Rubbish Performance From Ozil

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    19 assists eclipsing anyone else in the league speaks for itself. His trophy record speaks for itself.

    Oracle – you left ancelottis last quote on the matter

    “I think we made a mistake when we gave him (Ozil) the possibility to leave the club,” Ancelotti said.

    http://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/ancelotti-regrets-selling-ozil-arsenal#Mk4eZBdr2b7sgPS5.99

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    TipTapGoal, Clueless comment. Ozil cost £42million, have his performances since he joined been that of a player costing that much money who now wants £250,000 per week in order to stay with us. Simple answer NO! He decorates games, he doesn’t win them, he doesn’t dominate, he disappears in big games, he doesn’t have any bottle. Instead of playing FIFA17 and looking at meaningless statistics try watching football matches. Of course you would need to understand them and understand football in order to appreciate the fact its unknowledgeable people that fail to realise that he is not what you would like to think he is. As Carlo Ancelotti stated when he sold him “He doesn’t have the character to play for Real Madrid”. You can’t get more damming than that.

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    Oracle – your opinions are aligned to those of the daily mail, talk sport, and Michael owen yet you label me clueless?

    Self awareness isn’t your strong point is it?

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    No tiptapgoal my opinions are based on several years watching football from an early age. Forty years as an Arsenal Season Ticket holder, a former amateur player and someone who understands the game. You ought to try it sometimes that way you wouldn’t make such a fool of yourself.

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    dude the only thing amateur about you is your opinions. The world and his dog rightly knows that ozil is one of the best number 10s in the game.

    I knew you were of the older generation, no one my age could be so cynical and twisted. Only time does that to a person.

    Anyway, lighten up mate, your grumpy granddad routine is getting rather tiresome, go have a nap, someone is clearly overtired.

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    Shifters, I definitely think Oz could do more but there is no doubting his quality.

    Ozil’s assist and chances created stats are official from Opta and while there might be a tiny bit of room for interpretation, we all know what a chance is and what one isn’t.

    Also can’t forget how many of those chances were missed by the likes of Giroud and therefore never became an assist. If the rest of our forwards were a bit sharper in front of goal, Oz would have smashed Henry’s assist record – remember Titi had the likes of Pires, Ljunberg and Bergkamp to finish chances off (although I still find it amazing that a striker managed 25 assists AS WELL AS a gazillion goals).

    Don’t get me wrong mate, until last season, I was very much on your side on our German, but I think he’s worth every penny now and with Sanchez and Theo in the former they’re in, I think he may well smash that assist record.

    Returning to your thread title though, I really can’t see he was worse than any of our other front six against Burnley.

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    Don’t quite understand your logic there Al. If you weren’t happy with our ‘serial bottling’ German up until last season what has actually changed your mind? Ozil showed his qualities up until Christmas last season but since then (9 months) he has been pretty awful. He had a good game against Chelsea but they have been few and far between in his 3 years at the club. We all know he has quality but what has he actually done for Arsenal FC that warranted a £42million transfer fee and warrants his new wage demands of £250,000 per week. I would be far happier if we gave Sanchez everything he wants and sold Ozil and tried to replace him with someone like Tony Kroos who is a far better player and a lot more committed.

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    Why is there so much Confusion about Ozil here?He isn’t doing anything he hasn’t before.He is probably the most consistent player in the PL.And by consistent I don’t necessarily mean good,I mean you know what you’re going to get from him.It’s about perspective.I think it’s pretty clear that he isn’t a match winner and never was.He is not going to be the difference maker where goals are concerned.But yes, he is one of those sorts of who does your team good.

    He is there to connect those dots, he might not be as direct as someone like Cazorla,but he seems to be on the safer side knowing his pass will reach the target.With all the managers he has worked with, only ancelotti has had a negative comment on his attitude.Otherwise,he’s been lauded by everyone he’s played.

    I don’t at all think he’s indispensable though.Espescially in high intensity games.I’d rather he not play.As far as his contract talks go, yes of course I would want him to stay.Since he’s come, we’ve won two trophies and finished in our best position in years.Though sometimes I seriously feel he can offer more.And no,he doesn’t deserve a contract rise.He is already the highest paid player at Arsenal.

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    We can talk all day, every day, about the qualities of Ozil, how many chances and assists he does or does not make, including/ excluding corners and free kicks. However, his greatest supporters conveniently forget one, unacceptable characteristic of the German. In the Champions League, away from home to our biggest rivals, against the teams that press or work the hardest, he is completely anonymous. That does not make up for him creating 15 chances against the likes of Norwich, Hull etc. These are the most difficult games we have and if you also include most of Walcott’s displays in these games over the years, we effectively start with 9 men.

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    TSO- thought Walcott is also on £140/ week? He certainly doesn’t deserve that based on his form over nearly 11 years.

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    Shifters, as with the Burnley game, I don’t think Ozil was any worse last season than anyone else. His assists dried up, but that had a lot to do with Giroud failing to score for more than a third of the season.

    If I use Henry as an example again, he would also often disappear in games but then he’d pop up with one moment of magic, score and we’d win the game and that was what he was in the team for. With Oz, he can produce a chance out of nothing but, if no one scores from it, every one forgets about it by the time the whistle blows.

    Don’t get me wrong – ‘industrious’ and ‘Ozil’ are two words that will never go together and it can be infuriating when a player doesn’t try, but I’d rather have a lazy Ozil in the team than an industrious Giroud, because the former is generally far more effective.

    And before anyone says anything, I have absolutely nothing personal against Giroud, but he’s not good enough for Arsenal, except as an occasional impact sub.

    On the wages, Oz is our highest paid player on £140k, Sanchez is next on £130k and Theo is on £100k. Sanchez and Oz are apparently after £200k pw, which is an absurd amount but about the going rate for players of their calibre and if we want to keep that kind of quality in the team, thems is the prices we’ll have to pay.

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    Jeff – I know you aren’t the biggest fan of theo,and will never give him credit no matter however well he performs.The simple fact is that he has been a fine winger for the club.Infact,in the past three years he has the best goals + assists ratio of any midfielder in the league if I’m right.
    I feel people have a problem with him because he has not fulfilled their level of expectation.Maybe you guys thought he would be our ronaldo or something?I mean you can sit there telling me he hasn’t fulfilled his potential if you like, but please don’t tell me he hasn’t contributed enough to the club.We signed him for £14m and he’s done sufficiently well.
    Where his salary is concerned, yes sure it’s an obscene amount.But so do so many of the players get paid more than they are deserved to.

    Al the gooner – I’m not making a case for Giroud being good enough for the first team here but I really have a problem with people blaming him for our shortcomings last season!I mean really?what is this criticism based on?If we were top with him first half of the season then there is no reason we couldn’t with full season gone.

    You’re so easily deflecting blame off Ozil,I want you to list out most if not all Opportunities Ozil provided Giroud that he missed and you blame for us not winning the title.Please enlighten me with that and back up your statements.

    In my opinion,Ozil was fantastic last year but this year he’s not been the same player.Even going into the new season his stats have gone down.It has less to do with Giroud not being able to convert those chances.For a guy who managed around 16 assists in the first half of last season, he managed only three other assists in the PL in the second half.But even if you want to blame Giroud for that, it’s your perspective.

    This season though,With Giroud not even starting a single game Ozil has managed zero assists in six PL games.I’m sorry but you lose your argument of blaming Giroud for Ozil’s shortcomings right here.

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    TSO, if you think the fact that Giroud went for fifteen games without scoring had nothing to do with us not winning the title last season, then you’re perfectly entitled to your opinion mate.

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    The absurd notion that ozil doesn’t turn up in the big games is ridiculous.

    In seasons past I can remember him scoring against utd, liverpool, spurs and he got one against chelsea this season.

    If you don’t enjoy ozil then you don’t enjoy football.

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    Al – I didn’t say he was blameless for us not winning the title.Every individual has to share responsibility,but more than that if we’re looking for reasons why we didn’t win the title the one that tops the list is the same old weak mentality,every single time we seem to be leading going into the second half of the season and have everything to lose, well we do exactly that!Last season, in wenger’s own admittance the game we cocked up was utd away where our first choice defense conceded 3 goals.So there are many reasons above Giroud for not making us win the title!However,this is not the main point of discussion here.

    I asked you a simple question mate, please tell me the moments or better show post a clip of all the chances Giroud has missed from Ozil’s passes this year, which is what you’re implying in defense of Ozil right?I mean the way your making out it to be it seems Ozil has put chances on a plate for Giroud every single game, three or four and Giroud has missed all of them.So I’m sure it must not be tough to find those clips.And also I repeat Ozil has zero assists this season in the PL in games where Giroud hasn’t even started.

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    TTG – The only problem with that is that in the system we use I feel our no 10(In this case Ozil) has a complete free role.He sure can create chances etc, but espscially for the system we play we need him to score goals.And Ozil is not a genuine goalscorer.Yes he might get a couple here and there but can you rely on him to do that?No.

    There are two options here which I think is necessary to use if we want to win the title.

    1) Continue playing the same system, but Ozil is the main difference maker here.He has to score more goals,espesically in big games more often.You can’t tell me in the three years he’s been here he’s only managed to score four against big teams, for a player who’s so highly regarded.

    2)You have to drop him against big teams.I don’t feel confident going into high intensity games especially away from home with him.If he can improve on being more tenacious, then sure It’d be perfect but Oz is not that type of a player.But again,what does that say about our whole team, you simply can’t drop one of our best player for big games.

    Wenger will always pursue option one, hoping Ozil can be more involved in scoring goals especially against big teams like he did against chelsea.

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    I checked ozil’s scoring rate, its about 1 in 4.

    Do you also know who had a very similar record, bergkamp was his name.

    And lets be fair, Bergkamp waa never criticised for his lack of goals because people could see how importsnt who was to our attacking play.

    I’d be more than happy if ozil could bag 10 league goals, adding everything else that he provides, and you have yourself a player who would be one of our biggest contributors.

    So far he has 2 in 5 league games so he’s definitly on track to surpass double digits. I’m happy to see how the season pans out.

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    Tiptaptop, Once again you’re talking total tosh. In Ozil’s entire club career he has played a total of 293 games and scored 49 goals that’s an average of 5.97games per goal. For Arsenal he has scored 17 goals in 3 years and 87 games at an average of 5.11 games per goal. Stop making things up to try and prove a point you don’t even understand.

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    Al, we all know Giroud isn’t good enough, I have always bemoaned the fact that Wenger wasted £14million on someone who clearly wasn’t good enough. And maybe if we had had a better main striker over the past maybe Ozil would have had more assists, or maybe he would have had less because a player of the calibre of lets say Aguero would create a hell of a lot more goals for himself. My argument with Ozil is still his laziness and his willingness to give up so easily. Jeff is right, Ozil bottles it in big games especially in CL games. Whenever the going gets tough our wonderful No. 10 (who wears 11) goes missing. Look at his performances in games against Bayern when he has been abysmal, he missed a pen in one game at The Emirates against the German Champs and vanished completely. And Al, he is reputedly after £250,000 per week and based on his influence over the Arsenal side over the last 3 years he isn’t worth it. All he is looking for is an easy ride. As they say in Germany when describing the player ‘Ozil ihm fehlt die motivation und entschlossenheit’

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    I’m talking about his arsenal record oracle. I said about 1 in 4, not 1 in 4. And the point still stands. He’s not a striker and still has a similar record to bergkamp. Cut it whatever way you like.

    I’m not some sad grandad who has to keep coming up with new usernames because i don’t know how to conduct myself.

    Didn’t you say you would never come back if wenger won a trophy and yet you still pollute this forum.

    No wonder you keep needing to change your username.

    Piers morgan hahahahahahaha omg! Funniest thing i’ve ever read on here

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