Sevilla at home
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March 14, 2018 at 9:33 pm #1612424
On second thoughts The British media have been relatively kind in comparison to the Spanish outlets. I can’t argue with most of it! What’s the point of hanging onto a dinosaur whose mentor was LVG? Just to emphasize the arrogance of this prick “I am happy with the players no regrets” but there’s bailly apologizing to the fans! I really thought he would come good but the football is desperate and we are rightly being mocked, what’s changed? No attacking no fear factor bang average!
March 14, 2018 at 9:44 pm #1612431@scholsey True, he picks the team and I was also surprised of some of the selections. He played Fellaini instead of McTominay, he played Lingaard instead of Mata, he switched Rashford to the right. Were those changes decisive for the game? Perhaps. I don’t think so. I don’t think that Scott McTominay has become a world class midfielder that is light years ahead of Fellaini. I don’t think Lingaard and Mata are that far apart in quality and I think Marcus Rashford should be able to play either left or right, even if he may prefer one over the other.
Then tactics is often mentioned here. Defensive vs attacking. One thing is clear, in theory either is no better or worse than the other. You could have opinions on what you prefer to watch as a spectator, but on paper every tactic is perfect. It’s when the players don’t execute them that we get in trouble.
I don’t believe our tactics against Sevilla were that much different than against Lfc, but against the latter our players performed better. Then you can argue that it is Mourinhos fault that they were playing badly against Sevilla and that makes him a bad manager. But then we must say that he also was responsible for our performance against Lfc and then he was good manager.
I just think that we too many players that are good and on their day very good. But to be great you have to be consitently very good and we don’t have that staff at the moment.
My previous post was an attempt to be a little funny, english isn’t my first language so maybe it wasn’t that funny after all 🙂
March 14, 2018 at 9:53 pm #1612435@matwe, no one is saying that and no one is saying that every player is anywhere near good enough to play for United but the manager is responsible for motivation and everyone looks extremely disinterested. The manager is also responsible for tactics and all the players look like they’re playing within themselves. This ultra conservative approach is affecting the mood and there seems to be very little confidence in our camp. No one dares to express himself. No dares to enjoy themselves and there are no patterns to our play, no partnerships on the pitch, no enjoyment, no energy, no urgency, no character and no chemistry.
Ridiculous amounts of money have been spent and we’re still approaching every match as the underdog trying to hold on to dear life. There is literally nothing else. We never take games to the opponent and every match is a safety-first snoozefest. If that isn’t on the manager I don’t know what is. Jose’s paid very handsomely to do a job and he simply isn’t doing it very well. This squad isn’t good enough to win major trophies but there are definitely players capable of getting us of our seats. No one is doing that because entertainment isn’t a word found in Jose Mourinho’s vocabulary. The shackles from the LVG era are still on and are, if anything, only being tightened by this anti-football has-been.
March 14, 2018 at 10:06 pm #1612439@roygbiv Put the 2008 team on the pitch with JMs tactics and you would see a completly different display.
If what you are saying is true. If our players are not playing to their capability because “they don’t like the tactics”. If our players chose to sulk like children because “they can’t express themselves”…then they can p*** off, the lot.
The manager is paid money to do what he believes will win us football matches. What chance of winning any matches do we have if we have a group of kids who want to dictate their own universe. That’s is disrespecting the manager, the club and the fans who pay their wages.
That is what ppl call player power. It’s ugly, selfish and more of a threat to modern football than any “bad tactics”.
March 14, 2018 at 10:16 pm #1612442” the manager is paid to make decisions which he believes will win us matches”
2 holding midfielders against the mighty Seville move rashford out to the right! Stop the opponent scoring” but it’s ok it’s all the players fault the manager is just paid to make decisions good or bad! Not reprehensible.
March 14, 2018 at 10:30 pm #1612449Don’t believe Mourinho would assemble our 2008 team. SAF wanted to attack, Mourinho wants to stop the opposition playing.
FFS José wants to reward the likes of Rojo and Fellaini with new contract.
Starting Fellaini who is clumsy, has no pace and has fuck all distribution was a mistake. I’m not saying McTominay is the answer but I’d rather have him than Fellaini.
Mourinho tried his usual contain the game, grab a goal and hold on tactics, and it bit him on the arse.
Player power is on the rise but Bayern, Barca, Madrid and Man City seem to be coping ok.
March 14, 2018 at 10:33 pm #1612452@Happyhurling-For your information i bet on a draw and United to crash out.
You talking about go far in CL is hilarious.
Thing is we have more points than we deserve in PL.
Many games we have rided the lady luck.
We had the easiest group in CL and we draw the easiest team in Sevilla.Now for Mourinho,this little man has the biggest ego of them all.
From day one i felt sick when Mourinho was appointed.
He only thinks about him,him and himself.
He parks his fucking bus and hope for a miracle upfront.
He makes attacking players toothless and his signings which he once were good at identify and bring in are all up in smoke.
Matic 29 looks like an old Carrick,Sanchez 29 cant find his feet,Pogba has fallen from one of the best cmf to one of the worst. Bailly is injured quite often.
Miki is gone,Ibra is going.The rot is spreading rapidly in the club. Good players are useless and useless players are kept. His latest statement about knocking out Man United by Porto and Real Madrid when he was their manager is way out of order and he should be sacked only for this. What a truly knob he is!
March 14, 2018 at 10:45 pm #1612456Zico, I don’t think Woody has the bottle to sack him. We need PSG to make an offer he can’t refuse.
March 14, 2018 at 10:53 pm #1612458Lets pray to that Scholsey.
On another note,how good was N´Zonzi and Lenglet the cb?
March 14, 2018 at 10:57 pm #1612461Played well but was part of it down to us being
so shite?March 14, 2018 at 11:04 pm #1612465Athletico Madrid scored 5 against them away from home 2 weeks ago.
March 14, 2018 at 11:14 pm #1612467We made Jonjo Shelvey look good around a month ago.
March 15, 2018 at 12:05 am #1612476@matwe, I see where you’re coming from and definitely think the players shouldn’t be absolved from blame. Their shortcomings are only amplified by the managers approach, though. He’s spent millions to assemble this squad, yet he has failed to strengthen where/when needed and is still tinkering with players who have proven themselves as not being good enough. Many of our players are regressing and no one seems to enjoy playing for United. Now, that’s far from being all Mourinho’s fault and I do agree that the modern player is too pampered and privileged but my biggest beef with Jose is that all preprtation seems to focus solely on how to nullify our opponents instead of taking games to them and exploiting THEIR weaknesses. Under Jose, it’s all about trying to cover up our own shortcomings and instead of striking fear into others, United play with fear and doubt. It may not seem like a big deal but take it from someone who’s both played and coached, the manager/coach can be more influential/instrumental when it comes to these things than many would believe.
March 15, 2018 at 8:23 am #1612521Interesting to see the comparisons with the 2008 side being made. Here are some hypothetical thoughts from me.
– Put that 2008 back four (Evra, Vidic, Ferdinand, Brown) behind this current team with Mourinho as manager and we would be a fantastic team, comfortably through to the quarter finals and still in a title race, albeit with City as favourites.
– Put our current back four (Young, Smalling, Jones, Valencia) behind the 2008 side and whether you have Fergie or Mourinho as manager I reckon they’d have struggled to get past Lyon in the last 16. Which they actually did back then, I might add. 1-1 away with a scruffy last minute Tevez equaliser and a very nervy 1-0 at Old Trafford.
– If we had matched City’s spending back in 2010 when Ronaldo left and built on that magnificent European Cup winning team rather than buying cut price slop like Obertan, Smalling and Michael Owen then we wouldn’t be in the position we are now. Whether you have Fergie in charge or Mourinho. I thought Valencia was a good signing by the way, but as a like for like replacement for Ronaldo it was a joke and also unfair on Valencia.
– Conclusions:
1. Sort the f****g defence out as a priority then get some energy in the midfield. That will give the team confidence to attack.
2. Rough bummings all round for the Glazers.March 15, 2018 at 8:29 am #1612525N’Zonzi has been a revelation for Seville since he signed for Seville Zico, very highly rated in La Liga. I was very impressed with that Lenglet over both legs, composed and rarely looked troubled.
March 15, 2018 at 9:18 am #1612577@scholesy – I don’t think PSG are stupid enough to come in for him. This season has shown that he is behind the times, can’t play the expansive, attacking football they want to see in the ‘project’ and that he can’t handle it when things don’t go his way and blames everyone from the board to the players. We’re stuck with Jose because no-one will want him after this debacle.
@Wonderfuel – that 2008 back four wouldn’t significantly improve this side because our single biggest problem isn’t our defence, it’s our midfield. They showed the other night that they can’t control games, they didn’t press the opposition and the created almost nothing.
The only thing they would bring is leadership which we are woefully lacking at the moment. We need a bear at CB and one at CM to scream, shout, roar and basically motivate the team on the pitch. Although you could argue that Jose would make that back four shite as well, on current evidence at least.
I don’t care if we spend £10m or £300m this summer as long as we get at least two players who will lead this team. Players with personalities like Keane, Cantona, Bruce, Robson, Ferdinand who drove their teammates to be better than the sum of their parts because those who should be our best players (DDG, Bailly, Pogba and Sanchez) are not providing ANY sort of leadership whatsoever.March 15, 2018 at 9:34 am #1612596I’m far from convinced that the 2008 team would have thrived under Mourinho as the key to that teams success was freedom and fluidity in attack. Mourinho has always been a rigid tactician and a very successful as such but he looks past his sell date and completely devoid of ideas. 2008 Mourinho might have been succesful with 2008 United but this version we’re seeing now is simply not what this club needs. He’s had a fantastic career and has certainly not been all bad at United. The longer he stays, though, the bigger the problems will get – we’ve known that from day one.
March 15, 2018 at 1:49 pm #1612771Also, to talk about United being used to going out of this competition by referencing defeats to teams managed by himself in the past highlights how narcissistic Mourinho is – pointing out the clubs failure while highlighting his own achievements. We lost so that’s down to the history, mentality or whatever of the club but had we won it would have been because of his own brilliance. Well, guess what? Jose is not a brilliant manager, not anymore anyway and now he’s dragging the club even further down with him. I don’t even look forward to matches anymore and usually fall asleep if watching on the telly. That’s because he sets us up to play that way – to focus solely on stopping the opponents instead of taking games to them.
March 15, 2018 at 2:05 pm #1612781If what you are saying is true. If our players are not playing to their capability because “they don’t like the tactics”. If our players chose to sulk like children because “they can’t express themselves”…then they can p*** off, the lot.And if the manager tells the madia after the game that: Manchester United being eliminated @ this stage of the CL is nothing new” then he can piss-off too!
March 15, 2018 at 2:15 pm #1612789Zico-We should not buy players older than 26-25,should of never have signed RVP,Bastian,Ibra,Matic,Sanchez.
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