Players to lose their starting 11 position

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    nocturnal_red
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    lallana, Firmino

    a new midfielder and Coutinho possible playing deeper means that lallana will post certainly miss out on a starting spot
    A new forward would also probably mean that Firmino drops out unless we play a front three of Firmino,mane and the new forward and a midfield of Coutinho,new mid and either Can/Hendo holding with gini missing out?

    Lovren becoming a third choice is a must for me

    Milner looks like he’ll keep his place atleast at the start of the season given that we’re looking to sign Sessegnon

    #1485446
    AK
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    I don’t see a drastic change to our starting 11 i think it will be more gradual it all depends on who we buy.

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    Sean the sailor
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    Might be harsh but lalanna shoukd drop out for me. Vastly improved but he should be fighting for his place every week

    Lovren has to drop out. Milner has done really well but we need a proper left back.

    I like firmino. He can be absolutely class. He had a good season but he can do so much more.

    i think clynne is our best defender but going forward is a problem. Klopp expects more hos full backs going forward. Be no suprise if the rumours are true and he is sold but he’s a solid player who is never injured. Consistent so be no problem if he stayed

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    nocturnal_red
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    AK agree it depends on who we buy, but if we don’t buy atleast 2/3 players who are an improvement on our starting 11 then that would be a disappointing summer imo,

    Sean agree Firmino is class and Klopp adores him, but accommodating him,Mane a new striker and Coutinho will be difficult and imo he’ll be the one to miss out if we really buy a top forward
    regardless Firmino and lallana should be able to see plenty of game time due to rotation,injuries, form etc

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    Bob-Notts
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    They’ll all get some decent game time and depends what system we go with but Lallana, Lovren, Milner.

    I think Firmino could get a little less game time too if we get the striker and another explosive wide player.

    #1485563

    gingerlfc
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    Klopp loves Firmino.
    When fit (even only 80%) he’s started him.
    Can’t see that massively changing.

    #1485583

    liverlad
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    I agree with you Noc-Red , I keep prattling on about Firmino, if the team wants to progress we can’t play him as he is far too inconsistent, he is a wonderful player when on song though.
    Lallana has definitely improved, but should be a bench player/

    Another problem I see is when Henderson returns is what to do with Wiji, I don’t like the idea of the both in the same team, unless Wiji is played a different role than of now.

    Ideally we need a left back, central defender, & a free scoring striker/forward. of course easier said than done.

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    MrMakaveli
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    Regards Firmino’s consistency. Most of the time that he isn’t playing well is when he’s played out of position on the left and then on the right the odd time. I think he’s fine as a striker. He’s not as clinical as we might want but he’ll only develop that by being played correctly. For me the problem isn’t accommodating him but he’s being moved to accommodate others. If we were to get a better striker that he could work with then he might still work on the left next season. Origi’s lack of game intelligence makes the front 3 look flat. Sturridge comes in towards the end and we were looking dangerous again and he barely touched the ball. .

    It’s hard to say who should lose their place, I like the idea of getting the players in and saying “right, make me chose you”. I’m not comfortable with the idea that it’s gonna be : Firmino, Wijnaldum and Lallana, you guys are out because they were some of our best performers in our CL play off qualifying season.

    #1485649

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    The one player I am worried about is our captain, other than that I think Milner will lose his left back spot.

    #1485673
    nocturnal_red
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    “If we were to get a better striker that he could work with then he might still work on the left next season.”

    Yes Mak the times he has played on the flanks has coincided with us not having our best players on the pitch and generally poor going forward, So I think he’ll do well wherever he’s asked to play as we know Klopp likes his front three to play with freedom

    I am not saying these players should/will drop out, I am a great fan of these guys but we need to improve competition for places and the only way to do it is to bring in players that are better than our current 11

    #1485677
    nocturnal_red
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    Bingo I know it’s a cliche but Hendo will be like a new signing when he comes back, hopefully his injury problems will be behind him next season

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    mwake
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    I agree with Mr Mak, I feel Firminio has never really played in the position he was bought in for, but has still done an admiral job. Here’s definately not a striker but played there more often than not. I see him partnering with a quality striker, with Firminio as support position.

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    But honestly though I don’t expect anyone to lose their spot, we got 20-30 extra games next season, we will need to rotate.
    I expect more competition for the goalkeeper, center back, fullback, the midfield, outside and upfront though.
    Mignolet might lose out, Lovren, Milner, and Clyne might do the same, I can see Henderson struggling again with injuries, I highly doubt we will ever see Lallana operating as a forward ever again. A fine midfielder but he lacks the directness a forward needs.
    It’s a make or break for Origi next season, increased competition could make him into fringe player but let’s keep it in mind that he only scored one less goal than Firmino, who I got to say I was disappointed with, he needs to be more ruthless upfront. I can actually see him competing further back next season.
    Finally I highly doubt we will ever see a bench made out of 18 year olds in a league game

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    That’s exactly it Mwake, the Support Striker role would really suit Firmino. The guy is as sharp as a tac and needs almost no space to operate in. He’s nibble as you can be and has a great eye for a short touch tot he side or through ball. If we’re to play 442 some times next season then it would be nice to have a real natural goal scorer to feed off Coutinho and Firmino.
    I can see us using the 442 and 433 next season depending on who we’re facing (as we should I guess). You can’t just roll up and play how you want in the PL anymore, well not entirely anyway. . . So, maybe Firmino will lose his place in the 433 if/when we sign someone who’s better at that role than him (brandt or etc). . I’d be happy with that scenario I think.

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    Bingo I agree with a lot of that but the comparison between Origi and Firmino is something I am not feeling at all. In raw goal scoring stats they are very similar but their actual contribution to the game and Klopp’s style of play are incomparable. Origi is a better finisher than Firmino, he’s also probably quicker and a better header of the ball but after that, I think Firmino has him on everything. I’m not only thinking of a list to compare them technically, Firmino is always in a better position than Origi and he will come back and work hard. He’s got a footballing brain, whereas Origi does not.

    I too wish Firmino had that killer instinct, I think if he had the chance to play CF all season that we’d have quite a few more goals to look at but he has scored some excellent ones and let’s not easily forget that he has 7 assists in the league also.

    If i were to pick a player that I’m disappointed in, I’d probably pass on Origi because it’s much more severe for me, the guy frustrates me to hell and I can’t believe we have him in our team. it’s Heskey all over in ways.

    #1485858
    Rob Fort Worth TX
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    You and I have always agreed Sean on Clyne’s contribution ‘with the ball.’ Two assists all season from a full back isn’t good enough. Too many times with Clyne the play either ends with a misplaced pass or a cross that is piss poor. I know we want defenders to defend first but you’d expect a full to contribute more in the attacking third. Milner on the right and a new left back? Segues nicely onto my next post…….

    #1485867

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    Yeah I think Firminos best position may be as 2nd/support striker with the amount of selfless running he does and the chances he creates.
    I think that’s the position he played with Hoffenheim when he scored 22 in a season but not sure how that would work in our current formation of 4-3-3.

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    Bob-Notts
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    It all depends on whether Klopp gets his first choice targets, if he does as I said I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see Lallana (for example) on the bench. He can still come on and contribute or start where required but the important thing is that some of these guys won’t be regular starters as we have no other quality options

    #1486146

    Big_Balls
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    cant see any of the current front 6 losing their place, injuries and rotation will keep them all happy. If anything both Milner and Clyne need to watch their backs

    #1486249
    shanksy
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    Lovren (can’t believe he got a new contract) Milner, we need a proper lb and Firmino because he is too inconsistent. Probably need a keeper as well because I’m still not convinced by Migs.

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