Sakho

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  • #1242723

    finn_red
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    Just sell at the earliest possible. In all honesty NOT THAT GOOD anyway, so wouldn’t be missed.

    Showing lot of unprofessionalism by whining about HIS position while the team is doing well = not good, not very smart at all. The team comes before any egos.

    If Sakho had spent just as much time and effort on improving as a footballer rather than doing these antics, stupid things like getting suspended (honestly, weight reduction pills?) and spending hours doing those ridiculous haircuts (same as Cissé), maybe, would have more respect for him, but now, it is absolutely NIL!

    Get rid of him a.s.a.p. Matip is a class act, Lovren is improving and even Klavan looks more dependable, but we still need a fourth CB … but NOT Sakho.

    #1242780

    finn_red
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    I rather think that club comes first … and also the manager comes ahead. If individual players start behaving in this way, just let him go.

    The team is doing well, who is interested in Sakho’s whines then? Me, certainly NOT!

    #1242786

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    Bob: I’d have to disagree with that one. One or two incidents is fair enough, everyone is entitled to mistakes but there were several within a short period. Bearing in mind that footballers are close to school kids in relation to how they’re treated by the clubs, I think Klopp simply just had enough of his disruptive stupidity.

    On the subject of him being a bad footballer, he had a couple of howlers (one against Southampton from memory) but who doesn’t. He was our best centre-half for a good while- way ahead of Skrtel and Lovren in my opinion during his playing days with us.

    It was interesting to hear Klopp say the other day that Moreno is the best trainer in the squad. I really wanted him out of the club due to some of the efforts he has put in over the past year. However, knowing that he’s put the head down and genuinely wants to get his spot back, I have to respect what he’s doing. He’s genuinely showing the right attitude. I think Sakho has done the opposite.

    #1242813
    MrMakaveli
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    I’m still torn about this whole issue. I don’t think this is like the Torres situation, Sakho has earned the problems that he finds himself in (in my opinion). before his venting on snapchat, I was hoping that something could be worked out over time but the fact of the matter is, you can’t have players rocking the boat like this.

    I know many of you don’t rate Sakho but I do. I think if he can sort his head out (He needs counseling I’d say) and stayed out of trouble, maybe he has a future here. . but I would now have absolutely no problem with Klopp freezing him out and then shipping him in January.

    Matip, Lovren and maybe even Klavan look good and I’m hopeful that over time we may end up with a top quality centre-back pair from the 3. We have Gomez as back-up as long as he can get over his injury problems, so Klopp has options.

    You also have to wonder about what we haven’t heard. Klopp seems like a strict but also reasonable guy. Besides missing appointments, he may well have been a general disruption too and I wouldn’t expect the club to come out and list everything that they found wrong with him, in fact I’d be pretty upset with them if they did.

    There is one positive that we will get from all this and that is the other lads will know that with Klopp, it’s “my way or the highway”. The other lads seem to be developing extremely well under him and his staff, so . . .

    well I guess that’s my entire opinion on the matter. I’m OK with whatever Klopp decides to do.

    #1242900

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    He;s totally over-rated. His great performances are not week in week out or at least consistent. Lucas is a better CB than him. We almost got a clean sheet if not for the incorrect decision by ref vs Leicester.

    #1243017
    gabara
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    He made a few big mistakes last season, allowing a few strikers to have the time to turn and shoot. He tends to be a little individualistic and likes to showboat occasionally on the field. There were a few occasions he was robbed of the ball when he tried to trap it.

    Matip and Klavan, bought by Klopp, have shown that they are excellent in bringing the ball out of defence, so this skill is not something that only Sahko has.

    Sahko thought he had the CB position nailed down as he appeared to not take the preseaon seriously. Klopp said that he didn’t buy Klavan to be his fourth choice, and that was probably directed at Sahko.

    #1243020

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    One thing I would like to make clear about my opinion on this is that Sakho has dealt very poorly with the issues facing him in the last month, as far as I am concerned he got no business at all being in the side right now. Lovren and Matip have both shown much more on the field than he has ever done.
    However I think the club has dealt very poorly with him during this time, the club has failed in managing him. I stated when he got banned that the club needed to carefully protect him, see how this developed. Its almost like the board hung him out to dry, which then came back to bite them when he cleared his name.

    #1243110
    Bob-Notts
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    Bofa as I said that’s fair enough but footballers are doing plenty of stupid things, probably worse than Sakho, but accepted he is gone now. As I said he’s been a stupid boy.

    Good to see your opinion on him as a footballer as plenty are suddenly saying Klavan is a better player for example. Also Lovren has made as many individual mistakes as Sakho.

    #1243185
    Sanj1
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    I just think Sakho should go into Klopp’s office & get on his knees & beg forgiveness & Jurgen be gracious to accept the gesture so we can all move on & he can return to the fold. There is pride in the way here & it is not something Sakho can afford to have right now. It won’t happen so the outcome is likely to be his departure

    #1243281
    MrMakaveli
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    Wow. So much dislike for Sakho and a lot of talk about how crap he is. he did make a few mistakes last season but you lads watch, Matip will make a few mistakes too. Klavan absolutely will make a few mistakes, I can see it already if I’m being totally honest.

    It’s part of the game, this grass is always greener BS gets a bit annoying at times. You get to know a player and how he has flaws in his play and the guy coming in is absolutely perfect. . .

    To any fine ladies who get upset at what I just said, I really like the look of Matip so far and he’s surpassed my early expectations but I also expect players to make mistakes. We all know that the closer you are to the goal-line, the more exposed you are to fatal errors.

    What if Matip throws the Utd game away with a howler? Should we go sign someone else then? We support a club and the people who play for it, Sakho has problems that he needs to deal with, maybe now it’s too late for him at the club but the lack of support that he’s gotten since this whole thing started is a little off-putting.

    #1243302
    Wizard
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    I think Sakho is a good defender. On a good day, he’s great. This situation, however, is getting a bit silly now. While I do feel a bit for him, it very much appears that his own actions lead us to this. The club could perhaps deal with it better. Who knows. We don’t know the whole story.

    What we do know, because it’s obvious, is that we’re playing very well now, and don’t need Sakho at all. He may or may not be better than some of our centre-backs, as far as footballing ability goes, but I, for one, like the no-nonsense approach by the likes of Lovren, and especially Klavan. And then we have a better ball-playing defender in Matip now anyway, and Gomez is yet to return. A man for the future.

    As much as I like Sakho, I think it would be best for both parties, if Sakho left the club.

    #1243554

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    Bob, MrMakaveli – Sakho is not a bad defender, he is a good defender, although not a great one. Lovren, just like Sakho, has made numerous errors as you pointed out. So have Clyne, Moreno etc.

    But that is not the issue at hand here. Walking out before the Everton game, taking banned substances, disrespecting Klopp on camera, breaking 3 club rules and venting his frustration on Snapchat. Can you see a trend here? Now, that is the issue.

    Why can Sakho not just concentrate on football, instead of adding all this drama?

    By taking on Klopp twice, he is trying to undermine him and that is totally unacceptable. I would sell Sakho in January, let him take his drama elsewhere


    PS If a player is being paid £60K per week, and cannot even be bothered to turn up for a therapy session to help his recovery, that shows there something seriously wrong here

    #1243722
    nutts
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    For me, it’s not about whether Sakho is a good or bad defender. If Klopp didn’t think he was good enough, he would have shipped him out over the summer.

    It’s attitude. Klopp talks about attitude all the time. He also talks about team spirit. I believe Klopp thinks that Sakho’s attitude is not what he wants or expects from his players and perhaps worries that bringing him back in to squad might upset the somewhat fragile team spirit.

    He gave him the opportunity to go out on loan, regain his fitness and prove that he deserves a spot, but Sakho refused to do what his manager asked. This latest issue is just the last in a long list of things during and pre LFC.

    However, to lump him in the same boat with Balotelli is just wrong. Balotelli attitude was also crap, but he never loved the club. at least Sakho says the right things in that respect.

    #1243767
    St Etienne
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    I think we need to remember that Sakho is on a similar loop that led to his departure from PSG. I don’t want to get involved in what our club is doing or not doing. It has been covered at length in the French media that Sakho need to leave Paris, due to discipline issues and the main concern was that he needed to grow up. He had a massive fan base at PSG and there was a bit of a backlash from fans when they sold him. Is it coincidence that history appears to be repeating itself, can both clubs be in the wrong? Or is it the player who is responsible for his current position?

    #1243902
    Bob-Notts
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    Songman, fine and you will find that lots of people have accepted that he has done some daft things – cant believe he put those comments up!

    However what is not on is the amount of comments alluding to the fact that either he was a poor defender or we have 3 better players in that position. I get that people want to support Klopp but the things being said about his ability are harsh imho.

    If Klopp gets rid then that is his prerogative and he has every right but suddenly he’s no good. Same happened with Sterling to a certain extent and whilst I don’t think he’s the best player in the world he certainly wasn’t as bad as some made out.

    #1243914

    NotoriousBingo
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    lets just give it time, I personally rate him as our third best centerback and that he got the potential to be our best centerback if he can commit in training and on the field. Having said that I did not expect him to be in the team until November or early December. What I want to see happening is Sakho getting his head around and being fully committed to the idea the manager wants and I want Klopp to manage Sakho in way that benefits the player and the club.
    There is nothing written in stone yet and honestly I would be vary of writing him off, he may surprise us all and just get down to business again.

    #1243932

    Songman
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    Bob, to me Sakho is a good, if not top, defender.

    But Sterling was, and still is, a top player

    #1244661
    gabara
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    The latest report claims that Klopp has informed Sahko he is unlikely to play for Liverpool again unless there is an enormous injury crisis. I might be wrong but there weren’t too many big clubs asking to sign Sahko when it was reported earlier he could leave on loan or even be sold. It might be down to his attitude.

    I personally don’t rate Sahko, there were games that I felt he was playing for himself rather than the team. Sahko is a good defender but he isn’t a good team player. Our win over Dortmund does not hide the fact that our defence were torn apart by Dortmund quite easily. Klopp would surely have taken note of this.

    I am very certain that Matip, Lorven or Klavan, given time will play better as a centre back pair, and we will concede less goals this season.

    #1244985
    Bob-Notts
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    Gabara we may concede less goals but we have a new solid left back, new goal keeper and different system and players are getting used to Klopps ideology, think it would be unfair to take any judgement from that / link towards Sakho.

    #1244988
    MrMakaveli
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    I don’t think that this type of situation will be taken seriously unless we’re looking at our star player. Then maybe we would see what I would think of as a more pro-active reaction from the fans (and possibly the club too), with calls for the player to see the club shrink etc etc.

    Maybe he doesn’t need this though and is just an unsettling character. In the end of the day, it’s the manager who has galvanized the squad and is getting more out of them than I knew they had. . So in the end of the day (and after all the discussion) I will trust his judgment.

    I can’t see Sakho staying beyond January, so I guess my main hope now is that we get a good price for him.

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