Next manager please

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  • #1614483

    nine nine nine
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    RDP, yep add Carlo sacked after winning a Double, RDM sacked after winning the CL and the FA Cup and Mourinho sacked after winning the title.

    As I keep saying the club’s problems go much deeper than just Conte and appointing another Manager without addressing those problems is just taking a sticking plaster to it and we will be back to square one in two years!

    #1614492

    bluepylon
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    Surely by now us fans have realised Roman is about the here and now
    Objectives are set, he then remunerates a coach very well to meet those objectives, if not met he gets rid pretty simple and the model of winning trophies had worked
    So on that basis conte will be gone and a new one in place for next season

    #1614497
    Wise-fan
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    Let us take this down. yes he has won the league in his first season. but there were factors that influenced that. we had a good striker back then, we had a solid midfield. and that credit has been going to the manager in charge. no one was criticizing the club, and more importantly all was rosy in the garden. now all of a sudden we lost the prolific striker we had. we also lost the midfield solidity we had then. teams had figured how to counter our formation. what was required was the manager to be smart and change formation to utilise what he had at our disposal instead of moaning about players who either has turned us down or who he has mistreated. even though the club has backed him heavily in the summer.

    I’m in the camp that feels we are better without him. he is another Mourinho in the making. constantly falling out with the players. There are been reports that his relationship with Hazard is strained and that is what is causing the decline in performance. i won’t rule out also with Courtois his relationship may be strained after that comments against the United game. a new manager and going back to back four and less of Moses featuring will give our sharpness back.

    #1614499

    nine nine nine
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    Lots of speculation over the last couple of days in respect of Luis Enrique with the suggestion that Enrique is waiting to see Arsenal’s managerial plans as he would prefer Arsenal over Chelsea.

    If Enrique is really at the top of the clubs list to replace Conte as has been speculated and there is any truth in the above I would hope that the club would move on to another managerial target quickly.

    But as with everything from “Roman wants to retain Conte” to the Enrique rumours it’s difficult to separate fact from fiction and only a handful of people probably Roman and his trusted few truly know what really is going on with all this.

    #1614502

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    The manager of a team decides the style and tactics he wants to play. As a result he needs to be able to decide what players he wants in order to play his way. Why on earth does our club believe that buying players for the manager to coach is the right approach. Is this the attitide of suits who believe that all footballers are the same and therefore any decent coach should be able to get any player to play how he wants?! This is why Salah was so poor here under Jose who plays in a way that doesnt suit the player whereas at Liveepool the managera style suits the player and look at the result. All those who believe Antinio is a poor manager forget what he has achieved. I am fed up hearing that he got rid of Costa -utter cr*p -he wanted to leave and the manager never wanted to let Matic go!
    Ask Pep if he would manage a team that has a suit deciding who to buy and who to sell -oh no wait no need -we already know – he turned us down by all accounts!!

    #1614505

    nine nine nine
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    Gibblue, that’s the problem right there mate and getting rid of Conte and appointing Enrique or anyone else won’t solve that problem and we will be back to where we are now within two years if we don’t sort out our structures and transfer strategy.

    If you give Pep £250m more to spend over two seasons than Conte and let Pep buy who he wants as City have then why is anyone surprised City sit where they do and Chelsea sit where we do.

    #1614517

    bluepylon
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    Guys your kinda contradicting yourselves
    You say it’s not contes fault as not his players yet he coached a team to win the Pl last season
    Yet this season he has fallen well short, so which is it to be.
    Our model works, end of so the new coach in the summer will have the same objectives and will be well remunerated and there will always be takers
    Repeating posts now 😀
    But do agree it’s madness the transfer policy adopted in particular the last three seasons, and can we please leave out the mention of Salah, I just wanna cry😭😭😂😂

    #1614578

    Gibblue
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    Bluepylon -no it’s not a contradicción mate as many point out we won the league as thats all we had to concentrate on! We all knew the workload would be more and to say our model works clearly shows you only watch every other season! Lol.

    #1614579
    Chelsea.man
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    In my humble opinion Conte deserved to be backed like a title winning boss supposed. but what our club did was work behind him and stab him. how was Matic allowed to go to United? and Conte has been publicly said that was against his wish. then he requested Alex Sandro, but the club refused to meet the asking price. how foolish was that? and what price shall we pay? we will know when the season is over. he wanted Belloti, and Turino valued him £86m at the time. but the club refused to meet the asking price. what is the point of a coach amking suggestions when the club will not agree? he wanted Danilo from Real Madrid. but the club dragged that deal for months, opening the door for City to snatch him from under our noses.

    Ok he may have wanted Morata, and Morata isn’t a bad choice either, but he was his plan B. Bakayoko was a good player at Monaco, and everyone was excited about him. i remember so many posters who are now calling him crapyoko has been excited when we signed him. our problems are lack of goal scoring. we don’t blow teams out like our rivals do. i remember before we even clinched the league last season, Conte has been shouting that we need more signings in the summer to compliment our current stars. but his pleas has fallen in to deaf ears. while City and United were arming themselves we gave them a helping hand. by selling Matic to United. who made that decision? i can tell you that is not Conte. who signed Drinkwater , Zapacosta, Emerson, Barkley and Rudiger? even i don’t believe Giroud wasn’t his choice. but still the same people who were celebrating when we won the league when we would have never dreamt in a million years. remember our objective in the 20016/17 was to qualify the CL. we got the league title. now our objective hasn’t changed, we need to finish in the top four, and on top of that we had the FA cup to compete for. but some are having a field day taking every opportunity calling for Conte to go. i took time to look at their posts in this time last season. they were solidly behind Conte, now they are anti Conte. the only guy who has been anti Conte consistently is wisefan. and you know what he wants. its impossible to put Pep in charge now.

    And finally only history will judge Antonio Conte. because he came to the club when we had been at our lowest point since Roman bought the club. he has lifted our spirits and now suddenly we are demanding back to back titles in the league. Personally i won’t forget his work, he will be remembered for the success he has brought. others could say whatever they want. but for me he was and is a great manager and i’m a massive fan of him. and if he wins the cup and delivers the top 4. then he will have a big thing to bargain for. there is nothing that is called a model that a club uses. but there is what we call necessity, the people who operate with should make the decision. someone who is in the office can’t know what happens on the pitch. yet they dictate to the professional who played and won it as a player, and won it as a manager, and not in one league but in two leagues. yet he is to face the wrath of the fans here, at least he has the support of our match going fans. give the man the benefit of the doubt. because this man faces unwarranted, unjustified criticism by some of our managers here. this man will deliver the objectives, just trust him. has any one of us got a coaching experience? have we ever won a league? have we ever coached a club? have we ever coached a Nation? have we signed players? have we scouted for a player? have we got coaching badges? yet we are rushing to question the man who has got all of the above mentioned qualifications. where is the world heading? i hope he is vindicated.

    #1614587
    aindro
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    How about sticking with Conte but give him a backing in the summer window? Agree, Matic should have been retained. We bought Zappa, Drinkwater, Barkey, Palmieri: second class players. We can’t expect to win like this, can we?

    We need 2-3 world class players. Players like Griezmann, Lewandowski, Verratti or Dybala. And on top of that, we need Hazard and Courtois to stay. If Utd want to sell Pogba or Martial, it would be good if we can get any of them for not too expensive.

    #1614620

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    Roman owns the Club and has a business model that clearly in his opinion works. That is a fact as the trophies and titles are testament to that. The fact that the model is not a conventional one does NOT make it wrong – just different

    All managers appointed at Chelsea will be aware beforehand of the “pitfalls” if that is how it should be described and the expectations and I am totally sure that all the in house rules and regulations are clearly spelt out at the job interview. If a manager still chooses to join then IMO he has no right to complain. If he does has grievances then these should be kept in house and try to be resolved amicably and not in public

    As for being a coach well I would argue that some players have not met the expectations so is Conte really focussing on his coaching? This season he is now coming across as rather abrasive and is confronting players which can be seen to be causing rifts and inconsistencies in our games (remind you of anyone especially when they are not winning…?)

    Ideally I would love the Club and Conte to kiss and make up and for us to play to our strengths which is quite a good brand of football, however, being realistic I think this is very unlikely. KTBFFH

    #1614621

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    Aindro – are you allowed to actually request that we spend large when I thought that promoting from within was the only way forward….!!!! KTBFFH

    #1614645

    nine nine nine
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    Gianfranco’ View.

    “It is easy to say Antonio Conte is not happy. He is a winner, and has always been like that since he was a player,’ Zola told the BBC. ‘He wants things to go his way and right now they are not, so he cannot hide his disappointment. ‘I genuinely think he is a good fit for Chelsea, one of the best coaches around, and as I want the best for Chelsea so hope his stays. There are a few issues, but hopefully they solve them.’ Gianfranco Zola

    #1614680
    Wise-fan
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    Chelsea.man

    I wish to correct you that i’m not anti Conte. i’m anti defensive coach, any coach that plays negative and defensive football have no place in my heart. and i don’t know why you and others always keep on bringing back this Pep debate. we have done that to bed. and just watch this season if you want more answers. this season we are awful as we have been in the second half of last season. because we have won 13 successive wins last season has done us good and made sure we build a good lead. but in the second half we had been a little rigid at a times winning by 1 goal margin. and this season we started from were we left off at Wembley in that final FA cup. have you watched how awful we were?

    Teams have figured about our tactics, both Arsenal and Spurs have ditched the back 3. but we are stuck with it. because our coach is clueless about changing formations. may God save us from this disaster !

    #1614681
    Romansdirtypants
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    Bp- got some tissues for salah and plasters and bandages for lukaku and kdb…

    70 odd goals between them… umm

    #1614724

    nine nine nine
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    How stupid that was of Conte to let those three go!😊

    But it’s a lesson in short termism and one we will continue to repeat if we don’t give Managers sufficient time to build something more meaningful but if we continue to look for instant success it’s the very thing that gets in the way of bringing young players through from the Academy and means you just go and buy the finished articles and sacrifice the potential of the KDB’s etc.

    Managers need time and patience not sacking a season after they’ve won a title where would have United been had they not given SAF the 4 years without a trophy? Their history would have been very different.

    The internet Chelsea fans and newbies can’t cope with a trophyless season or two how on earth would they have coped with the period from 1972 to 1996? And now you’ve got to seemingly win a title playing like the great Brazilian international sides too but there’s more than one way to play this great game of ours and be successful.

    #1614734
    Romansdirtypants
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    9’s… nothing to do with conte but the similarities between him and Jose are quite stark. The talent that we can all see may not materialise if they’re never used. Incidentally, which is exactly what happened to the three musketeers who were sold…

    Anyhow, don’t expect conte to be here past the summer and I’m alright with Thursday night football… it’s quite a good way to blood youth for cl exposure the following year… transition is the name of the game this summer… but it won’t happen

    #1614738

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    Lets be fair here. Both Lukaku and KDB wanted games and at the time Jose decided they were not good enough. The only reason they would not wait was because they needed the games for the WC. Of course in hindsight it is easy to say that the wrong decision was taken…?

    As for Salah, my recollection was that he killed us in a couple of CL games, came to Chelsea and was absolute crap – which is why we loaned/sold him (pretty similar story for Cuadrado as well I recall)

    Again, very easy in hindsight to say mistakes are made. I would argue that obviously managers like Jose are paid millions to get those decisions correct but inevitably mistakes will be made. If you then add ego’s into the equation (which for certain managers you have to) then sometimes those level headed decisions are far more emotional and then become irrational

    Should Jose have given those 3 more promises and more time…? I guess for the money he is paid then probably yes but again, a manager under pressure at Chelsea to deliver so the call was made. Just happened to have got it wrong…!! KTBFFH

    #1614740
    notnice
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    I have no problem with us playing in the Europa as seems almost certain as we are unlikely to win all our remaining matches and 5 points behind at this stage is I fear too much esp. as the teams above us are in top form except for United who nevertheless still have a great deal of good fortune going for them. If proven wrong then great I will be a very happy chappie. Better than 2 seasons ago when we could not make the top 8 after winning the league and with all the stars including Matic and Costa.

    #1614777

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    notnice – if we beat Spurs and then they lose to City which is quite possible then we go ahead of them I believe. Trouble is that City could have the league wrapped up by then and take their foot of the pedal. We also have Liverpool to play at home and if they drop points on the way then….?

    I guess being realistic based on the form over the season to date it is a big ask but my feeling is that we now only have the FAC and the league so we can focus on these and now get more of a mid week break as well. Maybe that will help us and if a couple of players return to form (will the Morata goal at the weekend kick start his season and if someone can find a taxi for Hazard to bring him back to the Bridge…) then who knows

    Everything crossed for a few weeks at least. KTBFFH

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