulty with a 50 mil budget. Firstly cash must be made available to sort out defense and a midfield enforcer. A clean out of those who are not performing, step one.
    If Arteta is coming in, he will first have to control the “players union”. It seems as they have a strong group in the changing room, who have become too strong. They need to be re-focussed on what they should be doing, and that is on the field.
    I personally think Ramsey is a big part of this gaggle. My own opinion.
    I’m willing to give whoever comes in, my support. However, after Wenger, it will not be long term. I will want to see commitment and progress from day one.
    All roll players from owner, board, to the players in the Arsenal value chain, will have to step up. This club is on the edge and we don’t have the luxury of time to dither.

    As I’ve said before. I want the pride back in North London.

    Gooner for life.

    #1637698
    The Oracle
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    It would appear that Arteta is being interviewed today and I feel the decision may already have been made. Wenger has left the club in a perilous state with expensive players we cant get rid of for anything like we paid for them. We all know Mustafi, Xhaka, Welbeck arent good enough but the losses on these 3 will be astronomical. Cech and Ospina need replacing, will Chambers & Holding make it, will Abameyang and ballerina stay?. If the new manager is only going to be given £50m + incoming fees it just wont be enough to get us anywhere near. As I said many times keeping Wenger past his sell by date is going to take an awful long time to rectify and I dont see the next cab off the rank doing it. We really are in a mess, Ohhh why Ohh why didnt we go for Klopp 4 years ago?

    #1637753
    Al The Gooner
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    Steve, I have no idea how many managers it’ll take because all that will matter is when they appoint the right guy. If they fail three times, then it will take more than 2/3 managers.

    All I want to see from our new man is that we make progress every season, because that’s what we were missing under Wenger. How long it takes us to win a title again depends on the teams around us and I’m not sure anyone will be able to take on City while Pep is there. It was a task beyond even Maureen and he’s supposedly one of the top managers in the world, at the only other PL club able to compete financially.

    The very first thing the new manager has to do is work out which players need to be sold and which players just need a kick up their arse. Then he needs to match the system he wants to play, with the players he has left and those he brings in. If he does that, we’ll see an immediate improvement and at least get back in the mix, while the manager will have earned himself a second season.

    Again, I just don’t get this notion that we have a poor squad that no one can fix because if it’s that poor, then you know what Wenger’s few remaining fans will say, don’t you mate? They’ll say “See, Wenger was clearly doing the best he could with the resources he had”.

    There was a pro-Wenger poster on here who used to say he was looking forward to us finishing outside the top four when Wenger left and then we’d all see just how good a manager Arsene was. Well he didn’t have to wait until Wenger left for us to finish outside the top 4 but, if the next manager can’t do better with this squad than our last one did, I’m sure a particular section of Arsenal fans will be very vocal about it.

    #1637966

    steve68
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    Al.if you go on any clubs history,how man managers get it right
    after one that’s been successful?i would way very few if any.now
    we all wanted wenger out because we were so far adrift from the top
    of the prem lge,and we could see that we were getting worse not
    better,season in season out.

    if we get arteta,a rookie,it would spell it out loud and clear to
    me that all the afc board want is a “yes man”.i cannot see him
    attracting the best players and fans must not fall into this crap
    that’s he’s learned so much at citeh under guardiola.he’s a coach
    and he’s not exactly going to bring the 3/400m guardiola has spent
    at citeh.it’s a non ambitious appointment(if it happens) and i
    predict the fans will turn on kroenke and gazidis very soon.

    now i agree with you that we have a decent squad,but a lot of those
    players who play in the first team should not be in there.i can
    only predict 4 players that would stand any chance of playing for
    the top 5.aubamayang,ramsey,ozil,mkhitaryan.i don’t include any
    young players or those who have only played one season for us so
    far.we need at least 4/5 top signings that must be first team
    players next season.

    i tell you one thing that will happen.if we stagnate and are no
    different in our position in 5/7 years time then those fans who
    did want wenger to stay will point to the fact that he won a
    major trophy almost every other season.i think we are making a
    huge mistake if arteta is appointed but of course i’ll support
    him and want him to do well.can’t see it though.

    #1637995
    Al The Gooner
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    Steve, you ask how many managers have got it right after one that’s been successful, but we’ve hardly been successful, have we? All I’m expecting is that he improves us, season after season. What are you realistically hoping for with the new guy, at least in his initial season?

    I think anyone who comes in is going to be a ‘yes man’ but that’s the case at most clubs. Half the reason that Maureen never lasts very long anywhere is because he isn’t a ‘yes man’. I wouldn’t have called Wenger a ‘yes man’ either and look where that got us.

    I’d add Lacazette to players who would easily get into another top 6 side but a year ago, would you have listed Ox among those players? I wouldn’t have but if I didn’t know better, I’d think Liverpool’s Ox and our one are two different players. And I’m surprised you didn’t include Wilshere. I don’t rate the guy anywhere near as much as you do but I still think he’s top 6 quality.

    The new manager will have his own opinion on who’s good enough and who isn’t, but I want to see if he can do anything with the likes of Xhaka and Mustafi and let’s not forget that a couple of seasons ago, Bellerin was the only Arsenal player to make it into the PL team of the season.

    For years, we’ve been moaning that Wenger plays too many players out of position, can’t organise a defence, has no tactical nous and can’t motivate his players, so if the next guy can do at least that much, we will already have improved.

    With regards to Arteta himself, as Andy mentions above, it’s unlikely that Arteta was first choice. We know the board have at least tried to get Allegri but if the guy doesn’t want to come, we can’t force him. Enrique priced himself out, Klopp and Pep are already here. Maureen, even if he was available, would be a less popular choice than Arteta amongst many of us. There aren’t many top managers left and of those that there are, we have no idea how many, if any, turned us down flat before it even got to the interview stage. I’d certainly rather try Arteta than get someone like Allardyce in.

    #1638137

    Jeff
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    Who at the club was ever going to appoint Allardyce- are we fighting relegation, that’s all he’s good for. We should not be trying to see if Arteta will work. He’s been a coach for two seasons, he’s never managed at any level. We have stories in the gutter press these past few weeks and club- paid hacks like Jeremy Wilson, John Cross etc who spread news that supposed big managers have demanded xyz to come here! I wouldn’t necessarily believe any of them. Who knows if they’ve even been approached. There are very strong rumours around that Arteta has been up and down to London a lot in the past few weeks, rumours I know, but it would not surprise me in the slightest if all the supposed short-lists of managers have just been stalking horses to put Arteta in the job. I for one, do not welcome the risk of appointing someone to learn on the job, even if it does excite a few people. The Board will doubtless put Arteta in the position as that saves them money over virtually any other “candidate”. A quite ridiculous situation. So he’s learned on the job? Steve McClaren and Stewart Houston are examples who served as coaches to two great managers in Ferguson and Graham, so let’s not assume that Arteta can suddenly become a number one in his first ever job in that role!

    #1638221
    Al The Gooner
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    Jeff – ‘club-paid hacks’? Are you actually suggesting that Arsenal throw bungs at journalists to report what they want? That’s a serious accusation mate and one I imagine the FA and those journalist’s bosses would find very concerning. Perhaps what you mean is that said journalists have a particular opinion of Wenger and Arsenal that they get to print, while we only get to do it on forums such as this one.

    And who’s assuming that Arteta will be a top coach? Certainly there are people, that know him a lot better than you or me, who believe he has the potential to be a top coach, but I haven’t seen anyone suggest it’s a given.

    My point is simply that no one knows whether he’ll make a good coach and the only other option we know would definitely take the job is Vieira. I mentioned Allardyce because if people want a manager with experience in a top league, he could well be the only one available.

    More to the point, people are getting worked up when there’s nothing to get worked up about yet. We don’t know 100% that it will be Arteta and, if it is, we have no idea how good or bad he’ll be but, as I mentioned above, Wenger left the bar pretty low.

    Can only say again that some of you just seem determined to stay angry and miserable.

    #1638257

    fatmop
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    What we need I think is a manager who gives more confidence and more direction to the players than Wenger did. If you look at our home record on its own we’re up there with city, unfortunately I am not sure Arteta is the answer.

    A confindence boost would do these players good, we need someone able to get the most out them. To go to away grounds and play with confidence for 90 minutes and not crumble if we go behind. I think we need a strong leader someone strong enough to push to get the most out of Ozil and I can’t see Arteta doing that. Let’s face it he didn’t as captain. I personally don’t mind in giving an ex player a chance but I always said I wanted Vieira because he was a true talismanic leader or I’d even prefer Henry.

    All that said if Artera does come I’ll support him 100% why would anyone not? and you never know he might be fantastic although you don’t know what sort of football he’ll play. George Graham was nicknamed stroller as a player he certainly wasn’t like that as a manager!

    #1638313

    steve68
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    Al.3 fa cups in 4 years is successful but we all want a prem lge
    challenge and thats why wenger has left.i’ll support whoever was
    the new manager whether i agree with it or not but all us fans have
    been sold a big white lie.what was the point in leaving highbury
    if we are STILL going for manager’s with potential,rather than going
    for the ready made manager’s like allegri?

    yes we have bought a few big players for big cash but we have also
    made a fair bit back from sales.ie walcott,ox,got in abumeyang.if
    we get arteta it’s no different to how we operated while being at
    highbury.yes we got it right in graham and wenger but moving to the
    emirates was for us to compete for players and the top manager’s in
    world football.in getting arteta we are trying to make the same
    miracles from before.i honestly don’t get it and i can’t see it
    working out but of course i hope i’ll be proven wrong.

    wenger more or less got sacked for not producing a team that could
    challenge for the title.by that remit the new manager must be judged
    the same on 2 seasons and 4 transfer windows.i can’t see the top
    players wanting to play for arteta.we could be in a bigger mess than
    what we thought we were in.perry groves is right.it’s non ambitious.

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