WAYNE ROONEY

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  • #1502947
    MacGuffin
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    @happyhurling – I’ve no problem with you enjoying playing with your toys. Just don’t expect me to get the same adolscent pleasure you do or to believe your make-believe is real. Its called maturity. I’m sure in time you will understand.

    All you need to do is to adjust your posts with qualifiers like “in my mind”, “I dream that”, “the game seen through my eyes was” etc. and I’ll be more than happy to suspend disbelief for a moment.

    PS – I’d love to know what you smoke, it’s damn stronger than my Old Holburn.

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    Rooney has been at the club for 13 of which 6 were average or below average (last 4 years, SAF last season and the season when he was sulking for a better contract in which berbatov was the highest scorer for us). That’s not a legend’s contribution. Good player earlier on in his career for us but I’m sorry to say but he became bigger than man utd for far too long. We acted like a small club and gave in to his demands.

    #1502961
    Wonderfuel Gas
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    Take no notice happy…the world is full of crashing bores and you certainly don’t seem to be one of them.

    Don’t mistake maturity for morosity.

    #1502978
    Wonderfuel Gas
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    My scorecard would give him more rounds than that fatrooney but I totally get your point. I’ll remember the Rooney up to around 2013/4 who, in my opinion, is right up there with the very best players I have watched in my time at United. An absolute force of nature he was and I loved the way he combined with Ronaldo and Tevez on the break for those two golden seasons, a better side in my opinion than the 99 side or the first double winners.

    Interesting the view put out there is that the club backed down to Rooney, certainly after his first flirtation with City. I’ve heard a well placed account of the meeting with the player, Paul Stretford, Sir Alex, the Glazers and David Gill who says Fergie put him so far in his place he walked out of the room utterly shell shocked and with tears in his eyes…and the contract he subsequently signed was not the big pay rise some claimed it to be.

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    Redblood – ha ha. Ah I’m not that young mate! I do remember Cantona, what a player. I also remember him inexplicably missing an open goal in Europe. He tried a little cheeky side foot, in his typical arrogant French way, into an empty net. But the defender, Kohler was it, stuck his foot up and blocked it. Awful miss. Think it was against Bayern…

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    jm1502
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    Dortmund.

    #1503018

    fatrooney
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    @wonderfuel I think both saf and rooney used each other to get better contract for themselves the first time around. Fergie wanted to be the highest paid at the club and he was more than happy for rooney to ask for a pay rise

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    @happy, Rooney more important than Cantona? What kind of a fucking gowlbag are you? Cantona was the cstalyst for Man Utd’s most successful era, if he hadn’t come there’s a fairly good chance that Fergie wouldn’t have lasted and the class of ’92 might not gotten to the first team at all, let alone go on to win the trophies they did. Cantona is singularly Fergie’s most important signing, followed closely by Roy Keane. Rooney has been very successful but hardly influential in the way some of his contemporaries were. You only have to look at the attitude of some players while Rooney was captain to see that.

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    A very nice debate going on at the moment and trust our happy to sort of be the ‘culprit’ in giving it the needed fuel.

    I tend to side from Tommy and Redblood with their versions. I also do recall that famous meeting when Rooney was made to eat dust at least to the public.

    Going deeper he later was perhaps the foremost ‘receiver’of all in terms of the financial bounty/s that him and his darker than Pogba’s agent succeeded in milking away from the club,further aided by a certain Moyes one might bed add.

    This was the time when unfortunately Wayne’s footballing talents started to wane down and one great poster over here stared a one man war of pure hate against the man whom he dubbed as the ‘donkey.. Lloyd.

    Post the above no one could deny that Wayne WAS one of the best footballers around and to this day no one can explain how and why this happened.No one except probably the man himself. This of course was what split the support for him at the club and tarnished his previous genuine popularity.

    As far as compare goes you cannot ever do it as the playing fields are never the same, so it is left simply to the individual insight and therefore never generalized.

    Georgie and Eric ? They both deserve more than a thread for their illustrious selves although I do not believe that happy wanted to belittle either one.

    Happy did you really watch Cantona /? Surely not George. [Just out of curiosity].

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    Emmicallef – elegant and fair post as always. You’re quite right, I would never play down the significance of our early heros. And yes, I was around to watch King Eric in his pomp at united in my early teens, never got the chance to see him live though.
    As Killyboye points out he was indeed a catalyst for our success. But, for me, Rooney just did more for United. He ran more, he tackled more, he scored more, he assisted more and he won more. A lot of people say he only broke records because he stayed for so long. But he only stayed for so long because of his hunger and his ability.
    Remember who he’s played up front with for United;
    Ruud, Saha, Solskjaer
    Ronaldo, Tevez, Berbatov
    Chicarito
    RVP
    Falcao
    Zlatan Rashford

    Fans are a fickle bunch but we’ll probably never see the likes of him at our club again. Will we see the record broken in our lifetime? I don’t think we will.
    How is that not just applauded and respected?

    #1503129
    killyboye
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    I absolutely respect what Rooney has done, he deserves our respect and gratitude, but Cantona raised the level at Utd. When Rooney was asked to do the same he failed, in fact his level dropped too.

    #1503131

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    happy – It is ok if what you stated amounts as your personal opinion/s.
    Otherwise,the histroy books would show the following ;

    Shearer, Thierry Henry, Ryan Giggs, Eric Cantona and Cristiano Ronaldo would be in the top tier of the best PREMIER players of all time. Then we have Roy Keane, Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard and David Beckham.

    Rooney would be on the FRINGES of the top 10. He did not dominate the league like the other players and I don’t think there was one particular season where Rooney won United the title.

    Rooney’s peak is hard to nail down. At international level it was 2004 and that was when United were not challenging for the title. His peak did not coincide with United’s.

    As for our George, well lets leave it to those who were privileged to have lived in his era.I bet you my last dollar that you would be still talking about his magic to this very day.cheers.

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    Zico
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    “There could only be one”…George Best. Magical to watch and every football lovers put a smile on their face when watching him play. A entertainer for the audience.
    Well worth the entrance fee to solely watch Georgie,and people did.
    Simply the best!

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    Happyhurling – I agree with you that Rooney is a legend of the club and a legend of English football but he doesn’t come close to Eric I’m afraid, in my opinion.

    When Eric arrived we hadn’t won the league in 26 years. He, along with Sir Alex, and to a lesser extent Keano, brought through the Class of ’92 and made them the players they became. He laid the foundations of what became the club’s most successful period in its history. He won the league every single season he was in England (apart from ’95 when he missed the pivotal part of the season). He almost single-handedly won the league and FA Cup double in ’96 and without him I doubt we would have won the Treble in ’99.

    Eric is head and shoulders above Rooney.

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    Cantona inspired a generation of Utd players to be the best that they could be. His attitude to training and diet revolutionised Utd, with players staying late to work on weaknesses and watching what they ate for the first time. On the pitch he was a fantastic player and a leader. He chose to retire at 30 rather than to continue to a time when he couldn’t do it anymore. On the downside, he had a terrible temper and could be a right bellend at times. I also felt that he never produced the goods in Europe, great in the PL a bit shit in the CL (although not helped I guess by the 3 foreigners rule at the time).

    Rooney was an absolute force of nature when he came to Utd. Helped Utd to win more or less everything in a relatively golden era from 05-10, leaves the club as record goalscorer and deserves a level of respect for those achievements. Until his mid 20’s he was superb. However, and this really bugs me about him, he’s never seemed to look after himself. The most gifted English player of his generation and he never seemed to be in great shape to me, more of a throw back to the late 80’s when smoking and drinking were still prevalent in elite football. A little more off field professionalism and I think he could have been so much more and remained a footballing force for longer.

    If I had to choose, it’d be Cantona every single time, utterly unpredictable and superbly entertaining!

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    Wonderfuel Gas
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    It’s an age thing though Manthistle….them 26 years won’t mean that much to happyhurling, because he would have only supported United through a handful of them. That’s not a dig by the way mate, just a fact of how old you are. Loads of the young lot know all about Eric but they won’t get him like we will. If you hadn’t seen United with Chris Turner in goal or been unfortunate enough to watch luminaries like Peter Davenport, Colin Gibson or his namesake Terry, Ralphie Milne, Viv Anderson, Peter Barnes, Graham Hogg or Danny Wallace then you can’t know. Likewise, if you’d not believed in Russell Beardsmore and Mark Robins or even Neil Webb or seen Bryan Robson walking off clutching his shoulder for the 19th time. I’ve broken a leg and ribs, fractured a skull, ruptured a spleen, perforated an ear drum and suffered from arthritis since my teens but there’s no pain I’ve been through like that afternoon at Anfield when we lost two nil and the title went to Leeds.

    It wasn’t just 26 years it was the accumulation of all that time and we still seemed as far away as we ever did until Eric came through them doors and changed our club forever. We hadn’t had a dream in a long time and the life we’d had could have made a good man bad. That’s why I’ll say he was better than Ronaldo and the young lot look at me like I’m daft as a brush and I know they’re right, Ronaldo is a worldie, but I’ll still argue Eric is the true king. And the older lot will talk about Bestie, Law and Charlton (who I just missed) and the really old lot will go misty eyed about the Busby Babes.

    We all have our legends, I’m just glad I have had the privilege to watch so many in my 49 years.

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    Bravo Thomas,now lets see our friend happy,or anyone else for that matter,challenge that post.

    #1503328

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    by the way,I count sixty years as privileged and lucky to have seen multiple legends.

    #1503333
    Wonderfuel Gas
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    Hookeddevil….you’ve hit the nail on the head there about Rooney, for me anyway. It is that for everything he’s achieved and won, for all the glory and the goals there is that lingering feeling he didn’t fulfill his true potential. Seems daft to say about our record goalscorer and someone who has won everything there is to win in domestic football but there you go. At 18/19 he was the equal of Ronaldo and Messi, perhaps better, but ten years later they played in a different solar system to him and have done for a long time. That desire to be the best on the pitch never did extend to his life off it and it caught up with him sooner than he ever imagined. Staying behind for an hour after training to practice free kicks means nothing if you’re going home to drink a bottle of red wine and a chippy tea.

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    Manthistle
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    Wonderfuel Gas – I myself am only (I say only) 34 so can remember very little of us in the 80s. My first visit to OT was in 1989 I think when we played Sheffield Utd, although it may have been a later date. We won 2-0 anyway. I was stood at the front of the scoreboard end in front of the railings. Sadly, I never got to see Best, Law or Charlton play live.

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