Ref Review: The incorrect decisions from week 25

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  • #851837
    Mark Holmes
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    Leicester City, Tottenham, Chelsea and Bournemouth suffered from bad refereeing decisions at the weekend, according to our Ref Review panel.

    [See the full post at: Ref Review: The incorrect decisions from week 25]

    #851894
    Alfie07
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    I know it’s only a bit of fun, but “but the fact that Daley Blind was so close to his own line when stopping John Terry’s goalbound shot convinced four out of five on the panel that referee Michael Oliver should have awarded a penalty”. Really? It’s a handball near the line, but not if it’s in the centre circle?

    #851986
    evratime
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    Well, it really wasn’t handball and a penalty against Daley Blind. The arm which the ball hits is held across his chest. He had one arm out and one across his chest. If it hit the outstretched arm, then it’s a penalty. It hit the arm which was flush to his body.

    The rule is ‘deliberate’. He has to put his arms somewhere, and you don’t make a sliding block with your arms behind your back, it’s just not possible. Where else is he meant to put his arm? The arm it hit made no motion towards the ball, so it’s not deliberate, and it has to be deliberate.

    Thankfully, the man making the decisions has a better grasp of the rules.

    #851992
    Mark Holmes
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    Alfie, the thinking there was that Blind stopped a shot which may well have gone in. So accidental or not, surely that is denying a goalscoring opportunity and should be a penalty. We’ve said the same thing regarding quite a few similar incidents this season.

    #852061
    Grylte
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    The ball hit the arm that was in front of Blind’s body, and that arm was not stretched out.
    The ball would NOT have gone in if the arm wasn’t there, it would hit Blind in the chest.
    As Evratime said, if the ball had hit the outstretched arm, it should have been a pen, but it didn’t.
    The Teamtalk ladies are wrong in this case.

    #852085
    thekickoff
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    Surely if the panel were watching they would of seen that it hit his left arm which was across his body. His right arm was in the air and did not come in contact with the ball so how could it be intentional? That is some feat to use one hand as a distraction to then commit handball with the other in the space of a couple of metres. If thats the case we best tell players that when making a wall they can’t cover their face or crown jewels otherwise it will be handball! Wrong call Teamtalk, you must of been Blind-sided. Sorry, couldn’t resist.

    #852088

    Truebrightblue
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    Definitely a penalty as ad he not handled it, it would have gone in

    #852097

    ToledoTrumpton
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    I’d be interested to know what offense you think Flamini should be sent off for. It sounds like, in your write up, you have given the exact description for dangerous play, yet the penalty for that is only yellow.

    “Could have caused serious injury” is not in the laws of the game, so citing it as a reason for a red card is ignorant.

    If you aren’t qualified to give these opinions then your subjective view isn’t really any better than the average fan.

    #852109
    Dandy
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    Flamini should have seen red for excessive force combined with lack of control & feet off the ground. It doesn’t matter that he won the ball.

    #852307
    TipTapGoal
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    Its funny how football has changed in recent years. We’ve always spoken negatively about exessive force having suffered more than most with broken legs snd fractures.

    It is nice to see the rest of the league catch up but not predictable that an Arsenal player has been used to make the point.

    Apart from toledo, most arsenal fans have condemned the tackle – which is definitly a step in the right direction – would be nice for other teams fans to follow suit with their players.

    #852355
    Alfie07
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    Mark – if you’ve judged other incidents the same then at least you’re being consistent, but I can’t help but think that the panel overreached with that decision. The handball rule is quite clear and to use a ‘denying a goal scoring opportunity’ argument (which sounds like it fits, but not if you read the laws of the game) seems like people are trying to find any phrase from the law book to show the ref was wrong rather than applying the obvious laws as they are written.

    #852442
    Mark Holmes
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    We didn’t use that phrase, Alfie, but I’m just trying to explain our thinkif to you.

    But the handball law is always going to cause debate because it’s such a grey area and comes down to interpretation so much. There are plenty of non-deliberate handballs penalised so it certainly isn’t as black and white as evratime suggests.

    #852451
    Alfie07
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    No, it’s certainly not that black and white and on another day it could have easily been given. It’s one of those where you’d be unhappy if it was given against you but you’d be claiming it was a penalty if you were the attacking team.

    Given the handball rule though, I’m surprised 4 out of 5 people who reviewed it thought it was a penalty. It wasn’t deliberate, it was ball to hand and Blind was very close to where the ball was shoot from – all of which are explained in the rules as reasons why it was not handball.

    All about opinions though.

    #852460
    TipTapGoal
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    Football rules might as well have been taken from the bible in that they’re so open to varying degrees of interpretation

    Just be pleased when decisions go for you and kick up as much as a stink as possible when they go against you

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