North Korea Guam missile strike plan 'ready by mid-August'

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  • #1514739

    mufc
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    Is this nutter trying to provoke the USA on purpose?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-40883372

    #1514753
    banjo_chuckers
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    You could very easily say is that nutter trying to provoke North Korea on purpose?

    #1514756

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    Swings both ways lol.

    #1515044
    liquidator
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    Breathtaking level of brinkmanship from North Korea. I would be very worried if I liven in South Korea or Japan, but if NK act they are ultimately doomed.

    #1515065
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    Thankfully (and to a degree slightly surprisingly) China have issued possibly the most sensible ultimatum in the circumstances and put a line in the sand for both sides… hopefully Tweedledum and Tweedledee will now both shut-up.

    #1515084
    liquidator
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    Let’s hope so, although is about bloody time the Chinese stepped up on this issue.

    #1515107
    MacGuffin
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    I can understand NK. USA supports the re-unification of Korea and the end to the regime in NK. USA has a history of military (and covert) intervention to bring about regime changes. How can a dictator of a small country defend himself from the USA. Nukes and the ability to strike mainland USA is the only way. If Gaddafi or Saddam had nukes would USA have intervened there? If Assad had them would USA be arming the Syrian rebels.

    Like it or not NK is going to get nuclear ICBMs. It’s only a matter of time. China doesn’t seem concerned about it and if they are supporting the regime you can bet they will supply them with the technology and resources.

    The danger is though, that using sanctions to keep the country poor NK will supply arms (and potentially nukes) to anybody who has the money to buy them.

    The only solution I can see is the drastic opposited to the policy of past decades. Help develop the economy of NK. Make them rich. Make them capitalist. And thereby bring about the internal social change for a coup or rebellion to overthrow the government.

    PS – Surely the biggest threat would be for NK (or anybody) to have dirty nukes or chemical biological WND stored in basements of US cities.

    #1515139
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    Not going to disagree with most of that post Mac, but surely your solution, namely bribing NK to get rid of them, is only going to cause other nations to simply follow NK’s path? i.e. threaten to build some nukes and act like a tit cause you’re going to get billions handed on a plate to you?

    Also, I’m sure somebody in NK has/is thinking about a coup for exactly that reason, and most certainly have over the years, yet we still have the current dick in charge…

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    The US “bribes” countries all the time. Israel Egypt both get billions in miliatry aid as a bribe to stop them going to war. US foreign aid programs are basically bribe programs,

    BUT I’m not talking about a bribe. I’m talking about helping to build the economy like the US did with South Korea. Build factories, buy their products, help the country out of poverty. My thinking is based on the observation that the richer the country (economy) the more stable, democratic and peaceful it becomes.

    As it stands North Korea and North Koreans have nothing to lose. Give them something to lose, like decent homes, decent lifestyles etc.

    Got a better suggestion?

    PS – The tinpot nations cannot get to nuclear that fast. NK has been developing for decades (with Chinese help) and are only now on the threshold. Had they not been next to China, had they been in middle east or Africa the USA would have overthrown the regime long ago.

    #1515175
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    I certainly don’t have a better idea…that’s for sure!

    Anyway, wouldn’t think the “Make America Great” crap Trump keeps coming out with would allow him to causally mentioned the creation of dozens of factories etc… would allow him to go down that path… not saying it’s wrong, just unlikely!

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    China have said they would stay neutral or any conflict between the US and NK providing the US don’t carry out the first attack?

    All very dangerous and millions would die in both North and South Korea and the surrounding areas and both China and Russia border North Korea which makes it even more dangerous.

    This has all the ingredients of potentially starting a World War and who knows how that might end.

    Pray for Peace.

    #1515253
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    Not sure the NK regime is ready for our version of capitalism. I think they prefer the monarchy they have in place, safe that they have lives of riches and comfort, whilst their people are oppressed and poor.

    #1515410

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    Welcome back MacGuffin.

    #1515592

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    “Is this nutter trying to provoke the USA on purpose?” Well, you started this thread MUFC, so what do you think yourself? So far you’ve received two articulate assessments from Mac, a 50/50 response from Liquid, and got 999 praying for peace.
    Now instead of just sending yet another link to a story that is easily accessed by all, why not let us know your own thoughts and enlighten us by voicing an opinion of your own? Just to beef things up on here a little.
    Go on, you can do it, give it a try, be a devil.

    #1515625

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    Mac, agree with pretty much everything with the exception of “. My thinking is based on the observation that the richer the country (economy) the more stable, democratic and peaceful it becomes.”

    Stability yes, peaceful? Most certainly not in my humble opinion. Humans like to conquer, a richer nation has more resources to conquer with. The US would be the extreme example I
    Would use to substantiate the point

    #1515626

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    Lenny, care to share your opinion also?

    My thoughts are it’s not the best time to be living in HK…

    China is clearly uncomfortable with NK and their actions however while NK is annoying the US and Japan the Chinese are happy to watch things develop. common enemies make strong bonds. However, if one of those missiles/test launches was to go horribly wrong and land near the mainland or SCS disputed island things would change very quickly…

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    @banjo_chuckers – Is “Make America Great Again” an admission that America is not great?

    Yes, on the face of it economically developing NK may fly in the face of MAGA but so does Ivanka importing all her clothing from China and Mar-a-lago hiring foreign staff. I’m sure Trump can come up with some excuse his supporters would believe. After all, they believe Washington Post etc is fake news whereas wrestling is real sport.

    Really though it needs to be a multinational effort. International alliance is used to economically cripple NK, the same alliance could be used to develop it.

    #1515636
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    @liquidator – They could short term at least have the level of society China has. It’s a stepping stone. All China needs to do is to relocate its garment sweatshops and for Ivanka to buy Korean crap instead of Chinese crap.

    #1515637
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    @HK Blue – Becoming rich means you have more to lose from waging war. USA only entertains war against nations who cannot bomb their country clubs. USA would not bomb NK if Ivanka’s garment suppliers had their factories there ! The US will not attack if the bottom line is a financial loss to those who hold power.

    I suspect China is very comfortable with NK. China has helped them develop nukes. China keeps them economically afloat. I bet you all the military leaders are in the pay of Beijing and would take orders from China.

    Trump obsession with NK and desire for Chinese help means he is kissing their asses. Has he declared China a currency manipulator on “day 1” as he promised. China is playing him using NK as the “villain”.

    #1515639
    MacGuffin
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    IF Trump believes China can do something about it (it can) and China is supporting the regime there (it is) then the answer would be to apply pressure on China. Sanctions on China would spur them into action, create US jobs, improve the trade balance etc.

    Only downside is Ivanka can’t charge 5th Avenue prices for cheap Chinese garments made in sweatshops.

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