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    andy528
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    One thing that hasn’t been discussed on here is the issue around wages and new contracts for Ozil and Sanchez.

    It’s difficult to know if any of what is being reported in the press has even a shred of truth to it but what we all agree on, is that we need them signed up and we know that it hasn’t happened yet.

    Start with Alexis…..rumours in the press yesterday that Chelsea are hovering and that he has been offered 400k a week in China. That is a non starter. A player as driven and ambitious as Alexis is not going to move to China in his peak years. Chelsea is a different matter. We know the wealth they have and now suddenly they look like title favourites. He is our best and most needed player in my opinion. He is a consistent performer and should be the highest paid player at the club. I don’t know what he is asking for but I would imagine, whatever Ozil is wanting, Sanchez, rightly so wants the same. They were both rumoured to be on something like 140k a week in August this year. However Matt Law has a piece in the Telegraph today saying Ozil is actually on more than Sanchez and that he doubts the club would sanction the same huge deal for both players. Law speculates that Ozil is asking for something in the region of 380k a week!!

    So….if it comes to it and the club won’t play ball with both of them…..what doe we do? Awful thing to have to decide but I would go with Alexis. For me he is our go to guy and a genuine world class striker and they simply do not come about all that often. No denying the ability of Ozil but to be demanding a salary like that (if its true!) I would want him scoring 3 and making another 5 every game!! against proper teams as well. Not just turning up when it suits him.

    I’m sure what we can all agree on is that money in football has lost all sense of reality and perspective.

    #1357453

    fatmop
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    There seems to be a real shortage of world class strikers so I think losing Sanchez would hurt us the most but I cant see us paying more than 200k a week to him or Ozil. .

    Maybe there is an argument that we should give the what they want, they are the first two names on the team sheet, important players that would cost a fortune to replace. But say we did agree to pay £40m a year to keep them – we could afford that but what happens when other players hit a bit of form and come up to contract renewal? or we go out and buy a new player? They may not ask for the same, they may not be as good but they’ll want half, which is double of what they are currently on, quite simply we can’t afford to double the wage bill

    Money in football most definitely has lost all sense of reality and perspective but Arsenal like it or not is run as a business and paying one player over £10m a year I can’t see happening. I don’t want to lose either but if they want to leave for money so be it.

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    the specialone
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    Wow,there already seems to be this presumption that sanchez is already a “world class striker”.Granted he has 11 goals paying central most of the season(but some of the goals have come from the wing as well,which is why I stress that more than the position I feel the player has really stepped up and due to him being pushed further forward he’s adding more goals).
    However I did point out the inconsistency of his pattern of scoring goals, where he’s done it mostly against average teams and not the bigger sides(except chelsea).It will only tell us it has worked what wenger has tired out this season only once it is over.And
    1)If he can remain top scorer 2)How close we will go to the title will be two deciding factor of how successful it has been.

    On a personal note,I’d pay be willing to bump up sanchez and ozil’s salary upto 200k and 180k respectively.Because we sure can afford to.Because if we lose either of them we might as well say goodbye to any title hopes whatsoever under any manager for that matter.
    What I want to see is us really sign a natural world class striker,I’ve been wanting to see it since a long time.

    #1357720

    Chanondler Bong
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    It would be pretty devastating to see one or both of them leave. They are without doubt our best players. But in a completely unfair world where we could only keep one of them then I suppose Alexis would be my choice. Dont get me wrong Ozil is amazing and my favourite player in this team but i just think that Alexis’ work rate and desire to win make him stand out as a truly special player.

    With regards to wages I think its going to be the same old arsenal. The club will be willing to go only so high and will then not budge. I would almost prefer if Sanchez went to China, at least then you could say that it was completely for the money. But signing for the likes of chelsea would be an absolute nightmare. Worse then the Van Persie saga. We were still miles behind the big english teams financially when he left for United but this time around it would be different. We have all sort of been led to believe that the club is pretty much as strong as anyone with regards to finance (A few Exceptions). So to lose our best players to rivals who are just willing to spend more money on them would be a disgrace, especially when we have enough money to pay them what they want. Did I read somewhere that we have a higher wage budget than Chelsea ???? even if we dont, we cant be that far off it. Which makes me think ” how can we lose a player to chelsea when we pay the same amount in wages as them!!!” There must be a lot of deadwood players who are stealing a living. Prime example being Theo. I have never been a big fan of his. He just doesnt have enough ability to play for us imo. If we had to free up some money then the simple solution would be to sell him and use the transfer fee + his freed up wages to give sanchez and ozil what they want.

    Its sad to think that we are back in this situation again. I really thought the days of selling our best players was over. I think we will probably lose one of them, probably sanchez. If that happens then the club will have a lot to answer for.

    COYG

    #1357843

    andy528
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    TSO – that does seem to be a popular debate re Sanchez at the minute – whether he is world class. I suppose another way to spin it would be, who would we replace him with, who would be a realistic/available target. I couldn’t see us finding a better option within at the minute. Form and consistency are vital when looking at this kind of thing and that is where Ozil frustrates me more than anyone and I can understand why he is often called a flat track bully.

    Fatmop – you are absolutely right. This sort of thing will always set a precedent and negotiations are made so much harder by deals like the Pogba one. He is on wages which are beyond comprehension, even in footballing terms and from what I have seen of him so far, United are being ripped off. However, other players, who are considered the prize assets of their respective teams, will use his kind of salary for leverage. Our problem is that there are still a number of major teams in the world who will pay the sort of money we might not. Then you are into the realms of praying for loyalty and there isn’t too much of that about in the footballing world anymore.

    #1357882
    Al The Gooner
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    Read an interesting comment from Wenger yesterday. He says that players are only present for the first contract talks. After that, every renewal/extension is purely between the player’s agent and the club, with the player only turning up to sign, once negotiations are done.

    You’d obviously hope that the player let’s his agent know how keen he is to stay or go but, other than that, sounds like all the power is with the agent and if they can double their cut by getting the player to move, the more unscrupulous ones will no doubt push their client in that direction.

    #1357891
    Al The Gooner
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    Chenondler Bong (shouldn’t that be ‘Miss’ Chenondler Bong??? 🙂 ) – you’re right mate, our bill is very close to Chelski’s. It varies from season to season, obviously, but two seasons ago, ours was bigger. I think it’s now swung back the other way but there wasn’t much difference last time I checked.

    #1357975

    Chanondler Bong
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    What would be extra frustrating is letting them go on the cheap. In the current market alexis would fetch ~ £60m ???? but the closer he gets to the end of his contract the cheaper hes going to be. If they arent going to sign a new contract then they need to be sold in the summer. We need to get as much as we can from both of the transfers so we can reinvest it in the squad.

    I do think they are both due to wage increase, sanchez is 15th best paid in the league. How can arsenal possibly justify that? hes in the top 3 players in the league and i do think that his wage should reflect that. Similar situation with ozil.

    I would also like to say however, that no player is bigger than the club. We’ve been here before and lost players we all thought were irreplaceable. Henry, Vieira, Fabregas, Van Persie….

    The Club Remains.

    Al- Friends is life

    COYG

    #1357993

    andy528
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    Best name on the forum has arrived!

    CB – very good point about players like Walcott. He is a prime example of players and agents holding all of the power these days. Every time his contract has been renewed, he has screwed the club to the floor. He get’s a whopping great rise each time and then goes on to produce a pretty average season all things considered.
    He is one player I wouldn’t have minded seeing the club make an example of and shipping him out the last time he held us to ransom. Makes me wonder how easy it is for a club to sell when the player has a contract? Either it isn’t easy at all or we are just dreadful at negotiating contracts.
    It’s a question worth asking given that we end up in this situation time after time. Should it ever have reached the stage where players like Alexis and Mesut only have 18 months left to run? We have seen it happen so many times now

    #1358899

    Steven Whitaker
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    Explain to me why its ok for the club to set limits on what is pays to players. But has no problem charging the highest ticket prices in Europe??

    Our fans are so passive and weak it defies belief. Arsene, Ivan and Stan get away with murder. They are robbing us blind selling us the idea we cant compete at the top end in terms of wages…………WTF not!!!!! Why do our part, pumping more money into the club than other other set of fans pump into their own club!!! So whats this rubbish about not having the money? Where does the money go????

    Why do we allow these fools to dictate to us what is the case? Why do the three blind mice go unchallenged? Last season – the 70th minute walk out. Instead we had a bunch of plebs chanting Wenger’s name, as he lead us to a undignified second to Leicester City (hang on, I thought Wenger said he couldnt win due to inferior resources??????).

    Some Arsenal fans are just lightweights, and have been let down and dissapointed so often, than you all resign yourself to losing Ozil and Sanchez.

    Cut the S yeah. Heres what needs to happen. Ozil and Sanchez sign on the dotted line. And if not – the fans riot and we stick our heads int he sand and scream Arsene out. If some pundits tries to tell us ‘Arsene is still the man for Arsenal’ – we dont even engage, we just keep rioting and telling them all to F off.

    Excuses are gone. How can the blind french fool talk about progress should he repeat a Nasri/Cesc situation – nothing learned.

    #1358917
    Al The Gooner
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    On a related note, just read that the club are set to offer Cazorla an extension, which is great news. We’ve had a policy of getting rid of anyone over 30 for too long – no other big club does that. If the player is still doing the business, then keep ’em.

    Caz’s injury problems are obviously an issue, but we’re a different side when he plays and I don’t think we have another player whose absence is felt as much as his. Comparatively, he’s a very cheap option – he certainly won’t be demanding £200k pw and re-signing him is a no-brainer.

    #1358947

    andy528
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    Steven – I don’t think any of us suggested the club sell one of the players or put a limit on wages. I was merely suggesting it as one possible outcome, which is entirely out of our control, and trying to engage in discussion about what peoples preference would be.

    Of course we want them both to stay and to label us as passive and weak is harsh. We all know how this club works. As you point out, we have seen it in the past with Cesc and Nasri, so its quite reasonable for fans to be discussing this sort of option because its one that is probably more likely. We aren’t saying we agree with it.

    Al – I read Tim Stillman’s piece on Santi last night and he suggested that Arsene knew fine well about this injury – he knew it was a case of when and not if. He also said that even though he knew it was coming, because he was integrating a new CB (Mustafi) and switching Alexis central long term, he didn’t want to create further disruption to the spine of the team. So, in order to avoid that, he stuck with Coq and Santi and hopes that the injections would suffice. He was suggesting that if nothing else, this bought him a little time to bed Xhaka in as well.

    #1358968
    Al The Gooner
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    Steven, you could always get a protest going yourself mate. With social media, it shouldn’t be too difficult to organise. At least try – otherwise you’re as bad as those of us you’re attacking.

    Don’t get me wrong, I agree 100% with your sentiments re: the club and what we get in return for the prices we pay, but it’s very easy to sit there behind a computer screen and slag off other fans. It’s a lot harder to actually take some action yourself.

    I’ve got a season ticket and have got more and more fed up with what I get for my money. As it goes, this season I couldn’t afford it anyway but I’d decided at the start of last season that it would be my final one for a while.

    However, I was on the waiting list for 13 years and only got my ticket when I did because of the move to the Emirates. The only people who would feel the affect of me giving up my ticket altogether is me and the mate I’m letting use it this season – the board wouldn’t give a shit and then regardless of who’s running the club in the future, I’d be unlikely to be able to get another ST in my lifetime.

    So for me, the only option was to either give it to a mate until I want it again, or sell all my games via the Ticket Exchange. Giving up the ticket altogether was never an option.

    There’s tens of thousands of people waiting for STs and even if all the genuine fans stopped going, the corporations would probably take the rest – they don’t care whether we win the league or what players we keep, they just want to give their clients a nice day out, watching good football in a top stadium.

    Again, I don’t disagree with your sentiments about what we get in return for our money but you’re not really in a position to slag off other fans unless you’re doing something about it yourself – are you???

    #1358974
    Al The Gooner
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    Andy, that’s interesting mate. Seems a bit of a cack-handed way to deal with things to me but, either way, I’m glad we’re keeping him.

    #1359214
    Al The Gooner
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    Wenger’s now saying that whatever happens with Oz and Sanchez and the negotiations, we’ll be keeping them for the next 18 months anyway.

    Does anyone believe that either he or the board would waive big transfer fees next summer and let the players run their contracts down if they fail to re-sign?

    As much as I’d love to believe it (I’m sure we all would), history tells us a very different story.

    #1359355
    steveosnakeeye
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    If one or both are sold at whatever time it MUST NOT BE to another PL team, end of. I would rather lose the player and a big chunk of money than see either or both line up in Chelsea/City shirts. Both have mentioned in recent days in the press sniffing around and why wouldn’t they as both are top players. Once in a while I would lobe to see stories linking us with bids for their top players this is why we never seem to be at the top table.

    #1359478
    AndyC
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    I would pay them what we need to, to get them to sign before the new year. If that means paying 250k a week to sanchez and ozil then so be it.
    We are a very very rich club who can afford to do it, if money is an issue then wenger and teh boatrd need to look at the squad and start chopping players who earn more than their worth and who could fetch a pretty penny or 2. Walcott, Rambo and Oxlaide all srping to mind straight away.
    We shouldnt have to be doing that anyway as the whole point of moving to the emirates was so we could compete.
    If we had to lose one to pay the other what he wants i would let Ozil go, i love him as a player but he would be oh so much easier to replace, there are some very talented CAM (number 10’s) in world football at present who probably wouldnt demand the same wage.

    #1359850
    Arsenal_FC
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    Well it’s hard to lose either, we must consider giving them a 4 years contract extension at most. Currently we can consider them earning big, but when they’re past 30? Sanchez is world class to me, others may argue otherwise but that’s what I think. Sanchez deserves at least £200 k per week, maybe £250 k at most but I don’t think Ozil is worth that much though. We can afford to lose Ozil, we can’t afford to lose Sanchez.

    #1359883

    fatmop
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    The trouble is from what I have heard 200k – 240k doesn’t seem to be enough. If they would both sign for 250 great but that’s the trouble they won’t, they want north of 300k. And when that’s what Rooney earn a I suppose you would. I just can’t see us doing that because it would set a precedent – everyone would want more. I wonder whether a large signing fee (with a clause) may be needed?

    #1360597

    stev2bath1
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    We should pay what we can afford but I don’t think it’s a money thing for either. I thought Sanchez was off as he just fancied playing in another league and I thought Ozil was staying. But there is so much rubbish reported who knows what’s actually going on ?

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