Zlatan is a red

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  • #1087716

    TheLegend
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    Spot on Martial. He chose football over money. Kudos to him on that one if true. I’m more excited about the fact that a Utd manager seems to know which positions are weak. God knows how long we have been crying out for someone to spot the simple things even we (the fans) can agree on.

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    MacGuffin
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    @theMartialArt – I don’t like any 1 year signing and especially not a player towards the end of his career. I like to form a love for players. I find it hard to do that when I know the player is not going to be around long.

    Given a choice between relying on Zlatan or Rashford. yes I’d go with Rashford. He hasn’t let us down so far and could very well step up to the plate. Conversely there is always a risk with any and every signing, especially veteran big name players.

    But lets get back to what I said. I said …..

    “How enthusiastic do you want me to be about a 34 year old striker coming on a free for one year solely because we offer a massive paycheck?”

    Yes it may be a good move as a stopgap but I’m not going to wet my bed like some of you seem to be doing. I want to see stars rising at Old Trafford not fading.

    @alex the red – Where is the pessimism. I never said he would fail. I did comment that we must accept it is always a possibility with any new signing. My post was about the bedwetting.

    #1087761

    TheLegend
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    Rashford or Zlatan is not a choice. They are both needed, we’re not getting rid of one to get the other. We have space for a striker in our squad, we’re filling that. No point signing a Griezmann or an Aubamanyang if you want Rashford to get a proper chance.

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    Zico
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    Most of you guys talks about Rashford or Zlatan. I think JM will play a 4-2-3-1 formation with Miki on the right Zlatan as number 10,Martial on the left and Rashford on top.

    Zlatan has a great eye for the killerpass as a number 10 should have.

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    theMartial Art
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    @Mac – No body is bed-wetting. We are happy we signed a world class player. A complete player. The guy is 34 yet he still has great athletic ability .Stop spreading your negativity, trying to think beyond your wits of any old reason why we shouldn’t sign him. He obviously will not play every minute of every game and Rashford will get games next season . But even his presence can drag Man Utd further this year!

    @thelegend – well said. Mac is belittling the move because he doesn’t like the way Zlatan announces the move.

    #1087779

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    @Mac – I get where your coming from and agree with you to a certain extent. To be honest though I am very happy that we are signing Zlatan because of the influence that he will have on the younger players, the pressure he will take off of the likes of Rashford and Martial, the fact that he is a ‘winner’ and should push the team forward and his contract will probably have an extension clause so if he performs well enough in his 1st season then surely he will get a 2nd. We are currently lacking leaders in the team as well and so I see Zlatan as a big chunk of what we have been missing lately.

    Also, in reference to you saying you like to form a love for players, what about Larsson? He was only around for 2-3 months and he was awesome. I loved him almost instantly. Maybe thats just me though!!

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    theMartial Art
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    Stuntman_Matt – You can also include Laurent Blanc. We signed him for 1 season and won PL

    #1087812

    united_we_win
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    Di Marzio is the man for transfers the British press are clueless. They still have us linked with gaitan and bale.

    Mkhtaryan has found a house in Manc. Di marzio

    On another note how dull does giggs sound on itv tonight?Anyone ever watched Mike basset England manager remember his assistant? That’s Giggs for you!

    #1087818

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    Good point theMartialArt. I had forgotten about Blanc. There has been a lot said for the influence he had on the younger players and on training in his brief spell with us too.
    I am not disagreeing with Mac’s points in general, I just think that he may be wrong in this circumstance.

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    alex_the_red
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    I dont think there could be a more perfect signing for us at the moment than Zlatan. He’s an absolute monster who can play up top alone, gaurantees 20 goals a season, isn’t going to be with us for more than a couple seasons to hinder Rashford or Martials chances up top, can actually score from a dead ball, and also is a huge personality to really draw most of the attention from rival teams. I’m ecstatic for this signing all around, he ticks all the boxes.

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    MacGuffin
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    @theMartialArt – I am not belittling the move. I have said it makes sense given budget limitations and the need to strengthen other areas. All I am saying (for the umpteenth time) is that I am not exhuberant like the rest of you. Perhaps its because I tend to look long term not short term. I’m always looking to see a great team taking shape that will be together for 5 year or more.

    @Stuntman_Mattt – Yep, I never warmed to Larsson or Blanc or Schweinsteiger for that matter. The players I like are ones who I can consider “ours”. That means players who became (or are becoming) great at our club.

    Your point about “pushing the team forward” is debateable. For me a man to push the team forward must be one of the core players, the backbone, And that means is part of future plans.

    btw – Those suggesting money was not a factor in his move should get real.

    #1087908

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    So far we have signed 1 for the future and 1 for now and that is great.

    Mac this signing has done what you have previously mentioned. It give those with potential the opportunity to learn from a winner and hopefully slot into their position when they move on. Isn’t this what you have wanted for a long time, a plan in place for now and the future?

    #1087911
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    im delighted, its a signing of intent on top of the most important factor being we need winners, leaders and people with a voice in that dressing room! he will be a good example to players like Memphis in particular, a guy with potential and a big price tag, how to manage that and allow his flair to come out! he was free, he will draw eyes to us and revenue around the world! 34 years old or not, im betting he gets more goals than rooney who isnt even close to his skill level or fitness level!

    #1087917

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    @Mac – My point about Zlatan pushing the team forward is based on his current overall ability to score goals, play others in and a demand of high standards from the team as well as how much he can offer the younger players, hopefully helping them to reach their potential, will benefit the team in the long run as well as the short term. This is one of those signing that ticks all the boxes for me and the only thing against him is his age, but there is not alot that we can do about that.

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    simonas2702
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    I just like class players regardless. Zlatan will give us an air of class again cos lets face it last couple of years we have become a bit of a laughing stock with people loving our demise. When the chips are down our current team look like they hide and he is someone who won’t and neither will Jose for that matter.
    So for me Zlatan great signing even for a short space of time if he helps reverse the slide we are currently on.
    As for home grown players, yes it is great if they are decent but the likes of Lingaard who are home grown I can;t take to because he is not of the required standard for a top team so for me class over home grown sentiment

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    @macguffin: I see what you’re saying. I think: that you prefer long term investment over short term investment. I’m with you on that one. To an extent. For me, it’s a matter of context, though. Whatever strategy you prefer always has to be held to one’s patience in terms of accepting seasons without trophies. This particular discussion seems to be about Zlatan vs. youth with the latter being represented by Rashford (I can’t quite follow that premise, though, as we seem to be a forward short from the off and Zlatan in that sense isn’t actually pushing anyone aside). But, for argument’s sake, let’s say it’s a matter of Zlatan vs. youth. A few points of consideration:

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    We’ve now had 3 seasons in a row where we haven’t really been close to challenging for the title. How long are we able, as fans, to endure that? Zlatan, as I see it, is an attempt to immediately put an end to that trophyless spell. Rashford (or youth) might be able to do that for us, but even the most pro youth, pro long term investment, would have a hard time arguing that youth would have a bigger chance than Zlatan of accomplishing that. Now, again, it’s a matter of context so any given fan might still be willing to “accept” that, say, the following 4 seasons were without a PL crown. Not that Zlatan is a guarantee of a PL crown, no one is, but playing the odds and all that. Point is: With Zlatan, you get a proven goal scorer and a proven winner. So if your patience is running a bit thin Zlatan does offer something to alleviate that.

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    Consider the effect Mourinho’s had already: Zlatan wouldn’t have signed for us in a million years had we had another manager. Mourinho brings a sense of star quality that attracts big name players. Zlatan, in my opinion, could have a similar effect. Names like his changes the way our club is viewed and, likely, will make it easier to strengthen our team further. I don’t think youth could offer that in the same way.

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    Zlatan IS a stopgap solution, but perhaps – decidedly because of our “youth” – that’s excactly what we need. We have two amazing attacking talents in Martial and Rashford; could it not be extremely beneficial for those two to get a superstar forward like Zlatan in to 1) shoulder the responsibility, 2) be someone they can look up to and learn from and, most importantly, 3) get out of the way when they’re completely ready to lead the front line? In regards to the latter point: If we did get a longer term investment in, like say, Griezmann, it might hold the risk of blocking Rashford and Martial’s long term development. That risk isn’t there with Zlatan.

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    Zlatan brings something no other player in the world could bring in the same way he does: Arrogance and self-confidence. Not normally traits that inspire a lot of sympathy, but perhaps we could use a healthy dose of both at the moment. Something to help instill and reinforce the belief that we have the potential to be the best club in World and that soon we’ll have the results to show it too! 🙂

    My 2 cents, anyway.

    #1088556

    jm1502
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    Zlatan’s a shrewd signing. If he does well we take him for another year. If he doesn’t, we’ve had time to decide which young world class striker to go for.

    #1088577
    hatters
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    @nil. Your post is spot on. Good luck convincing the Mac of anything positive. He is bearish by nature.

    @jm1502. You are spot on. Ibra is a great stop gap for us to see if Rashford will need support/replacement. The floor is open for Rashford to prove his worth now without the pressure of being the main goal getter.

    #1088670

    happyhurling
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    Agree with a lot of the great posts on this thread. Zlatan is a great signing, exactly what we need right now. Echoing what most have said above he is a fantastic fit for our current situation.

    Firstly, he is a world class striker. His goal stats over the last 10 years are ridiculous, only the 2 freaks have scored more. He’s a massive goal threat on the ground, in the air, scores all sorts of goals, flicks, volleys, everything! Although its funny how everyone who said he’s world class at PSG are now saying he’s too old and over rated – strange eh?!

    Secondly, he is at the perfect stage in his career to come to United, have a big impact but not ruin the development of Rashford and Martial. That point really can’t be overstated. Get Griezmann in and its the end of Rashford. This is where Zlatan starts to tick all the boxes.

    Thirdly, he’s worked under Mourinho and they have a special bond which will help carry the new managers instructions onto the pitch. He won’t expect to be involved for every minute which will make him a great squad player. I expect his impact to be similar to Larsson’s only much better in terms of goals and for a longer spell which means he’ll have a bigger effect on the team and young players.
    I see this as simply a win win signing, there are no down sides. How you can’t be excited is beyond me. If you don’t want to be then fair enough, but at least let other people be happy with our first real Marquee signing for a couple of years.

    #1088739
    MacGuffin
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    @nil – For the umpteenth time I never said I was against the signing. I said “don’t expect me to be entusiastic”. Zlatan is not a piece of the jigsaw, he’s just a stopgap till we get the piece. How excited should I be over a stopgap.

    1. The MartialArt turned it into a Zlatan v Rashford. I believe we should have 4 competent strikers like the days of Cloe Yorke Sherringham Ole. One should be in his prime, one a riising star and one can be a fading star. We have Rooney as fading star and Rashford as rising. We could and should sign a long term striker, Signing Zlatan is like signing Schweinsteiger when we have Carrick.

    2. You ask how fans can endure 3 years without a title,. I endured 26 years so believe me it is possible to endure more. LvG tried to buy instant success with the chequebook and it doesn’t work. You have to build a team, the spine of a team. That’s what I am hoping for. Zlatan is not part of that spine.

    3. Players are interested in the “project”. That means assembling a great side that can win title after title. That means players who will be around more than a season. Don’t you like to get more than a year out of your shirt. The club however want’s you to buy a new shirt every year don;t they.

    Fans seem to take the best scenario and assume it to be a certainty. The great player will inspire youth like a Cantona but he could be a ADM. The player will perform the same as he did at his previous club not a Veron.Rashford is surely going to make the grade not like Wilson or Welbeck.

    I always give new players and managers a free pass the first year to adapt and settle in. Age is against Zlatan so we are expecting him to perform from day 1. Were I manager I would for a long term striker, and if I could not find one then take Zlatan

    Zlatan is a great signing, exactly what we need right now. Echoing what most have said above he is a fantastic fit for our current situation.

    This is what I mean by bedwetting. I don’t see stopgaps as ever being a “fantastic fit”. They may be shrewd signings if they work out.

    You may call me pessimist but I consider myself just cautious.when it comes to both optimism and pessimism. I don’t hail anybody until they have proven themselves at OT whereas most fans give the tributes before they even set foot be it LvG, Falcao, ADM, Schweinsteiger. Depay or whoever. Let’s see how it turns out.

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