Sakhos replacement

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    Bob-Notts
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    Garydos, his passing stats are very good despite the fact he often looked clumsy doing it! He is a better defender than Lovren and Klavan and better at bringing the ball out than both so don’t agree with your view there. Matip is better than all of them in this way.

    Gabara if you are saying Sakho would have got us top 4 but admire Klopps stance, I wonder if you will still say that if we miss out on top 4. Regardless of whether we all agree or not on whether we feel Klopp has taken the right or wrong stance to only being in Klavan and rely on Lovren is a shocking decision (Moreso if it costs us top 4). Btw I still think we will scrape in but am speaking hypothetically in case we don’t.

    #1471028

    Football Scouser
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    We probably know how good or how bad is Sakho. His performance in Palace only tell us that our playing style is NOT suitable for him or in other words, he is not suitable for our attacking style. So, selling him out in summer will be a win win.

    Sakho is a warning for us about players like M. Keane etc. Defenders who are playing well in a defensive team does NOT mean the player can work in our attacking style. We need someone who is pacy and good on the ball. Still think that we should try our best to sign van Dijk although it is quite unlikely to be successful but a man can dream.

    #1471049
    Bob-Notts
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    FS not sure what you mean he isn’t suited to an attacking style, good passing, he can bring the ball out and is fairly quick (although he does look gangly sometimes).

    I think we should separate his naive daft actions e.g. Turning up late from his footballing abilities.

    #1471066

    Sean the sailor
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    garydos, i agree with thwat you are saying.

    bingo, if anyone is a twat on here then its you.Nevermind the drug ban. Its his attidude. Its that simple. He was late for a dinner, late for dinner, being disrutpive on tour, had a rant at 3 o clcok in the morning before a game on twitter. Is it that hard to understand?? Really.

    the handshake was hugely disresectful to the club. We afre playing for big stake sand hes on the line doing that? sahko was part of a defence that still conceded 50 goals last season. He is not barsei. He is a good player. that is all.

    #1471070

    Sean the sailor
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    bob, i agree. Sakos passing from the back is excellent. Hes a solid defender. Its not his abilty thats in question here. Its his attiudude as you have said mate

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    Bob-Notts
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    Agree Sean.

    Just hope we can still get a good resale value on him now mate!

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    gingerlfc
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    Sakhos ability isn’t in question his attitude is.
    He’s demonstrated a poor attitude at PSG, under Rodgers and now under Klopp.
    I woulda have thought he’d have learned.

    Apparently his knee injury isn’t ACL and should be recovered in time for transfer window.

    #1471515

    NotoriousBingo
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    Sean, I did not mean to call you a twat, I’m not here to trade insults but I stand by what I’ve stated about how the club has dealt with the situation in the summer.

    I also understand the hard-line stance Klopp has taken in public but I still think its the wrong decision.

    #1471564

    captkirk
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    I’m afraid that those who expect players like Sakho, or the trio Hazard, Costa, Fabregas who got rid of Mourinho, or Morgan, Mahrez, Vardy among others who gifted Ranieri a p45 to be models of punctuality, decorum and poise are living in cloud cuckoo land. They are millenials and we better get used to their peculiar style.

    #1471584
    mwake
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    Im knda with Bingo on this one I feel Sakho has been treated a little harshly especially considering the club are going to sue agencies over the drugs issue. However, conversly Sakho came with a reputation from PSG, he already had baggage and that is why they got rid of their youngest captain ever…

    Who knows what actually happened between Klopp and Sakho? But I’m assuming it must have been something really bad, because in consideration Mr Suarez more or less got the Rolls Royce treatment compared to Sakho, and that was after biting two players, threatening to sue club and demanding a transfer to Arsenal and racism storm!!

    #1471590

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    The reason why Sakho has no future at Liverpool is because in the US, he broke club rules on 3 occasions and disrespected Klopp on camera – it is as clear as that.

    Their manager-player relationship is unlikely to be repaired, and I support Klopp on this, how can you manage a player or employee who disrespects you openly? Watch the clip again, Sakho is mocking Klopp in a rather insulting manner. Can you imagine any of the United players trying that with Ferguson or Mourinho?

    Then last week, he and Benteke both humiliate Liverpool celebrating at Anfield of all places!!! How can you celebrate a goal against your own club, yet your fans are in pain after a crushing defeat. Surely, if he cared about Liverpool, he would not have been on the bench, unless of course Allardyce ordered him to do so.

    I cannot see any way back for Sakho, main thing is to get the highest possible price for him. And while he may be a top defender in certain games, he is actually a bit inconsistent and worst of all, just like Lovren and Matip, he gets injured frequently

    #1471602
    Bob-Notts
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    I don’t support Klopp on this Songman and let me quantify that. I get why he’s done what he’s done but it could have been handled a little different e.g. Significant fine and dropped to reserves for a while. However I respect Klopps tough stance.

    Where I don’t support him is not replacing him with quality – Klavan is not that and Lovren has been a little hit and miss. He should’ve bought another cb in if that was the situation and then he would’ve had my full support.

    I think we will make 4th but there is no doubt this was a high risk strategy and if we don’t get 4th – will be interesting to see what people say then.

    #1471607

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    I don’t believe that Sakho and Klopp have been headbutting each other ego’s.

    I think the decision came from the top, because of Sakho testing positive. Since then he has been on the way out. Half the fans wanted him gone cause they thought he was guilty. So did the hierarchy at the club.

    If Sakho was at Southampton right now, we would be discussing whether to buy him or not with the fan base split because of his injury.

    Dijk is injured, we are still gonna buy him for 50 million.

    #1471610

    gingerlfc
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    If the club wanted him out early last summer why didn’t they buy a replacement then?
    They had Matip and Lovren. Gomez was out long term injured and Klavan was yet to be bought. That left us mighty short at centreback.

    There’s nothing to back up your story.
    The club didn’t send him to the u23s after the drugs thing. That didn’t happen until further altercations during pre season.

    #1471612

    Sean the sailor
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    It’s nothing to do with the drugs thing bingo. It’s exactly as song man has said.

    #1471620

    Songman
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    Bob, I support Klopp on this 100%, and in fact I support any manager who has to deal with disrespectful, persistent rule-breaking players. Would you see Ferguson, Mourinho or even Rafa accepting such behaviour?

    Problem is, if you let a player get away with far too many infringements (including Snapchat) they begin to think they are bigger than the manager, and thus other players will start losing respect for a weak manager.

    And btw, all these infringements have absolutely nothing to do with his drugs issue.

    We need to move on from Sakho by selling him for a high fee and signing a much better, robust defender

    #1471654
    Number8wasgr8
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    We should get a decent fee from his sale (provided the injury isn’t long term) so that will go towards a quality replacement. We definitely need some serious upgrades in defence.

    #1471668
    Bob-Notts
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    Songman depends on the player, Fergie did it with Cantona. Players have done much worse than Sakho but again that’s not the main point as per above, which is Klopp has taken a big risk and hope it doesn’t blow up in our faces by then not signing an adequate replacement. If we don’t make top 4 (and I think we will) questions will undoubtedly need to be asked.

    #1471669
    Bob-Notts
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    Next season I’m all for getting a better defender and as long as that happens then fine.

    Lovren should not be a regular starter and seriously if he is this will be the start of me questioning Klopp (again don’t think this will happen but ….)

    #1471678

    Sean the sailor
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    Bob, I see what your saying but we still conceded a shit load of goals when sahko started. He’s a good player but he’s not top class. I really like the lad but it’s all his own fault.

    We have conceded nearly 200 goals in 4 years. Sahko and lovren have been here for 3 of them. It’s absolutely crazy stats.

    It was absolutely crazy of klopp to be going in to the season with Lucas as 4th choice. Klavan has done ok but he’s made to many mistakes. Lovren is lovren. Good for a few games then kills you in others we need two top centre backs in my opinion.

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