Pellegrini ? Simeone ?Allegri ? Conte?Guus? or???

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  • #851753

    Dallas
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    Wf i agree we do look a whole lot better when we take it to the opposition more attacking wise and for some reason we like to ease our way into games big games especially but if it wasnt for a couple of great saves by a top quality keeper we wud have taken the three points

    #851903

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    There is often something to be gained by reading or hearing unpleasant news and it should surprise no-one that there is more unpleasant news around in bad times rather than good. Whether he couches his criticisms as nicely as you would all like, the plain facts are that “wise-fan” details many of the less palatable things going on at the moment and it would do other well to take note and listen….and if you don’t like the message move on. I have a feeling that, were the good times to suddenly return you may find “wise-fan” as effusive in his praise as anyone. He is accused of not understanding that things went downhill when Mourinho was fired…despite the contrary view that he was fired BECAUSE things were going downhill. Did anyone find anything to be “positive” about as we were losing four matches at Stamford Bridge?
    By the very presence of a “next match” culture, football and those who follow it tend to have a short-term attitude; thus people criticise Hiddink for only drawing and only winning two games having taken the side over even as we flirted with relegation places. It may not be great but at least it is better than it was; yesterday was a case in point. It is not idle to point out that we are NOT a club trying to extricate ourselves from years of poor achievement…we are the present CHAMPIONS. It is, again, not idle to ask how we have got to this and why so many delude themselves as to the cause. It is hard to create things, easy to destroy and we have got a bigger task on our hands now than many suppose. The trick will be to not build on sand.
    In his own way I think that this is what”wise-fan” is trying to say: dismiss his views as negative (and even this post if you are so minded) but that will NOT make the problems go away and those who run and manage our club have been presented with a monumental task in rebuilding where the biggest problem is that it came out-of-blue and from an unexpected source. In other words, lack of preparedness, just to answer those who put little store by PLANNING.

    #852028
    Pagan
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    Palmeab, I read your response about plans and philosophy, but not really sure which comes first, do you set what you want to be and the make a plan to get there, or plan what you want to be and then work out what you need to be to achieve it. For me I use the map analogy, you know where you are, you know where you want to be, you then plan your route, be it the slow steady route or the straight line. Either way you look at it we haven’t done either with the view to longevity in mind, it’s as you say run by a fan who just wants to see his team win. It’s not too late though, we now have a high profile in world football, a world class academy, we just need a football foundation to settle them on…Pagan

    #852247

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    Thank you for your reply: the “map” is a nice analogy. But, as you say yourself, you have to PLAN your route….and this is something which we have signally failed to do. Neither you nor I would leave our house without knowing why we are going out or how we plan to get there. And whether our objectives were modest or grandiose we would try to plan for the most efficient way to achieve our end. I just have a feeling that you might avoid using ten managers to get to the point where, in some circumstances, we are less well off now than we were at the outset: just an example. Before we incur the wrath of The Moderator I am going to leave this thread now; I just felt that, right or wrong, “wise-fan” was getting a raw deal.

    #852298
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    Thank you palmeab for understanding my point and where am coming from. I wish others could understand it. @999, apart from a 5 minute spell where United scored the goal, they have been on the back foot for much of second half.

    #852304

    nine nine nine
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    Back to the thread,watching City on Saturday was a tad worrying if Pellegrini is really on our hit list.

    I know City have a lot of injuries but they were really poor on Saturday not for the first time this season and 5-1 wouldn’t really have flattered Leicester, a lot of money has been spent but the squad is an ageing squad which will need some considerable surgery which suggests it hasn’t been managed very well and just like Chelsea City are struggling to bring through their own youngsters despite spending a fortune on the Academy.

    More questions than answers re Pellegrini imo.

    #852367
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    You once told me that we can’t judge a manager for a single match. If you judge him for the Liecester game, then may be you can also pick the Chelsea game earlier in the season. I’m not making a case for Pelligrini but let us wait untill the season is over. History will judge him. Liecester is having an inspired season and is capable of beating any team on their day. They have beaten Spurs, Chelsea, Liverpool and City.

    #852409

    nine nine nine
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    Wise fan, the clue in my post was in “not for the first time this season” maybe you missed that.

    Also the City squad has been allowed to age over the last two seasons, some of Pellegrini’s purchases have been poor and whilst everybody is clamouring for our young players go be given a chance that’s not happening at City.

    So as per the above I am not merely judging Pellegrini over one game but over the last couple of seasons and this season bar their first few games City have been poor despite some considerable spending again in the summer throw in the other aspects and I don’t think he’s right for us and thats before taking into account his tactical naievety at times.

    He is a charming man and would be a good PR appointment but……..!

    I don’t think it’s too much to get excited about though because I suspect if he isn’t on our B list he will be towards the bottom of our A list which means he wont be called upon.

    #852475
    Wise-fan
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    999, i had been saying this for sometime now, my preferred choice is Simone. But if Simone is beyond our reach That Germany national manager is my second. Am not saying Pelligrini is the best available there. But should he do the double at least this season, the he will have a case like the winner of last season. Currently 6 points is not a big gap with 13 games to play, i won’t rule out him doing the double. And should he do the double it will be 4 trophies in 3 seasons and that is impressive at least. I don’t know this tactical genius you are talking about. The game is either lose or win not go for draw. We have had a tactical messiah before and it failed to work, we failed to dominate. Let us try something different. Not many managers do twice the double in two season. And him competing in all fronts makes him appealling. One defeat will not change my opinion.

    #852649
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    Spot on 999, i’m with you on that one, while Manuel Pellegrini remains a very calm and nice man, the let us not forget that City have not beaten a top 6 team this season. yes you would say they have beaten Chelsea, but Chelsea is not in top 6. but the current top 6 vs City is, D L L D L that is not good enough for a team aspiring to win the league, compared to our win last season season, we have only lost to Spurs in the top 6 last season. facing an inform and full of confidence Spurs will be a litmus test for him on Sunday. IMHO we should go nowhere near Manuel Pellegrini.

    #852700

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    Personally, I’m not a fan of Pellegrini as our next manager, given the squad he inherited at City and players he has bought in, Mangala, Otamendi, Bony,De Bruyne and Sterling all for big money, whilst their playing style is very good, he seems to make the same mistakes repeatedly and doesn’t seem willing to adapt his style. City can only play one way and usually its more than enough, but when it gets challenging he doesn’t seem to know what to do. Given the big transfer fees, poor record against rivals, zero use of the academy whatsoever can’t say I look forward to him as our manager although I fully respect him.

    #852775
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    let us not victimize manager for the players their clubs sign. players that City and Chelsea sign are mainly down to the Director of Football. if that is not the case, our previous regime signed that defender who was loaned out to German league, did anyone of you believe that that play was the manager’s signing? the same applies to Pellegrini, he has little say who comes and who goes. he has also signed De Bruyne and Sterling. manager at City and Chelsea have little say about the transfers. otherwise Pellegrini has done a good job at City i don’t know why some of you underestimate his success at City. he has won the double in first season at City, qualified for the knockout stage for the 3rd successive season. and is still within a shout for the league, in the league cup final, 5th round of FA cup, Champions league last 16. some the managers we applaud have not achieved that feat this season. the only limitation is his age and his association with one of our rivals. but he is a good alternative who we can turn to if necessary.

    #852778

    nine nine nine
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    Wise fan, Simeone despite his combustibility, £15m buy out clause, and the fact that he doesn’t speak English all of which are far from ideal would be my first choice too! Although seemingly he doesn’t want to leave Athletico he is probably our best fit football wise if we could get him.

    Joachim Loewe I wouldn’t go anywhere near and I suspect Roman will have a similar view given our previous experience of appointing an international Manager.

    Loewe has been out of club management for 10 years now and prior to that managed at low level clubs with very limited success yes he won the World Cup as Manager of Germany which is a major feat but so did Scolari and that was a disatorous appointment because after years as an internstiona Manager he struggled with the rigours of day to day club management in a League he didn’t know and Loewe would suffer from exactly the same problems and for those reasons I can’t see Roman going there.

    Nothing to get excited about though because I am sure if there was any interest from Chelsea in Loewe we would have heard something about it by now.

    I do find your support for Simeone and Pellegrini interesting though because your two main stated requirements of a new Chelsea Manager are 1) to play attacking football and 2) bring through our Academy players to the first team both of which of course are great objectives albeit difficult ones to achieve especially when you throw in your third objective which is to win trophies.

    However Simeone is not known for his attacking football in fact the reverse he is a very tactical Manager who likes his teams to play on the counter attack and Pellegrini despite almost three years at City hasn’t bought any of their young players through from Academy to first team. So neither one meets one or other of your stated requirements for a new Chelsea Manager?

    #852817

    nine nine nine
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    Wise fan, suggesting that all Chelsea’s signings are made by Emenalo is total and complete nonsense,

    Djilobodji was a Emenalo recommendation in the last days of the summer transfer window as a stop gap signing after the chase for John Stones had failed and we were short of bodies in the central defender area and Mourinho approved that signing and clarified at the time that although it was not a player he knew personally as it was impossible for him to know every player he had confidence in the recommendation which after all was not a major signing but a stop gap signing in case of emergencies.

    Ancelotti is on record as stating that nobody was signed at Chelsea during his tenure that didn’t have his approval and that they wouldn’t have come in if that was not the case and the same will be true now!

    If what you are trying to claim was really true then we really would have significant problems in attracting a top Manager!

    #852847
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    999, i had on record that one of Simone’s reservation about the job is that he wants full say about the transfers who comes and who goes. if the managers were in total control i think Simone wouldn’t have had that concern. may be he knows something that you and I don’t. besides that Pellegrini has done a very good job job at City. he has achieved two requirements, Good football and trophies. its impossible to get the ideal candidate. i think he has already joined City. so what we should go is for the one that can rebuild. i’m not advocating for Pellegrini but it will be stupid to completely dismiss him. liking the manager is one thing and his record and success is another. if i’m to choose a manager today, you know who i will choose. but that will not happen at least in the next 3 years. now i will go for the second best. Simone remains that option, but while he says its interesting to join a club of Chelsea caliber, he has some concerns about the job. Conte has not given any signal about whether he is interested the job. while Allegri has distanced himself from the job. Pellegrini said that his main focus is to deliver trophies at City in his last season. between Allegri and Pellegrini, aside from the age i will pick Pellegrini all day.

    #852850

    nine nine nine
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    Wise fan, Really? yet Simeone has never spoken about the Chelsea job to the media so how would you have that on record?

    Thankfully you I and everybody else on here don’t get a pick. Lol!

    #852868

    nine nine nine
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    The Express run with a story today that Jove will turn to Pellegrini if Chelsea take Allegri?????

    #852877

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    Apart from the fact that it is reported that Juve have issued a “hands off” warning to Chelsea regarding Allegri there is a separate report indicating that Juve would be interested in Pellegrini thus paving the way for Chelsea to get Allegri

    As stated before, there will be many twists and turns before we actually find out the identity of our new manager. KTBFFH

    #852883

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    Not only did City look poor at the weekend but I thought the after match interview from Pellegrini was poor

    Apart from the off field benefits that it would appear that Pellegrini could bring to Chelsea, I am still far from convinced regarding his overall tactical approach. I do like the way that Pellegrini hardly tries to play defensively and likes attacking football but there are times, as Jose has clearly shown, where you have to be a bit more astute and shut up shop, even for a while during a game, just to get yourselves back into a match

    As I have said before, with Pellegrini we could do a lot worse but I still cannot get rid of the niggling doubt in the back on my mind…? KTBFFH

    #853057
    Romansdirtypants
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    1905. I was against his appointment when his name came up before the return of Jose. I breathed a sigh of relief when City took him on. His record against the top six this season speaks for itself. The BBC were running a buzzfeed stat or something on the weekend. It’s no different while he was in Spain when against Pep, Jose et all. Yes, they play ok football, but without key players they look lost. I’m also slightly baffled about his use of youth. Over the last few games, Sterling has been used as a substitute and his form has been patchy all season… It’s a no from me because his tactic against the competitors has been to kick them off the park. Nice guy but not Chelsea material imo.

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