The trigger and Mr Trump

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  • #1461875
    knotter
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    Not a mention of Mr Trump’s 59 Cruise missile raid on the Syrian Airbase?
    What a curious bunch these Liberals are to be sure…….ha ha ha
    What’s up boys? Cat got your tongue?

    #1461878
    j c
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    There was a bit of chat about this in the RIP thread.

    #1461949
    knotter
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    Sorry jc I missed the comments on the other thread, though it is worth having a thread to mark the moment that the Trump administration moved from being the source of jest and suspicion into a whole other thing.
    Suddenly the laughing falls quiet and the criticism more muted as Trump takes a decision warmly applauded by those Syrian civilians and refugees so dear to the hearts of Liberals everywhere, and a new disquiet enters calculations in the courts of Assad and Putin. This aint Obama.
    All this of course is no comfort to the civilians killed in the missile strike but the threat from Trump to return to this issue in the event of more chemical attacks may have save many lives in the long run.
    This may well prove a milestone in events, it is much harder for second rate comedians and agenda driven journalists to continue their campaigns against this kind of backdrop. They just look irrelevant and stupid.
    Breakfast next day, with the Chinese in attendance, must have been interesting.

    #1461974
    D1rtyH4rry
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    The problem with Syria, is that if you want to pick a side, it’s either assad or ISIS. If you remove assad, it will create a power vacuum, and there are no prizes for guessing who will take advantage of it. Add to that the Russian and American political tensions, it becomes a very complicated situation indeed. I mean what if I told you that there are reports Assad didn’t use chemical weapons but potentially bombed a rebel stockpile of sarin instead. The reason IS don’t admit to having Sarin is because it takes away the plausible deniability that it’s only Assad using them. I’m not past caring but I am past trying to work out what’s best for Syria, because I am grossly under qualified.

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    knotter
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    Syria is a part of a civil war within Islam, as far as that goes it is none of our business. The decision to weaponise immigrants and send them into Europe is our business and it is one which the Russians are unlikely to wish to give up, given the success it has had so far.
    My comments referred to Trump and another civil war that is going on in American politics, one that is echoed across Europe, the ever on going tension between liberality and nationalism.
    Trump has just woken up his critics with a strong statement about the power of his position,he has also woken up his enemies too with his willingness to pull the trigger with probably the most sophisticated conventional arsenal of weapons on the planet.
    It was a symbolic gesture, but a powerful one.
    Assad is back dropping barrel bombs this morning apparently, more houses destroyed, more people on the road to Europe. More world changing themes in population and culture.
    We may yet again have cause to thank God, providence, or whatever, for that thin strip water just past Dover.

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    Experts have ruled out the Russian theory that Syrian airstrikes hit a rebel chemical weapons factory Harry.

    At the end of the day Assad is a very weak leader, what kind of govt is so insecure it tortures children for anti-govt graffiti (one of the significant events that lead to the civil war).
    ‘Sovereign’ states like this are a perversion of nature if you ask me. You should have someone fit for leadership in charge, not just inherit leadership.

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    Knotter, I agree with you. There have always been civil wars one way or another within Islam. It’s the nature of the beast. The problem for us these days though is that ever increasing numbers of their brethren have been methodically indoctrinated to do maximum harm against us the west. Meanwhile, Europe’s woefully pathetic leaders are welcoming them onto our shores in ever increasing droves to feel free to infiltrate themselves and their heathen doctrine into every nook and cranny of Europe.
    In the UK today we house them, we feed them and we clothe them. We give them pin money, we pay their rent, we pay their health bills, we pay their child benefits, we pay for their parents benefits and even pay for their grandparents benefits when they inevitably get the green light to be welcomed onto our shores with open arms.
    Why are we so pathetically soft and naive not to do more to protect our ‘British way of life’ that our mum’s and dad’s fought and sacrificed their lives for? Especially when we know that radicalised hateful Muslim fuck-wits want to blow up, poison and maim our own people.
    Never mind the ins and outs and uncertainty of Brexit. Unless someone with balls sorts this cancerous Muslim problem out soon, this country will continue to slide down the crapper no matter what. If someone doesn’t act soon, you can kiss goodbye to Easter eggs and Father Christmas!
    Len.

    #1463077
    Johnny Utah
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    Trump administration doing a bit of Holocaust denial today. It was only a matter of time, alt-right

    Hitler didn’t gas his people

    Calling concentration camps Holocaust centres

    He is up to apology and clarification number 4 now, I believe.

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    j c
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    Johhny, this didn’t really happen did it?

    #1463082
    Johnny Utah
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    Yup, Sean Spicer is losing the plot and its during Passover.

    #1463085
    j c
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    Just saw the clip Johnny.

    He said ‘Even Hitler didn’t use chemical weapons’, referring to an agreement a treaty between nations a while ago prohibiting the use of chemical weapons in war. Obviously Hitler did use gas in the death camps though, and Spicer clarified that later on.

    It was a bit of a gaffe Johnny no doubt about that, but certainly not a holocaust denial.

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    Johnny Utah
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    Obviously you would think that JC. He is the press secretary. Talking is his game. Probably listening to Bannon too much. Holocaust Centres. He makes it sound like Butlins.

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    Johnny Utah
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    By they way, this is the second time the Trump administration has been accused of Holocaust denial, he has only been in charge for three months.

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    knotter
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    Dear dear…..this really is desperately scraping the barrel for something to throw at Trump. It’s perfectly obvious what was meant, to follow the critics argument is a bit like saying that someone who accidentally gases themselves in the home has, ‘turned a weapon on themselves’,…. semantic bu**shit.
    The point being made was obviously that even the Nazi’s hesitated to use chemical weapons in a battlefield situation,no doubt for fear of retaliation…..
    And if we are going to get semantically sensitive, maybe we should mention the million plus troops maimed or killed by chemical weapons in the First World War.Weapons incidentally, used by both sides.
    The anti Trump camp must be really rattled to grasp desperately for straws like this.
    It’s a fascinating watch.

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    Johnny Utah
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    Actually, Holocaust denial can be a serious offence, leading to huge fines or prison.

    You say semantics, Spicer says Hitler did not target his own people, he targeted others. I guess he means Jews, disabled or gay people for example are others. Not people.

    Yeah. Semantics.

    #1463368
    Johnny Utah
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    Trump was just on Fox and didn’t know which country he had bombed. Thought it was Iraq.

    #1463382
    j c
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    Get used to it knotter, any time Trump or Spicer makes a semantics error, or mis-speak in a verbal setting, Johnny will be here to tell us all about it.

    Thanks Johnny, marvelous work. That impeachment must surely be coming, any day now…

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    MacGuffin
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    I agree with knotter. Spicer said “chemical weapons”. The gas used in the gas chambers was not a weapon. Had they fired cannisters into the chambers then it could be. Its clear what Spicer meant but it was unwise because anything about Hitler is dangerous territory given how jews are likely to react.

    That said, I’d like to know if the napalm the US used in Vietnam is a chemical weapon. Will the US publicly state whether it has chemical or biological weapons or programs.

    AND I would not be surprised if Russia is right, Syria did not use chemical weapons, it hit a ISIS bomb making depot. What I don’t get it is, IF Syria launched a flight squadron (ie several planes) armed with weapons of MASS destruction, howcome there were only (approx) 90 fatalities.

    AND with the US carrier group off North Korea, what will happen if N.Korea carries out another missile test. Will the US bomb them. IF they truly believe Korea has nukes, I don’t think they would. Had Saddam had nukes I doubt they would have attacked him. Korea is right, US attacks on Iraq and Syria are precisely why Korea wants nukes!

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    Johnny Utah
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    MacGuffin, that’s not correct. A weapon is:

    “A thing designed or used for inflicting bodily harm or physical damage.”

    The gas in a gas chamber is clearly a weapon.

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