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  • #790073

    Big K
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    Great game, slightly disappointing result but superb entertainment. My assessment of performance – De Gea 7 (no chance with their goals), Young 7 (slightly better attacking than defending), Smalling 5 (back to wrestling his man which proved costly), Blind 6 (occasional misjudgements), Darmian 6 (better than recently), Schneiderlin 6 (stuck to LVG philosophy more than most), Herrera 7 (much improved, ran into space well), Fellaini 5 (worked hard, too many fouls, shocking miss at crucial time), Lingard 7 (bad miss at crucial time spoiled an excellent performance up and down the pitch), Martial 7 (steady, always a threat), Rooney 8 (At last a good performance, shame about the misses).
    Did not agree with either substitution. Memphis 6 (good going forward, awful defence), Mata 5 (lightweight and slow again). Overall a vast improvement, result excepted. I want to see the smiles returning to all players faces. Kudos to Newcastle too, they had some really good performers and commendable spirit.

    #790130

    concernedfan
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    Whichever way we look at the result it was a disappointing outcome in spite of a much improved performance by the team. However it was a game that should have been won – the chief culprits being Lingard, Fellaini, and Smalling. That attack by Smalling on the Newcastle player was absolutely disgraceful – it would have been enough to get him dropped for the next game had it not been at Anfield.
    LvG could not in any way be blamed for the result – the blame lies squarely on the shoulders of the players, particularly those named above.
    However the way the team has been playing these past 5 weeks it looks as if a top 4 position is beyond them, meaning forget Guardiola. He’s not going to a club that failed to reach the CL.
    So when LvG finishes in the summer, the options the Board has to choose from is getting very limited. As far as I can see the only options are either Pochettino – in spite of the fact he’s never won anything – or Simeone – a winner of 5 trophies with Atletico Madrid.

    #790157

    Scholsey
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    We need to buy this window, the squad is not good enough. We need at least a left winger and right winger with pace and the skill to get past players. If it was Martial instead of Rooney running at Coloccini it could have been completely different. Lingaard cannot be trusted and Depay is not ready.

    #790388
    jimshady
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    Actually thought schneiderlin was superb and kept the ball coming, the axis with him and herrera needs to be the focus!

    #790496

    Blacky
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    I’m dreadfully sorry,but anyone who could watch that game and conclude that Schneiderlin was anything other than woeful has to be prepared to have their judgement (and sanity) seriously called into question.I can deal with having a defensive midfielder who is not great on the ball and has a very limited passing range as this guy has got,but if he cannot get around the pitch disrupting the opposition and also fails to provide an adequate shield for our defence as he consistently did last night then I have to conclude that he is just not up to the job.The amount of times Wijnaldum ran away from him and bullied him physically was an embarrassment and I have now seen enough of him to conclude that we have wasted yet another 25M,no wonder nobody else even bothered to rival us for his signature!.
    Compare and contrast him with the lad Kante at Leicester who cost a paltry 5M and you will see that the difference between them is chalk and cheese,simple as that.

    #790727

    jm1502
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    Spot on about Schneiderlin blacky. I never could recall anything he’d done with Southampton that stood out. And he should have got a block in on the Dummett shot last night but failed to get his foot in as usual. Agree, a waste of 25 million and we wouldn’t even get half of that back if we moved him on. And you’re right about the lad Kante, looks a good box to box midfielder with a significantly wider set of skills than Schneiderlin. Our scouts must have missed him!!!

    #790871

    Manthistle
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    On Schneiderlin – last season most of the matches Southampton lost were when he wasn’t playing. This season Utd have lost 7 games but only 1 of those was when Schneiderlin was playing. He must be doing something right.

    93% pass completion last night. 100% in the final 3rd. 100% long passing. Yeah very limited in his passing Blacky.

    Some people’s football knowledge on here is shocking!

    No comments or calls for Rooney to be dropped today. I wonder why that is? Or do we just pick and choose when we want to criticise our players? Today its Schneiderlin’s turn?

    #790880

    Manthistle
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    My ratings last night:

    De Gea 7
    Young 6
    Smalling 6
    Blind 7
    Darmian 7
    Fellaini 3
    Schneiderlin 7
    Martial 8
    Herrera 9
    Lingard 8
    Rooney 10

    Memphis 7
    Mata 5

    #791276
    hatters
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    @Manthisle. If your ratings were anything to go by you would swear we thrashed Newcastle.

    Fact is mate, we drew 3-3 with a crap side which struggles to score goals. Your ratings for the defence are way too generous. Even though they were cleaning up the sh*tstorm created by Fellaini’s presence all evening.

    Fellaini is rubbish.

    #791444

    jm1502
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    Instead of churning out stats every week Manthistle, have you ever thought of just watching how someone performs? It’s impossible to remember any pass Schneiderlin made last night, let alone one in the final third. As for a long one, you must be talking about something else – I bow to your superior knowledge on that subject.

    #791663
    evratime
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    Schneiderlin was poor last night. Nowhere near as poor as Fellaini, but it was poor for Schneiderlin. He’s been very good for United this season, but a common trend amongst United fans is – You’re only as good as your last game. Schneiderlin had a ropey game, so all of a sudden, he is garbage. It is mental. United fans must be the most knee-jerk supporters in the land.

    Whoever is lumbered with “partnering” Fellaini in deep midfield gets absolutely tortured by the opposition. We’ve seen Carrick and Schweinsteiger as well both get abandoned by Felli, and we get torn apart. Schneiderlin had a taste of it last night too. How are we still playing Fellaini as a deep midfielder? Schneiderlin still should have done better, but it’s clear that Fellaini (or lack of) in midfield is being targeted by the opposition. He goes crusading up the pitch, kicking lumps out of everyone, and does everything but his midfield job. Then he goes and misses an absolute sitter, which would have papered over his awful performance. How has he headed that right at the keeper? How can a lad of his size be so terrible at heading?

    That said, our record when Schneiderlin plays vs when he doesn’t is clear as day. We are a much more solid side when he is in it. We concede much fewer, and hardly ever lose. We’ve still only lost 1 league game with him starting. The stats don’t lie. His individual stats don’t lie. His passing, tackling, interceptions, duels are the best in the team and among the best in the league (Go on, compare his stats to other United/PL midfielders on Squawka.com)

    I find it odd that United fans are expecting to be blown away by him, when he is a defensive midfielder. He wins the ball and he plays the short pass to a creative player, and he’s very good at that. It’s no coincidence that Southampton, who had the 2nd best defence in the league last season, are now leaking goals without him. “jm1502” says he never saw anything in him at Southampton. I guess you missed the game against Southampton at Old Trafford last season where he shut down everything and we couldn’t get through him, and we lost 0-1. Did you see any of their games last season? He was a rock, and he’s been a rock for us as well. Last night was poor, but he’s had countless string performances for us. One poor game doesn’t spell a bad player and a “waste of £25m”.

    #791711

    Blacky
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    @manthistle – Totally agree that “some peoples football knowledge on here is shocking” because you are the total epitome of that statement.I concluded that you wouldn’t know what a Manchester United footballer of substance and quality would look like if he was staring you in the face long ago with your illogical Carrick man crush and the fact that you lamented the sale of serial under performers like Welbeck,Kagawa and Nani to name but a few,as well as bigging up the likes of Valencia,Young,Lingard and even McNair even though most fans can see just how bang average they all are.
    Further proof comes from your ridiculous player ratings from last night,I mean seriously Rooney was a 10 and Herrera a 9 with several other 8’s and 7’s?!,as @hatters rightly says that is just so far from reality that I can only conclude that you must be on some sort of a wind up!.
    A far more accurate and honest assessment came from the MEN’s dedicated MUFC reporter Stuart Mathieson as follows:DeGea 7,Young 6,Smalling 6,Blind 5,Darmian 5,Martial 6,Schneiderlin 5,Fellaini 5,Lingard 6,Herrera 6,Rooney 8.Subs Memphis 7,Mata 5
    A far more accurate and honest judgement of the reality of the game rather than the pure fantasy of yours!.He also had this to say about Schneiderlin’s showing:
    “Newcastle got at United’s defence far too often for the Frenchman to claim it was a great holding role performance.”
    Spot on again,simple as that.

    #791750

    Blacky
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    @evratime – FYI I am judging Schneiderlin on his 6 months at the club,not just last night.Anyone who thinks that he has been “very good” all season needs to give their head a wobble because for me has done very little to impress and has hardly ever rated higher than a 6 out of 10 in any game that I have seen him play for us.There have been times when he has been so invisible he could easily have been called Caspar rather than Morgan.We spent 25M on the guy and if we were to sell him now I’m 100% certain we would struggle to get even half our money back so average has he been,simple as that.

    #791900

    Manthistle
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    Blacky. You’re a tool! You have just simple chosen to ignore anything myself and Evratime have stated because it doesn’t suit your opinion or agenda. You’re like a kid in a playground. You don’t look to debate. Just argue.

    #791930
    hatters
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    Alright let’s stay calm fellas. Blacky has his own way.

    I would say that Schneiderlin started the season very well but has lost rhythm in the last 2 months or so. This is partly due to injury and partly due to the chopping and changing with our central midfielders.

    LvG should be ashamed of himself for playing Fellaini as a central midfielder – one of his dumbest decisions yet. Fellaini is just absolutely terrible and I don’t know why he still starts for us – especially in the middle of the park.

    I do not question Schneiderlin’s talent as a ball winning, sitting midfielder at all but he was definitely bad last night, his worst game in a United shirt. Manthistle likes his stats so here goes: Schweinsteiger has started 13 EPL games this season, United have conceded 7 goals in those games. United have conceded 11 goals in the 7 games he has not started. Schweinsteiger might be past his peak but there is a very good reason they call him “Mr Calm” in the dressing room. He would have made sure we didn’t screw up a 2-0 lead.

    It would have been great to have Schweini as an option for retaining the lead yesterday. I am still baffled as to why Fellaini lasted 90 mins when we had a lead and needed to use the possession game LvG has been harping on about for more than a year.

    The tactics yesterday were counter intuitive.

    #791939

    Blacky
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    @manthistle – You are the chuffin’ tool matey,by far the biggest spanner in the box as well!.The only reason I commented on this thread was because jimshady claimed that Schneiderlin had a “superb” game last night which seemed ridiculous enough in itself until you jumped in with your ‘fantasy island’ player ratings,they just seemed to @jm02,@hatters and myself to be nearer to a big wind up than anything else,so outrageous were they.I then merely countered your ratings with what the MEN’s judgement was to provide a proper balance and something far more honest and realistic and to back up my earlier comments,which as far as I’m concerned is just part of the debate.This seems to have caused you to throw your toys out of the pram and chuck out insults,you have some cheek to refer to anyone else as a “kid in the playground”,oh the irony!.If you don’t want people to remember other daft things that you have said in the past and remind you of them then don’t say them in the first place,simple as that.
    As for my response to evratime,I have given him my judgement on Schneiderlin’s performances since he came to OT which I wholeheartedly stand by,christ even he admitted that he was “poor” last night!.He is free to disagree with me just as much as I do with him,it’s no big deal and just FYI I doubt myself and evratime have ever really agreed on anything,so it’s no great surprise we don’t now!.

    #792026

    Manthistle
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    Blackey – your opening thread line:

    “I’m dreadfully sorry,but anyone who could watch that game and conclude that Schneiderlin was anything other than woeful has to be prepared to have their judgement (and sanity) seriously called into question.”

    So basically anyone who doesn’t fall into line and agree with your opinion is insane? Like I said you’re not interested in debating. It’s your way or no way.

    We all have an opinion which we are all entitled to. I have an opinion which I like to back up with statistics.

    Player ratings are all about opinions. Why should some guy from the MEN have more of a valid point than me? Rooney scored 2 yesterday and set up the other. That for me warranted a 10 out of 10. What’s wrong with that?

    You have to realise that we aren’t going to have 11 world class players playing week in week out. If you continue to be negative and criticise every single area of the team and club until that happens then I’m afraid you’ll never be happy.

    Many if the ex pros were happy with Utd last night as was I. I will take their opinion over your any day of the week.

    Why criticise my positive slant on some of our players past and present to the point that I’m a lunatic for those opinions? Why? Because they don’t match your?

    You need to learn to respect other peoples opinions and try and back up your arguments with facts rather than picking up your ball and taking it home because we’re not playing the way you want us to play.

    #792038

    Manthistle
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    Jm1502 – I watched the match last night. If you think it’s impossible to remember a pass watch it again. He made 56 of them. 52 reached their target. 16 of them were in the final 3rd and all of them were completed passes. He made 6 long balls all of which reached their target. But Blackey says he has a limited passing range so we’ll take that as gospel then because he says so?

    People tend to remember things that go against them and forget the things that go for them. It’s natural. I do it to. When I play poker I only remember when I get a bad beat and curse my luck but I never remember when I get the rub if the green. Maybe if you watch a game and look for the positives instead of the negatives you’ll be a lot happier.

    #792137

    united_we_win
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    Anyone want entertainment watch liverpool s approach play against arsenal! Forgive my rant! You Dutch dinosaur tw.. wherever you are watch the the game and see how far off the pace you are, you assh…

    The board you cowards you utter gormless bs… Sat there watching the dross turn up week on week and count your money what has caused you to remain unmoved and accept this? You clueless ass… I wish they could be lined up interrogated and whipped into submission.

    #792302

    united80
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    united_we_win, feel ya pain man but you’re only gonna have a seizure dude. The board and LVG and the staff around him need to go but the board won’t admit being dicks and making an enormous mistake keeping Loser Van Gormless, UNTIL we are mathematically out of reaching CL next season. Trust me pal, if I got anywhere near any of them I would be lifted for aggravated assault but it get’s us nowhere mate. Just have to ride this bastard out my mate. I, and others too, have given back all my tickets for this season and will renew my membership when LVG has been given his retirement home in Portugal.

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