Summer part III The Transfer Strikes Back

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    redsforever
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    We need a left back badly either as back up/understudy to milner with a view to replacing him later on or a new left back to replace him straightaway.

    If milner is injured for say a month we are fked with moreno at LB. i dont trust him at all defensively. Dont forget we got europe nxt season.

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    Rob Fort Worth TX
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    Reds, maybe Klopp is OK with Gomez as LB back-up perhaps (altho untested)? TAA will give Clyne much needed comp (worried about him over a full season). Would defo like Like to see a LB come in allowing Milner rest and recoup and also providing backup for Clyne as well. Interesting to read that both Clyne and Milner were top overlappers last season, great, but how many assists as a result of those overlaps did they get? I only give a rats about that hence the need for two assist providing fulls which we should have and don’t. I honestly believe Milner would correct that on the right.

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    redsforever
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    Rob, rodgers played Gomez at LB against west ham at home and we lost i think 3-0 or 3-1. I remembered he did not look good at LB. but that was 2 years ago maybe he has improved and u could be right abt klopp seeing him as back up LB. But i would be very disappointed if that is the case. We need a proper left back simple as. Who can cross with his left foot.

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    MrMakaveli
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    Rob you may not give a rats ass about that but Klopp will, I know I do. A player can only do their job and a FB/WB under Klopp may have more asked of them than any other position on the pitch. there is also the matter of a player only being responsible for what he actually does. if you want to talk about what crosses end in goals then you also have to factor in the players who are attempting to take those chances. . . So maybe start collecting rats asses?

    Clyne is terrible at creating chances but he’s defensively very solid. Milner is more balanced but he shines when it comes to the offensive side of the game. I’m surprised to see people saying that they don’t trust him defensively but Klopp does. I do hope we sign someone to replace Moreno though. I think that’s our only problem at LB. I am the few though but those stats don’t lie and I’d wonder if there are any out there that support my views further, or maybe weaken them too i suppose.

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    hairyharry
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    if we dont get a LB, and if i was klopp i would play clyne at LB and put milner at RB. as someone mentioned, clyne offensively is crap but defensively solid so it would be the same difference him playing either LB/RB… whilst milner’s best attribute imo is crossing the ball into the box on the run which he will be able to do far better playing on his natural side… an example of that was the cross for lovren’s last gasp goal against dortmund etc

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    ian2105
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    Yep agree that Milner at RB would be both defensively solid but also a better attacking output that clyne. Clyne doesn’t deserve to be dropped though so either he goes to LB or we keep things as they are at full back. Need cover at LB (or a new first team LB), with Milner definitely able to cover LB/RB and of course TAA in the mix as well.

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    ian2105
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    Gomez was hit and miss at LB under rogers. I think there are some rose tinted spectacles in terms of his displays there. I also doubt though whether he would have the fitness after 2 years out and the attacking ability to play full back for Klopp, especially on his weaker foot.

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    ian2105
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    Lol at Emre Can though LB – no thanks!

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    NotoriousBingo
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    Ginger, I just have my doubts about us signing two midfielder in this window. Unless we are selling out of the first team, which I hate to do. The only midfielder I want gone is Stewart, a fringe player, the only one of the senior players to play less than Moreno.

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    NotoriousBingo
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    Lazio supposedly looking at Lucas as they look for a replacement for Biglia, I honestly think Lazio are getting a better player than the outbound Biglia.

    Lucas should be well suited for the italian league, he got bags of composure, tactically aware, can play a number of different roles for the midfield and has a very good range of passing.

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    nediarb2
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    I’d love us to get a specialist lb. I know Milner did a decent job there, but the arrival of a new lb would free him up to play in mf or rb, where he would surely be more at home. Hector is still available and I cannot fathom why we aren’t in for him.

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    Rob Fort Worth TX
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    Mak, are you the new Davinci? 🙂

    Overlaps should be automatic not counted (which they are for statistical and evaluation purposes and I get that). It’s an automatic move to make on the field to provide support and balance.

    Too many times Milner has overlapped, received the ball, cut back to his favoured right and the moment was gone.

    Too many times Clyne’s end product was either a cross at the first defender Glen Johnson style or if it did reach beyond the first defender it was nowhere near a Liverpool player in other words it was just thrown in there.

    I’m also gonna throw poor first touches too in there too when receiving the ball on the overlap because they happened, frequently.

    That’s what I give a rats about. An overlap is automatic and the cross should be treated as a pass, in other words, you still try and want to maintain possession (either to continue the attack with a drop if you don’t see a target or find it there is) and way too many times we didn’t.

    Off to ebay to check on rats asses (with free shipping).

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    gingerlfc
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    The Kieta and Ox deals aren’t reliant upon the other failing.
    Both could very well come in.
    We are going after Kieta because he’s a special player. A players who’s different to what’s out there. He’s almost like 2 players rolled into one, equally as good at defending as attacking.
    The Ox provides speed and tactical flexibility.
    It’s not like Klopp has decided we need a midfielder and they’re his 2 options.

    We could very well sell both Stewart and Lucas.
    Can has yet to sign a new deal with less than a year left on his existing one.

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    NotoriousBingo
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    Your arguments are valid ginger but I still do not see them both coming in. Unless we sell out of the first team and I would hate to see that happen.

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    NotoriousBingo
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    The way i see it is that Keita and Ox would get more gametime than both Lucas and Stewart combined. They would increase competition so much that Stewart would be obsolete at the club. Then with only one or two spot available at the bench there is not the required gametime to play all our midfielders. Two players will always lose out on a starting position with only one of them comig in unless we play with 5 midfielders. Then we still dont know if a leftback is joining, if he arrives then Milner is back in midfield. We also got Grujic who I highly rate. I think he will come good if he manages to get a few starts, he is certain ti start in the cups but he might push for the first eleven if given the opportunity.

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    gingerlfc
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    They may not both come in Bingo but it won’t because we’ve chosen one over the other.

    Klopp has already been talking about greater tactical flexibility next season which could easily mean 4-2-3-1 or 4-4-2 diamond encorporating more midfielders into the system.

    Haven’t we been wanting greater depth on the bench for many seasons now?

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    NotoriousBingo
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    Our depth in midfield is not bad, if we got everyone fit and add a player to it it will be extremely hard to get into the team, out wide though we only have Mane and Salah who are capable players, Coutinho is not bad there but I think we all agree that is better centrall, same goes for Firmino. I reckon we will see another forward coming in rather than two central midfielder.

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    j c
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    I’d imagine Ox is probably going to be used primarily on the wing, if he does sign for us.
    He’s been very effective in the wide areas for Arsenal, and would provide quality competition/cover for mane and salah.

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    NotoriousBingo
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    Are you sure about that JC? I seem to remember a few interviews with him where he states that he wants a more central role, if that is true I don’t see him being keen on a move to play out wide.

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    j c
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    Maybe you’re thinking of his recent move to wingback Bingo? Wouldn’t be surprised if he’s not totally happy with the extra defensive duties.
    We play with fullbacks most of the time, so he’d have less defensive duties in our formation.

    Here he is a couple months ago, talking about his position. No mention of wanting a central role, and no complaints about playing wide, whatsoever.

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