Schweinsteiger is a Crock

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    Blacky
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    @hatters – Sorry mate,but if you think that any prospective midfield signings have to be “truly world class” to be an upgrade on Schneiderlin and Herrera then we must be watching different players.For me both have been extremely inconsistent and disappointing and quite frankly a pretty good and consistent 7 out of 10 type performer would be a big improvement on both of them.Not to improve our midfield considerably this summer will only mean we are happy with 2nd best yet again,simple as that.

    @homerjay – You seem happy to have just “decent CM options” but want “world class” signings in all other areas mate.I don’t quite understand why you would set your sights so low in such a pivotal area of the field.This club has not had a world class midfielder for the best part of a full decade,it’s about time we put it right!.

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    Alfie07
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    Blind is ok to cover, but shouldn’t be considered as a regular midfield option. We need a bit of energy in there imo. Someone who can put a tackle in and go box-to-box.

    Would love to see Fosu-Mensa be given a few games there next season to show what he can do. He must be considered as a long term option.

    Schneiderlin started slowly but seems to be growing into the position now. I think it just takes longer for some players to settle at Utd than others. I wouldn’t discard him at the moment.

    Whoever comes in needs to get a settled midfield, and that might require signing someone as a couple of our midfielders seem to pick up injuries quite regularly.

    #933566
    hatters
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    @blacky. My view on Shcneiderlin and Herrera is hinged on a manager being able to get these players to play as well as I have seen them play.

    In my view there aren’t any significantly better available options out there. We could go out and sign a player like Axel Witsel from Zenit St Petersberg which would cost maybe 35 million quid or so but I am damned sure we can’t go out and get a player like Kroos or Pogba without being absolutely raped on transfer fees and wages. Raped in the same manner that we will probably be for the CB, right winger, and striker we need.

    My assumption is that resources are plentiful but not infinite. Whoever is the manager next season has to surely accept that he must work with the 60 odd million quid of investment made in midfield over the last 2 seasons with priority positions being CB, right wing, and striker.

    #933608

    happyhurling
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    I don’t really see how Bayern have “pulled a fast one” by giving into the request of their captain and the world cup winning captain in his desire to play at Old Trafford. And for around the same amount of money we signed Gabriel Obertan for! They didn’t want to let him go. He cannot be compared to Hargreaves who basically couldn’t walk after half a training session! He’s not been in top form for us, but has had a calming and controlling influence on our midfield when he has played. With all the youngsters being blooded into the team this year, his experience is vital. But anyway, he’s probably the least of our problems!

    #933665

    emmicallef
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    Happy, the correct word is ‘shafted’.

    Giving in my foot. They went right out and bought Vidal didn’t they ? And Sebastian knew that his place in the team was definitely not guaranteed any more so he requested to leave after speaking to LVG.

    Do you think that Bayern would have ever got rid of Sebastian if they were not aware of his possibilities and lack of them at that stage in his career ? Or that Sebastian would ever contemplate leaving whilst holding a regular place with Bayern ? No way.

    They are a pretty intelligent bunch over there my friend, of that you can be sure.

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    hatters
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    @HH. I believe Schweini is the least of our problems as you say – good player with rare qualities and experience. Guardiola wanted him to stay but was not really desperate for that to happen considering Vidal coming in, albeit with an equally dodgy knee.

    We can’t deny that in the end, Bayern wins.

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    redblood
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    Happy-we have truly been indeed “shafted” my friend,and on top of that Bastian or Sebastian[lol] gets paid £265k p/w[allegedly],and come next season,he has to go.Like Hatters and Blacky say,we need players like Kroos,Pogba,Verratti,Gundogan,the era of Bastian/Sebastian and Carrick its truly over.

    #933752

    happyhurling
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    Fair points – shafted! :o(
    My fear of rebuilding has always been exactly what happened though. Get rid of players that we deemed not good enough and replace them with the likes of Rojo, Depay, Darmian and Lingard. I don’t like saying the words but is Johnny Evans that much worse than Rojo? Is Depay better than Nani, Darmian better than Rafael or Lingard better than Di Maria? The whole point of “rebuilding” is to improve on what you have and we’ve failed to do that. But i’m much happier to ship out the recent crap we’ve bought because they mean nothing to Man Utd, they don’t know what it means to play for the shirt and actually they’re just not good enough! I’d rather have a team full of Chicarito’s than Depays! There was a player with the right attitude to play for us.

    #933767

    homerjay540
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    @blacky, the point I was trying to make was that especially CB and FW should be our priorities and every player we bring in should be world class (or very good with the potential to be WC).

    #933959

    emmicallef
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    happyhurling – Best post of the month.

    Finally seeing the light.It is never too late to repent he,he,he,, Well I guess you are intelligent enough to know who to blame don’t you ?

    #934250

    Blacky
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    @happy – You never change do you matey,first wet the bed,then engage brain!.The point perfectly pointed out by others is that Bastian is well and truly past it,yet we have committed something like 40M big ones to buy him and pay him over the terms of his 3 year contract,that’s a proper stitch up!.
    Maybe you like Bastian so much because he actually makes you hero ‘Wazza’ look a little less like a ruptured teletubbie when he waddles around the pitch in comparison!.
    PS Hope you’ve got your Rooney ‘speech’ under construction,not long now matey!!.

    @hatters – Point is,neither you nor I know whether there are “better available options out there”,that is just pure speculation mate.For example,what about Kante at Leicester or Wijnaldum at Newcastle no-one was touting them as being Man Utd type players 12 months ago,but I’d take both of them in a heartbeat now instead of Schneiderlin and Herrera.Just one look at Dele Alli’s rise to prominence is enough to know that there are better players out there,you just have to have the right plans and people in place to find them and recruit them.

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    alex_the_red
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    Blacky – mind your tongue son, I’ve been calling for a bid for Wijnaldum for a few years on this forum. Alli is class though and will be the number 10 for England for years to come. Also keep an eye out for Renato Sanches and Youri Tielemans.

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    hatters
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    @blacky. Fair point. I guess you could qualify my statement to mean players that I know of, obviously I am not a scout so I don’t know where value for money signigs could be.

    #934304

    Blacky
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    @alex – The annoying thing is LvG should have known all about Wijnaldum and also had a birds eye view of Alli’s potential when he played brilliantly in the MK Dons team that thrashed us 4-0,he didn’t bother with either and chased far inferior signings for much bigger fees instead.

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    alex_the_red
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    Blacky – the problem with Wijnaldum was he had a few injuries stifle his career in Holland, but whenever he was fit he was damn near unplayable. I just think LVG saw too many players in that 10 spot at United that he probably didn’t want to bring in another for that position, even though he’d be our best option. It is truly annoying for me personally to see these players who I watch clip after clip after clip about and bang on about them go to other clubs and shine for pennies. Someone needs to install me into that director of football job lol. I’ve watched and banged on about players like Saurez at Gronigen, Hazard at Lille, Bale at Southampton, Pogba for our youth side, Sanchez at Udinese, Aguero at Independiente, etc etc. Now I see players like Renato Sanches, Youri Teielemans, Leroy Sane, Fosu-Mensah, etc etc and if I were in a position of authority at United, they’d all be wearing red shirts with players like Fellaini, Carrick, Schweiny, and Lingard plying their trade elsewhere.

    #934415

    homerjay540
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    @happy, I agree that at the moment the players you have mentioned have not met standards expected. However, with Depay for example, he has the talent. Nobody could say in advance how he’d settle in. For me the key is to give them two seasons, the first to settle in, if by the end of the second season they are not up to standard then sell them on asap.
    Also, I wouldn’t classify Lingard with the rest. For me he should be considered a backup player – he is on low wages and won’t complain if he finds himself benched in favour of a better player. For a backup player I think he has done a good job so far this season.

    #934499

    Manthistle
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    We should have never bought Schweinsteiger when we already had an ageing midfielder in Carrick. Below average win rate when he plays suggests he’s more of a liability than an asset.

    #935264
    theMartial Art
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    @manthistle

    “We should have never bought Schweinsteiger”

    The German world cup willing captain, who has won everything. He is not who he was a few years ago.. but he is very experienced, can guide the youth and can definately still play some good football still.. especially if rotated with carrick/schneiderlin.. all for under 7m. seems like a good buy. His just been unlucky with injury!

    #935297

    boxtobox
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    schweinsteiger is class and alot better than anything we have in the middle at the moment.ok,pity about the injuries.but i,d have a half fit bastien over the dour carrick anyday.

    #935972

    emmicallef
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    Agreed,but isn’t this the ‘base’ to the issue ?

    It is the very obvious possibility of re occurring injuries that Sebastian has against him at this later phase of his world class career.

    No one can contest that a half fit Seb is better than not only Carrick but whoever plays in midfield which defines the quality of the German past and present.

    With today’s tech, it is very improbable that serious medical checks that would not at least highlight a good enough diagnosis of the potential hazards if any .

    I would think that this is very relevant and hence the final decision would rest with the person in charge to commit to the transfer or not. Therefore the risk would be pre noted surely. Then it is either heads or tails. SAF was into something similar with Van Persi and he was lucky for the first season.

    My bottom line would be that United should and could have got a younger world class player with less injury risks although once again,as we have seen with Shaw,luck can play it’s part just as well.

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