The Mourinho effect

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  • #1601031
    Wonderfuel Gas
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    One of many. And I think he does have the fans behind him. Let’s keep the casket closed though.

    #1601038
    MacGuffin
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    Judging by the posters here I’m not sure he does have the fans behind him. And that you are not sure “his heart is in it” is not what I call confidence in the manager. I suspect you are behind him in the sense you would like to see him come good, you think he has the potential. Fair enough, but that’s not quite the same.

    #1601499
    redblood
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    I bet we are all glad Jose stayed away from the likes of D.Rose,J.Rodriguez,and R.Sanches-for the time being anyway?

    #1659552
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    Looks like its difficult to bring in players when Mourinho is the manager.
    Or is it the bad weather in Manchester?

    #1659553
    Alfie07
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    Hasn’t Pep struggled too? Sanchez and that Napoli player moving elsewhere.

    Poch has signed no one and the Chelsea boss only one midfielder.

    If other teams were signing world class centre backs or full backs then i’d be worried, but they are not.

    Been a funny old transfer window.

    Ironically no doubt we’ll end up with a couple of other signings and people will find something to complain about then, too.

    #1659629
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    Are we shifting focus from title contenders to top4 contenders? Why have you changed the goalposts? Because of short of transfers or Mourinho´s press conferences?

    Yes its a strange transferwindow but Pep won the league and dont need to spend on new players as much as Mourinho need. Pep make his signings hit the ground running while Morinho makes very good players very bad.

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    Sorry Zico, I have no idea what your first paragraph is on about. Is it even aimed at me? Who has moved goalposts? I replied to your post about Mourinho finding it hard to bring in players.

    As for the second paragraph – it’s quite clear that Pep wanted Sanchez and Jorginho. They have gone elsewhere (ironically one came to us – Mourinho wasn’t an issue then).

    And the sentence regarding Mourinho turning good players in to bad players seems quite agenda driven and not relevant to what we were discussing.

    At the end of the day this has not been a good window for us, but there is a bit of time left still and things could change.

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    Alfie – My worry is that we appear to be looking to offload our youngsters and signing players on the way down. Martial rumoured to be on his way plus Chong being told he’s not ready and Perriera probably going out on loan again for the umpteenth time. Talk of us signing Alderweireld, Willian and Perisic who are all 29 is depressing.

    #1659648
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    The general consensus in here was make or break season for Mourinho eg win the title or sod off. But you clearly dont agree so pardon me.

    Mourinho wasnt the issue for Sanchez coming but how many have turned us down?
    The word amongst pro players out there is it could risk your career coming to Mourinho,at least if you are young and a flair player.

    If you have seen matches last season you shouldnt questioning if players have gone backwards with Mourinho because its bleeding obvious.

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    “The word amongst pro players out there is it could risk your career coming to Mourinho”. Fucking hell Zico is talking to football players now. Did you manage to chat to Fred, Zico? He actually turned down City and came to United, did he tell you why he did that?

    Young flair players gong backwards under Mourinho. Ok, let’s see;

    Rashford – World’s 2nd most valuable young player behind Mbappe. Was one of the players most used by Jose last season, seems to be growing in confidence for United and England. Verdict – he’s not gone backwards!

    Lingard – Nope, best ever season in football. Was nowhere near the England set up in Euro 2016 and was one of the first names on the teamsheet in Russia. Turning into a very good player at the perfect time, all under Jose’s tutelage.
    Verdict – he’s not gone backwards!

    Martial – Didn’t get enough game time in the 2nd part of the season due to Sanchez’s arrival. Before that was having his best season at the club, with the best goals/assists to minutes ratio of any winger in the league. Needs to kick on this season.
    Verdict – Good start and stalled mid-season, not gone backwards!

    Who’s left? Pereira – Two loan spells and has come back looking very good in pre-season. Verdict – Not gone backwards!

    Is there any other young flair player that Jose is completely ruining?

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    MT – i’m Not sure the general principle is to offload the youngster. It may be that he wants to get rid of the youngsters who are not good enough or had attitude problems – but we have always done that. Heck, Fergie even got rid of Pogba (or refused to meet his contact demand, which resulted in him leaving). Ravel Morrison was meant to be the best player since Best. He went too.

    Martial divides opinion. Personally I thought that between him and Rashford we had the LW sewn up. Sanchez was brought to play on the right, that seemed a good decision at the time. But it didn’t work out and now he has affected the LW position and Martial is not happy as a result.

    I don’t think that was planned at all, just a consequence of events.

    I hope Pereira gets some chances next season, and with what we have there I don’t think we need another CM. Others strongly disagree and want another CM signed. Whatever happens will cause people to complain.

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    Zico – not sure what your latest first paragraph is about either.

    I have no idea who has turned us down, or for what reason. If you want to list them then maybe we could discuss, but two turned Pep down so it happens to all clubs. It’s just the world of football. We’ve never been able to sign whoever we want, even when Fergie was manager.

    Again, the third paragraph wasn’t something that I was discussing with you.

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    happyhurling

    Rashford has not progressed under Jose. Gets brought on for cameos most games. If he does well a la Liverpool Jose has no choice but to start him the next game but he invariably plays him out of position then drops him again when he inevitably under performs.
    Martial has gone backwards because Jose can’t man manage.
    Shaw is the same as Martial
    Lingard is the only player who has improved although fergie stated a while back that we’ll only start to see the best of Lingard in his mid 20s like Tigana.
    Depay was sold
    Januzaj was sold
    Perriera loaned out
    Mkhitaryan sold
    Lukaku has not progressed since he arrived, arguably under performed last season yet looked a world beater at the World Cup under a different manager.
    Sanchez has been shite since he came.
    Pogba again looked twice the player for France as he looks for Utd.
    Matic started the season well but his performances waned as the season progressed.
    Will Keane was sold.

    It would be easier to say who has improved or plays to their potential under Jose. I’d say Lingard, de Gea and Young. Compare that to Pep at City or Pochetino at Spurs and it’s a big worry.

    #1659742

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    Alfie07 – I don’t think you can compare Martial with Ravel Morrison or Pogba. I’d say he was more like Nani who Fergie stuck by and allowed him to become one of our star player in 2010/11.

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    Maybe, but the point was that we aren’t doing anything different with young players now than before.

    Ironically if Jose plays McTominnay next season they’ll be more complaints. The fella can’t win!

    I get that people don’t like Mourinho, but some need to be honest when having a go at him. A lot of this stuff is simply because they don’t like him rather than anything else.

    #1659770

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    Manny – Good post. I’m not in full agreement about Rashford, I think Jose is doing a good job with his development. As well as Lingard. Just because SAF said Lingard would come good around 24 doesn’t mean Jose hasn’t developed him.
    And I don’t take all this Pep is God stuff either. You’ve listed several players Jose has sold, what about Pep? I seem to remember him shipping out a lot of players last summer. And what about his development of Stones, Danilo, B. Silva, Jesus etc? If you shine the light on him and look closer there are cracks as well.
    Lukaku has improved immensely under Jose too. You’d have to add Valencia to your list too – he’s been one of Jose’s most consistent performers the last 2 years.

    #1659790
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    @manthistle. I’d just like to (again) point out the subjectivity of your opinions. I try to be as objective as possible when judging the club and the manager and have found that there are just too many of our fans who are failing to exercise their own opinions when they make judgments on the club and especially the manager. When you say that we “appear” to be looking to offload our youngsters for older players on the downward slide, you surely have to back that statement up with some facts. When you look at Mourinho’s signings overall, they are all in the right age bracket besides the following players:

    – Ibrahimovic – Brought in as a stop gap and did a magnificent job for the dressing room and the money men. Free transfer.
    – Matic – Crucial signing. Probably the primary reason for our 81 point tally last season as opposed to our paltry return the season before. Tactically, he has stabilized the team.
    – Sanchez – Beat Manchester City to his signature and a top class player who has everything to prove next season which incidentally will be the first season he has had with a summer rest for 5 or so years. I have already said that I believe he will be massive for us next season. I hope those who wrote him off last season will have the decency to admit they were wrong. Top class player.

    These “older” players have impacted the team immeasurably when we needed immediate impact besides Sanchez who I am certain is about to make a lot of football fans swallow their words.

    The rest of the players Mourinho has bought specifically for the first team are all under 25 years of age: Bailly, Pogba, Lindelof, Fred, Dalot, and Lukaku are all in the prime age for transfers in.

    The facts do not corroborate your opinion manthistle.

    It’s fair enough to say that Mourinho is failing to develop the young players but the case for our transfer strategy being “sell young talent and buy old players on the wane” is false.

    Martial remains a Manchester United player and is going nowhere. Additionally, you decide to believe the Aldeveireld, Perisic, and Willain rumours when I can equally “decide” to believe the Harry Maguire, Malcolm, and Mbappe rumours. It’s all about perception and state of mind.

    As for Chong, I have no idea if you have watched the preseason but maybe Mourinho’s assessment of his game was too accurate for you and I quote: “He was good. He came with the intention to show, and in a moment where we have no strikers on the pitch, Martial was the only one and then he left, so we needed people to create, have some initiative, which he did. The action for the cross for the goal is a beautiful action. He was enthusiastic, he was confident to play. Of course physically he has his limitations, and when he has one more touch and he allows that body contact of course he loses it, but when he makes the ball move and attacks people one against one, he has quality. He’s a good kid.”

    You interpret this quote as Mourinho dismissing him while I interpret this quote as Mourinho praising and encouraging him with the knowledge that he will obviously fill out and become a man. Again, you are blinded by your agenda against Mourinho.

    You are part of a completely unfounded mass hysteria campaign about Manchester United being on the verge of collapse which is not really based on any actual facts when you look deeper. If you want Mourinho out because he’s an asshole and has a bad brand of football then perhaps you should just say that instead of regurgitating the lazy journalism out there.

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    Hatters – great post mate! 👍

    #1659802

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    @happy – Seriously mate, I am increasingly becoming concerned that your ‘full glass’ is actually being refilled with liquified crack cocaine!. That’s the only excuse I can come up with for the continuous absolute gold plated bullshit that is being spewed from your keyboard!.
    Firstly, to say that Rashford has “progressed” one single iota since his initial impact into the team as an unknown teenager is laughable in the extreme!. Have you actually watched the guy at all and analysed his game?, obviously not because I hate to say it but I think he has been found out big time and that unfortunately he will never progress much further from where he is at now.
    I said months ago that the lad had “all the gear but no idea” and every time I’ve watched him since it has only reinforced that view. His one on one finishing is so fucking bad it’s Gary Birtles’esque, and I swear to fuck that if Marcus Rashford had actually shot John Lennon back in 1980 then that Scouse fucker would still be alive and well today.
    As for Valencia, sweet Jesus Christ talk about clutching at straws!. His game now is exactly the same as it has been for years and every time he gets the ball in any sort of offensive position everyone knows the best we can hope for is a corner or a throw in because all the brainless fucker can do is smash the ball with his eyes closed and hope for the best.
    I absolutely get that you are trying to spin a positive view as the new season approaches but FFS don’t try and teach your grandma to suck eggs mate, simple as that.

    #1659827
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    Well the season has barely even started, yet the dreaded “JOSE 3rd SEASON SYNDROME” has struck.

    This Martial saga is truly hocking man management from him. It has exposed his 1 dimensional man management skills. Taking on the TOUGH LOVE approach on everyone will never EVER work. I was truly looking forward to seeing him prove all his critics wrong but this leopard will never change. Martial has the ability to be a top player and I bet if he was working under Fergie/Pep/Simeone he would have been even better. And the irony of this whole Jose issue I have is that he seems to pick on our most talented players. Pogba has just won a world cup yet he hasnt espcaped this man’s wrath. He openly showed his compassion to the donkey that is Fellaine and publicly begged him to stay, yet can easily discard our talented players. The mere fact that he wants to sign Ante Rebic when he has Martial is diabolical at best. Being upset that the boy wanted to be present for the birth of his child is absolutely pathetic

    The scousers have improved, city are already top, arsenal will be better while were self destructing.

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