Ref Review: Man Utd lucky; Chelsea & Liverpool hard done by

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    Mark Holmes
    Mark Holmes
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    Manchester United were lucky, while Chelsea and Liverpool were on the wrong end of bad decisions at the weekend, say our Ref Review panel.

    [See the full post at: Ref Review: Man Utd lucky; Chelsea & Liverpool hard done by]

    #727250

    liverpool_1986
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    Why am I not surprised that the article supposedly created to monitor the “big” decisions in games has again missed 2 blatant ones during the Liverpool game. Both Coloccini and Anita should have been shown red cards for dangerous challenges. Coloccini’s was a two footed lunge which was downright disgusting and Anita was a studs up challenge over the ball and could have broken Joe Allens ankle. Can we review all the big decisions and not just pick and choose, if this column is going to continue.

    #727286
    Mark Holmes
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    We discussed them, but nobody thought they were worth debating. They weren’t red cards.

    Every fan believes the world is biased against their club. It’s not true.

    #727298

    liverpool_1986
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    So in your honest opinion you think a 2 footed jumping tackle is neither reckless nor dangerous? And the same goes for a studs challenge which goes over the ball and lands on the top of a players ankle. Because that is the criteria for the red card on those types of challenges. And they were both dangerous and reckless and thus worthy of the red card. But why am I debating or surprised from a fan of Ryan Shawcross who uses this type of challenge weekly.

    #727328

    Paxman
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    Homzy – The only one I would say was borderline red was Coloccini, by the letter of the law it was red, as it was two footed with stud showing, and I have seen players get their marching orders for less, I have also seen our players get red for the same, and have had to say fair enough it was a bad challenge. What was really bad about that decision was he didn’t even get a yellow for it. Anita, I thought was dangerous but would have not been happy if a Liverpool player had got a red for it, so no complaints on that one.

    #727355
    Mark Holmes
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    What sensible debating, liverpool_1986! There are four other people on the panel, not just me.

    Paxman, yes, the Colo one was definitely a worse tackle than the Anita one, but nobody even made a case for it being a red. In those instances, we don’t usually include them in thia review – there was a Watford penalty appeal that we left out for the same reasons. It’s certainly not because we hate Liverpool…there’s even a Liverpool fan on the panel!!

    #727376

    Manthistle
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    Its interesting that the decision table isn’t all that dis similar to the actual table. Does this go to show that when you’re on top you get more decisions in your favour?

    #727382
    evratime
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    The two footer from Coloccini was a red all day long. Regardless of whether he got the ball, it was excessive force and out of control. Two footed challenges need to be made an example of, regardless of whether or not the outcome of it is an injury.

    I think Schweinsteiger was lucky to stay on the pitch. I don’t think he’ll get a retrospective ban though, because it looked like Clattenberg saw it as he pulled them apart again. Seemingly if the referee sees it and makes a decision, then the FA take no further action, which is a mental rule, but we’ll benefit from that, because we’re ravaged with injury right now. As usual.

    I disagree on Fellaini though. He was running for the ball and Tomkins made a challenge which went under his studs. It’s easy to say he shouldn’t have done it in slow-mo, but look at it in real time, he’s running at pace to win the ball, there is a minute fraction of a second between Tomkins prodding the ball away and Fellaini trying to control it. Fellaini is a piece of work, but I don’t see malice in that one.

    #727409
    Mark Holmes
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    I went ‘no’ on Fellaini, but like I told Beni last week, I’m nearly always the one voting ‘no’!

    I think the Colo one looked a lot worse on the replay, but either way Liverpool were hard done by with the goal that should have stood.

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    MrMakaveli
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    Colo’s tackle was nasty but I half agree with Holmesy that it looked worse in the replay. I say half be cause it was still a 2 legged studs in challenge. I think Colo is a nasty piece of work but no harm done to our player so Im not too upset. For once I’m also not that upset about the wrongfully disallowed goal as Liverpool didn’t deserve anything from that match and I think the loss will resonate better. Also I will say Mark, that I don’t think the FA (refs etc) are biased against Liverpool. I know you probably didn’t mean that literally but I have to say it since Jose is eating and drinking on this rubbish and it really irritates me. of course there have been a number of high and medium profile decisions and events that have happened to Liverpool that we’d disagree on but that crying bias week in and out is very much a Mourinho thing that has spread to a reasonable number of theirs fans. Obviously I want to see Liverpool get the results but the meaning behind Klopps “the refs thought we were too sh*t” is going to be worth a lot in the matches to come, if the players are listening.

    #727556

    Lilywhite
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    I think you should change the criteria, from goals/reds, to “game changing decisions”.
    For example, if you are 3 nil down and you get gifted an (incorrect) penalty and loose 3-1 then the (wrong) decision has not helped.
    However another, actual example, Spurs could have won their game near the end but for a very bad offside decision, This (wrong) decision was not in your review, as the ball was not put in the net (as the whistle had gone).

    #727565

    7svenski
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    You may not be Liverpool haters, but you’re certainly not Liverpool lovers either. If you don’t think Coloccini’s tackle was a red everyone should be happy that you are not referees.

    #727601
    the specialone
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    Homzy – Remember a couple of weeks ago when I came on moaning about how biased this new feature is,here I am again.As usual,TT failed to take a look at the penalty Giroud should have gotten after being clearly fouled and I’m not sure Kaboul I think it was who clearly fouled him not getting even a bit of the ball.TT yet again fail to highlight this.And us getting favourable decisions is not true at all.we should be in negative if I clearly had to study every incident we’ve been involved in.

    #727697

    Sean the sailor
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    Evra time, I’ve only see the felliani challenge once but how many times has he done that? It’s very similiar to colocinis tackle. I thought felliani was very lucky. Didn’t he go in with studs raised and two feet? I could be wrong as I only seen it once.

    No problem with the Moreno goal. We deserved absolutely nothing and the whistle had well gone before it was in the net.

    #727985

    Rollonaverage
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    I cant believe some of these decisions by the officials-some of them are so easily detectable that even Ray Charles would see it-either they are totally dumb, have eyesight problems or for some reason they simply dont feel like making any decisions-bring in technology now, its takes less than a minute to check if a goal scored was legitemate or not shorter time than the players waste with their childish celebrating.

    #728465

    Paxman
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    Is the Special one Moanrinho? Oh there is a conspiracy against us, we are in negative for all the decisions I have seen that I have biasedly looked over with my Arsenal glasses on. Special one, as fans we are incapable of judging these decision from a non-biased point of view, I have seen fans argue about the same tackle one received by their team and one made by their team, and one should have been a red card for the opposition and the other shouldn’t have even been a free kick.

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