Solskjaer should be in for England U21 star; Man Utd can’t win with Fernandes
Manchester United fans give their thoughts on the pursuit of Bruno Fernandes and the attack on Ed Woodward’s house, while one fan says a Norwich star should be on their radar, all in our forum.
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Henderson debate rages on
Robbo has just been reported as saying: “Hendo, for me, this season has been different class. He’s been one of, if not our best player this season,”
“Sometimes over the years Hendo’s not got the credit that he deserves. But when you play with him, you train with him and see the way he acts off the field, it’s an absolute pleasure [for him] to be my captain and everyone’s captain.
Davinci>> That’s another one to put on your list to contact and tell them that your opinion is more valid than theirs.
Red Herring
Red Herring //Robbo has just been reported as saying: “Hendo, for me, this season has been different class. He’s been one of, if not our best player this season,” //
The operative word/s ‘THIS SEASON’…..and to be more specific, since Fabinho was injured.
I’ve had no problem recognising Hendo’s improved performances over the last 2 months. And as I keep saying, long may it continue.
But the last 2 months, or even if he continues the entire season, doesn’t change the mainly average performances over the last 5 or 6 seasons. If he was playing each season like he has the last 2 months, he wouldn’t have had so many critics.
Am I going to go overboard about him and his recent form? No. Why? Because as someone who has watched football for many years I know that sometimes great players go through dips in form. It might be for a few weeks/months or even a whole season. But usually they get back to their default levels. Similarly, average players can have great surges in form for weeks, months or even a whole season.
Only time dictates whether the great player is in terminal decline or if the average player has actually improved their quality/default level.
Whichever it turns out to be with Henderson, lifting the title is something I definitely want to see him do…Peace
Davinci
Davinci, so basically you think Henderson just turned up this season, despite concrete evidence that he has been performing at a high level since he settled down at Liverpool in 2014. Why do you think he and Milner are the players with the most apps in the league in the previous decade?
Good thing we have a manager whose opinion on Henderson is totally different to your own highly incorrect view. Funny how other top managers like Rodgers, Southgate, Jesus (Flamengo) etc. all share Klopp’s view, and would love to have Henderson in their team. Even someone who knows nothing about football can see you have completely lost this debate.
Keep it up though, your explanations and excuses are becoming even more desperate, and even amusing
Songman
Klopp under fire
This is a very rare opportunity to win the ECL, EPL, and the FA cup. Only Man U have ever achieved this in 99′ and we came very close in 77′, losing to the Mancs in the FA cup final.
Klopp is behaving like a spoilt child by not being involved in the replay, and this is unfair on fans and players. All the players would love to be involved and make history, become legends. The EPL is virtually in the bag and we have more than enough quality to deal with this game. Not being involved also reflects badly on the club’s image and reputation
timetogobr
Woodward treatment condemned
Trashing his house and/or sending death threats is vile and vicious – no matter how badly he runs the football club. I think most of us want him out or at least taken off footballing matters but if true, the people involved should be ashamed of themselves.
roygbiv
Mob rule…
What did people expect would happen?
I’m not saying what the gang did was right, it wasn’t and I want to believe the mob knew that no-one would be home when they marched upon his house and no-one should ever threaten anyone with death, but with the escalating tensions, this type of action was inevitable. Countries go to war for stupid reasons and people are stabbed for looking at someone the wrong way while others are shot by those who have felt ignored for too long. And the way that the club is being run has left a lot of people feeling, I imagine, powerless to do anything about it.
The Gold and Green campaign didn’t change things and were silenced at matches – a fact that didn’t actually get that much media attention. Fans complaining on blogs or through social media hasn’t done anything to change the direction of the club. Club legends tiptoeing around the issue on the very platforms that makes the club such a lucrative asset (e.g Gary Neville on Skysports) hasn’t made any difference. Fans booing at the games are basically unheard. The mass walkout will be an amazing thing to see if it happens – if it happens; I can’t imagine a family who have paid a high price to come over from another country to see Manchester United play will walk out mid match.
It would make more of a headline though if Gary Neville got up from his commentary box and walked out with the fans. However, the only real way this mass walk out would hurt those in charge is if the sponsors decided to walk out of their partnerships after.
We only have to look over at Newcastle United’s last decade to see what can happen to a club that is run under leadership where the fans’ feelings are not taken into account. Only difference is that we have higher to fall than Newcastle, but we are falling.
So yes, what the mob did was wrong and criminal, but it was inevitable as the options left facing fans of being heard are getting less. If the Glazers and Woodward continue to run the club into the ground and not listening to the supporters that change is required, then this overstepping over the line of demonstration of discontent will only happen again.
Mankind’s history is riddled with uprisings from those pushed to their limits and human nature will always be human nature.
HailMartial
If/when we sign Fernandes it’s important to keep the pressure on Ed. Need to make a point that one single belated signing is no more than using a band aid to treat a severed leg.
This window’s transfers should have been lined up a few months ago. Next summer’s transfers should be completed this window with the player loaned back to the club for 6 months
homerjay540
Can see how walk outs have an impact but this won’t. Its going to be counterproductive and make Ed a victim and get him sympathy from the world’s media. I get how people are frustrated but not sure that stunt last night is the answer. Especially if his wife and kids had of been at home.
N1xer
Apparently it was a PR stunt?! Seems the pictures are of a “very professional” nature…!
Weird.
happyhurling
Where’d you see that happy?
If that’s the case it’s a disgrace. The clubs owners should be forced to sell as they would no longer meet the criteria of fit and proper owners.
If it wasn’t a PR stunt then it’s equally disgraceful. That’s a man’s home, his wife and kids could have been there. Business is business and home is home. If you’ve an issue, do it a OT or Carrington not at a man’s home no matter how big of a pillock he is. Stage a protest or a walkout and have the balls to do it without a balaclava. Cowards.
killyboye
Maddison and Cantwell wanted
I think Maddison is a great player, if Pogba is out the door for £150m and Maddison is in for £100m then I have no problems with that.
We can’t expect teams to pay a large fee for Pogba and then expect to pay small fees for other teams star players.
We should be in for Cantwell at Norwich, as soon as their relegation is confirmed, he’s at the stage Maddison was when he left them. Fernandes and Maddison as 8/10’s with Cantwell and Fred as the back up.
hookeddevil
United can’t win with Fernandes
It’s interesting seeing the responses to the question. In certain scenarios i’m not sure the club can win really. If we sign a payer like Fernandes it should be a positive thing. But if we sign him at the end of the window then it’s all about the shambles of a club waiting too long. If we signed him at the beginning of the window it would be all about the shambles of a club for not signing him in the summer. If we signed him in the summer i’m sure people would have been moaning at how much we payed.
(By the way i believe a lot of the “shambles” in our negotiating tactics is created by the media not having a clue about what we’re doing).
Hatters – As if i’d be saying “we’re back” after one fucking signing, come on mate i’m not stupid! But let’s not pretend this won’t be a good signing for us and cheaper than what Newcastle wanted Longstaff for! We need a lot m
happyhurling
@Haapy-The fans anger is totally warranted and genuine mate. You cant be calling people c**ts over that. The facts about the whole Fernandes deal are that we briefed the top Utd journos like Simon Stone, Simon Peach and James Cooper that we were never in for the player, and his agent and club generated all the headlines through the Portuguese press. They even used the excuse that he gives the ball away too much.
Clearly he was on the clubs transfer list but mustn’t have been the number one target. Probably whoever that was it became clear we weren’t getting him so went back in for Fernandes. Then haggling for 3 weeks over £5M just to end top paying the fee Sporting wanted seems really poor.
Look at the Felaini deal when we ended up paying more on the last day of the window than his release clause. Or the Herrera deal. Then throw in Schweinsteiger, Falcao, Sanchez and Di Maria, and you can see why the fans are p*ssed off. No matter how much you support the club you cant defend how we operate in the market.
N1xer
Look at how Levy runs Spurs…
@happyhurling. By way of comparison, look at how Daniel Levy runs his ship. It was obvious that Eriksen was on the way out so they signed Lo Celso in the summer on a loan with an option to buy – as soon as Eriksen’s move to Inter was confirmed, they exercised the option to buy and voila – they have a ready made replacement who’s already been in the team for 4 months and has already begun to show form.
Now juxtapose that with us allowing Herrera and Fellaini to leave without replacements and therefore losing the midfield battle for half a season before panicking in January to get one body in (we still need another two midfielders btw).
Another example – the time it took for the press to report Spurs being interested in Bergwijn to the finalization of the transfer was about 3 days. That’s how these transfers should be done, swiftly and decisively. As fans we shouldn’t be anxious and we shouldn’t be disgruntled. The signing of Fernandes is a good thing (if it gets completed) but there is no running away from the fact that the club is broken and is led by a bunch of negligent, incompetent fools.
hatters
N1xer – It just depends on how you want to look at it i think mate. Leicester wanted 100m for Maguire, Palace wanted 80m for AWB and Sporting wanted 80m euros for Fernandes. Through a host of different tactics we managed to knock around 70m pounds off those 3 transfers.
I’m not saying we’ve been great in the transfer market and the Fellaini transfer was an absolute joke, as were many others. But i don’t have a problem with us haggling with clubs to get the best price when the deal finally gets over the line. Fernades and 3 more top players in the summer whilst shipping out the likes of Rojo is heading in the right direction for me.
Hatters – Hmmm, i’m not sure about how Daniel Levy runs that club. Was it part of his masterplan to let one of the world’s most creative No. 10’s let his contract run down and leave for 16m pounds when he’s a 100m player? Was part of how he “runs the club” to spend exactly zero pounds on players and allow one of the brightest up and coming managers in the game to leave?
He’ll be solely responsible for ending Harry Kane’s career prematurely as well, with his refusal to have a back-up striker. Was Jose part of his plan? Spurs would have won the league under Poch i think if Levy had have backed him properly. And i think a link to a player is announced 3 days before they’re signed because nobody really gives a f**k about Spurs!
happyhurling
If they were that desperate to sell, they’d have a taken a lower price. They really needed to get his wages off the books as well as needing the transfer fee for FFP. We got well and truly mugged on this one, not that he’s a player we don’t need, he is but I think if we’d held our nerve we could have gotten him for less.
I don’t think the Barca rumours were true, just an attempt to scare us into buying him for the price Sporting wanted and we fell for it. We need to get back to the old days where Fergie and co decided a price we were willing to pay for a player and that was it. If it wasn’t accepted then that’s that, move on.
killyboye