Trophies Must Come

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    Rob Fort Worth TX
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    Seeing United deservedly win (they were always gonna win it) the Europa (they played like we should have done a year ago) fills me with more frustration regarding last year’s finals.

    Even with sub standard teams (compared to their teams of the past) United have still picked up three trophies in the last three seasons; they have a winning mentality and we don’t, yet.

    Their team still has winners and when you have winning parts in your engine success will always, generally, be around the corner.

    Jurgen has to bring in winners, leaders, warriors of Gerrard and Suarez ilk. We can’t keep relying on the odd wonder goal from Phil or the occasional contribution from our other midfielders or hope one day Daniel stays fit for three straight games (I honestly think his body is chronic, fit for the odd game but several in succession and his permanent issues return).

    We have to bring in a friggin ball breaker in mid, a ruthless SoB up front, a lefty who can beat a full then whip in a cross (I love Milner but how many times does he get level with the 18 yard box and then cut back on his right and find Phil?). I am OK with Migs right now. I think he’s matured and developed well this season. That is NOT a huge priority area.

    I am OK with Joel, Clyne (as long as his attacking end product is worked on), Lovren (as a back up or in a back line of three CB’s), Milner needs to stay (he’d make a terrific right back and he’s won stuff!), Hendo (again, how convinced are we that his foot issues aren’t temporary and how convinced are we that he is the ‘main man’ we need in mid at the cost of Wij or Can who I think are better than our ‘captain’) – sorry to be harsh but I will go back to United winning three trophies in three years again). Phil and Bobby obviously need to stay as should Lallana, Mane and Grujic. Ings has to be given the opportunity. Harshness here folks (but not much) but Origi needs to be loaned out or sold. Not good enough, end of. Had many, many opportunities this season and bar the occasional flash he hasn’t convinced at all. In his defence tho I am sure he’d would have a few more to his tally if the final ball from our fulls had been better because Origi is good in the air. Milner cuts back constantly and Clyne either does the similar or doesn’t a find anyone in a Liverpool shirt. Alexander Arnold is one for the future as is Gomez (back up) but others like Stewart etc need to be loaned for experience.

    Winners folks, winners. I know winners come with price tag and winners tend to move on to other winning teams but we’ve finished fourth which is great, but no trophy for fourth, just a CL qualifier (great!). United have been building momentum by winning physical trophies and we need to start lifting silverware too for the obvious reasons.

    Those saying baby steps, I agree, but we’ve been saying that since our second place finish which seems bloody yonks ago. Babies grow and we need too, quickly, to compete in the big boys playground.

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    redsforever
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    I think utd winning the final has more to do with mourinhos tactics. THe man knows how to set up a team defensively especially when defending a lead. I dont think fellaini herrera mkitaryan darmian who all started last night won anything with their previous clubs. Mki maybe the german cup not sure. I dont think mata won the lge with chelsea. Its the art of defending a lead or shutting up shop that we havent mastered yet. Ive lost count how many times we drew or lost after taking a lead in klops time.

    Of course if we can get winners this summer im all for it that would help. But i also hope klopp can be a bit more flexible with tactics. I fully agree tho that we need a ball breaker that would improve our defending.

    #1486428

    gingerlfc
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    We need to be finishing top 4 AND winning some silverware next season otherwise the season will deemed a failure.

    #1486429

    redsforever
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    Yup winning a trophy is a must. I cant believe we havent won anythibg for 5 years now.

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    nocturnal_red
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    on what basis do you say that top 4 and a trophy is a must ginger? we don’t have the squad and we dont have the money to spend like City/Chelsea/United and to an extent Arsenal

    Klopp is flexible enough, I think in the last 13 games or so we lost only 1 game and kept many clean sheets, Klopp played Lucas in the midfield ahead of more attacking options and he was more cautious towards the tail end when we were not on song attacking wise

    I don’t get why you would play like Jose did in the final, whats the point in spending so much money and having attacking talents like Martial/Mhki/Rashford and Pogba? if it wasn’t for a fluke goal from a huge deflection United wouldn’t have had a sniff against a young team that seemed unable to deal with the occasion

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    nocturnal_red
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    I hope to see progress on the pitch and I am optimistic about us winning something… but I would place no demands on the manager just because we haven’t won anything in a long time, it’s not this team’s or manager’s fault

    #1486441

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    If we don’t get top 4 and a trophy it will be stagnation or a step backwards.
    We have won 1 trophy in a decade I believe now. That’s absolutely shocking!
    Simply not good enough for Liverpool Football Club.
    We don’t need City/Utds spending in order to win a domestic cup. Plenty of other teams have won cups without their level of wealth.
    It’s not beyond us to win the FA/League Cup and finish top 4 now is it?
    If it is then we really need to take a long hard look at ourselves and what direction we are going.

    “I don’t get why you would play like Jose did in the final”
    Could you show me where I indicated that I wanted LFC to play like Jose did last night? Thanks

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    MrMakaveli
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    A good post Rob. Loads in there that I agree with. I’m sure we’ll be a better team/squad going into next season than we were going into this one. We have to make a big step up in that regard, especially quality in depth but we’ve progressed over both of Klopp’s seasons.

    I don’t agree that next season will be a failure if we don’t win any trophies. Next season is a success if we finish higher up in the league and have a good CL run. it’s all about progress and although I’d love a cup, I’d be disappointed with a the League cup and getting knocked right out of the CL.

    #1486444

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    Noc i dont mean going full blown defensive mode all the time like jose. There were times this season i think we should have been more defensive. Like leading 3-1 at bournemouth with 20 mins to go instead we countered. Or against sevilla last season after taking the lead.

    #1486445

    redsforever
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    I AGree with ginger on winning trophies. LIVerpool is all about winning trophies . We got to have the ambition

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    nocturnal_red
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    reds that’s fair but I do think Klopp is more flexible than you think, if you think back to how we’ve played the last two months we have been much more balanced than usual

    ginger the part re Jose was meant for Redsforever

    regarding top 4 and a trophy… no as of now our squad is not good enough for a top 4 finish, especially if you want us to be competitive in the domestic cups and play in the CL as well… we’ll improve in the summer sure but the other clubs will as well

    of course we are good enough to win the league/fa cup but you can’t guarantee anything in football, it’s a game of fine margins and while I think we will do well in the cups I won’t say it’s a failure of we don’t win any as long as we improve as a team

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    nocturnal_red
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    I don’t mean to be pessimistic, I wish for all the glory in the world for LFC and I think we’ll do very very well next season because Klopp is a fantastic coach and out best players are young who will only get better
    I just don’t think making any ‘demands’ of the team or manager when they don’t have the proper tools yet is unreasonable

    #1486461
    nocturnal_red
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    @rob I agree about the type of players that we need and the winning mentality that we need to build in the team… our scouts have to earn their money as I don’t see us going for many ‘ready-made’ players

    #1486462

    gingerlfc
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    If we finished 3rd next year and didn’t win a trophy I’d be disappointed.
    Liverpool Football club is all about winning trophies. We’ve lost our way a bit this last decade. It’s time to get back on track and get back to winning ways.

    #1486468

    Sean the sailor
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    we need to start winning cups again. One cup in 11 years is not good enough. We have spend a lot of money. We have ateam that can beat anyone on there day. Top 4 is asign of progress now we need to start winning trophies

    #1486470

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    Im pretty sure that Klopp will be out the door if he can’t come up with a title challenge in the next two seasons.

    I’m quite confident that will happen, he knows what it takes, is a leader himself.

    We just need to trim the deadweight of the squad and find some suitable additions to the first team.

    I don’t see the sense in mocking about waiting for players such as Stewart though, he is in the same age category as Can.

    We got a few prospects though but we need to understand that out of the reserves we got, only 2-3 of them are going to make it into the lineup without making any guarantees though.

    It’s easy to argue that with another signing like Mane we could have competed for the title but we got more games next season but still the possibility is there.

    10-15 extra goals to what we got could go a long way, one extra defender battling for a starting position could get us 5 extra clean sheets, same goes for a starting keeper.

    If we really wanna go for it the one way would be to offload our injury prone players, get some players in that can actually compete, we got enough players in the physio room. Banking on them to come good has never resulted in a title.

    Just look at the two last winners of the league, Leicester and Chelsea, both played the same team nearly for a full campaign.

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    mwake
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    Interesting post, I expected this type of post as I myself was jealous of seeing Man Utd pick up another trophy. However, we have to have context. We are no longer the Liverpool of the seventies or even eighties. This premier leagu is no longer as easy as it was in the 90’s or even the noughties (Arsene Wenger will testify to that one).

    Things have changed, I’m more up for steady sustained progress rather than burdening the manager and club with unnecessary expectations.

    Look at tottenham, what have they achieved in terms of trophies? Not too much. However I envie Tottenham probably more than any other team in the premiership. They have built a solid team based on clever long term planning and are progressing every year. We have the manager to replicate the progression that Spurs have enjoyed. I believe if we keep doing that trophies will happen naturally.

    As for United, every man and his dog knows that last years Uefa League was far harder than this seasons; furthermore we were a kick/save away from lifting the League cup against city whilst they had to play Southampton.

    Good things come to those who wait.

    #1486490

    gingerlfc
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    We don’t need to be the Liverpool of the 70s or 80s to be be winning silverware.
    Winning trophies becomes a habit but the habit has to be formed in the first place. That then teaches the players how to get across the line in those big games. Players want to be winning trophies. They want to be able to look back on their career and look at what they won. If we start regularly winning then not only wil it be easier to keep hold of the players we have but it will also be easier to attract new players.

    #1486493

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    Wanting liverpool to win a trophy is now burdening the club with ‘unnecessary expectations’? I know us liverpool fans have stopped expecting to win the league for a long time now.. but now we cant even expect to win the league cup? I didnt know weve set the bar so low

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    MrMakaveli
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    You can’t expect to win any cup before you’ve even kicked a ball in it. This isn’t Real.

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