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  • in reply to: Time for a change? #2176232

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    Not picking up on you personally but for debate’s sake, I haven’t seen any large section of fans bashing our players. Either on social media or in the stadium, players haven’t been booed off the pitch, so I can’t see how ‘The endless criticism of them, individually and collectively is merely making them perform worse, make worse decisions on the pitch’.

    As for the discouragement bit many of those players lost the PL by one point and lost the final of the CL but came back to win it so they are not weaklings. VVD almost died and had made his will at 20, but 7 years later he was seated next to Messi, no indication whatsoever that losses can have a negative impact on him, and he was our rock at the back. Many players said they felt almost invincible when he lead them on the pith with Hendo, and opposition were in fear even before the match started. Where has all this disappeared?

    in reply to: Wolves Away Sat Feb 4th KO 3pm #2175597

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    Klopp’s strongest trait and I’m speaking with the benefit of hindsight is to look around and bring players who have the right ability, and who are prepared to give 100% for him. That’s why he didn’t try to bring Auba despite some calls from fans, and made a surprising choice in going after Gini, an unfancied player and Robbo. Not even the most optimistic fan would have predicted the effect these two would have on the team between 2018-2021.
    He made a perfect concoction of players coming from relegated teams, to title winners like Fabinho, and players who needed a little push to become superstars, like Mo and Mane.
    Then he installed gestalt successfully, and won trophies.
    Mo was touted as the best player of Liverpool, the one who was irreplaceable, as he caught the limelight with his goals, however I’ve been saying for quite a while now that he had such a good record because players around him put on incredible shifts for three consecutive seasons. He was the main man, so much so that whenever TAA or Keita had the ball they just looked up and tried to tee him. No doubt he would then shine as he is or was an excellent player himself.
    Coupled with the fact that we had a solid defence marshalled by VVD and Matip, and Fabinho as the Dyson, and his team mates pressed like wild dogs, weakening the resolve of defenders after 70 minutes, he had the perfect platform to hog the headlines and he used that cunningly to get a massive pay rise.
    Henry and Klopp were hoodwinked by Mo’s agent that Liverpool’s success was down to one man, and he deserved an astronomical wage compared to ‘ordinary’ players like VVD, Matip and Fabinho. The fact that he is a shadow of his former self just proves that the above mentioned players were in fact as important as him in the recent years, because they have almost been compelled to lower their standards because their bank balance isn’t commensurate with the benefits they brought to the club. Now Mo can’t even dribble and run towards the corner flag and that’s precisely the message his team mates have been trying to get across.
    In one sentence ‘If Mo is so good, and he is carrying the team, we’ll let him run the show but sorry we’re not busting our guts every week and in training because even if we help the team to put on a 12 consecutive winning streak it’s Mo who will get the sole credit, his bank balance will swell and we’ll only get 12 bear hugs from Klopp as reward’.

    in reply to: Wolves Away Sat Feb 4th KO 3pm #2175435

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    Think Matip is being scape-goated like Milner was at the beginning of the season. Defenders do make mistakes, however mistakes like that are compounded when our attackers are woefully out of form.

    Mo is cruising now and he will until 2025, I don’t blame him he got what he wanted, but if a few fans on youtube, could foresee that happening after he got his new contract, why on earth Henry and Klopp couldn’t have an inkling that he might emulate Ozil, Aubameyang and put a veto on his demands?

    in reply to: Wolves Away Sat Feb 4th KO 3pm #2175294

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    Waiting for Mo to show he’s the best player in the world. Maybe that’s too unrealistic but at least I hope he can show us he’s right there among the 20 best players in the league?

    in reply to: Klopp's Last Season at Dortmund 2013/14 #2174792

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    Moonster: I would slightly disagree with the ceo though, maybe it’s actually simpler from the outside as I’m not as financially attached as him but the Dortmund players won two Bundesliga, and if I’m correct and something happened that made them lose focus, then they were not dumb or inconsiderate to just down tools for no valid reason.

    As for our current plight though I think the players have not downed tools like Spurs players have done numerous times, Juande Ramos comes to mind, but they are unable to be on the grind every day and every hour as they were in the last few seasons, because the reward system is skewed in favour of Mo, and is not commensurate with the inhuman efforts they put in to go toe to toe with City and go to numerous CL finals.

    in reply to: Klopp's Last Season at Dortmund 2013/14 #2173897

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    There must have been something behind the scenes at Dortmund that caused their form to go down the cliff. Klopp had everything planned, bed the youngsters like Eliiott, get a few talented youth like Diaz, Carvalho. Players legs do get heavier but the way Henderson, Fabinho, VVD and Matip have gone from world beaters to average players in a matter of weeks would suggest it’s not a problem of fitness or age.

    Fergie was so successful because he never let any player overshadow him, booted Beckham when he was hogging the limelights. Moyes came in and rewarded his pal Rooney with a humongous pay rise and managed to create division in the squad. Same thing is happening right in front of our eyes.

    in reply to: Chelsea Home Sat Jan 21st KO 12.30pm #2171516

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    The problem when we start finding fault with either the midfield, defence or attack in isolation, then there’s a strong indication that we have lost the ‘more than the sum of the parts’ factor, and we had it for ages, six years at least and I even thought that it was embedded in our DNA.

    Though I’m all for posters trying to find the root causes, and it makes for good debate, I think our problem stems from the fact that the players have stopped working for each other. The last seasons when we finished over 90 points, as soon as we lost the ball players were like savage dogs pursuing a prey but now the team is fragmented and players put on a token attempt at pressing. Thus depending on one’s inclination and confirmation bias the midfield, or defence or attack is at fault.

    It is very telling that there was a moment at the end of the match when the camera panned on Fab. In the time he’s been here, he and all his team mates almost felt it like a tragedy when we drew a match, because of the tight neck to neck race between City and us, and they all had a scowl after a draw. Contrast that with the big smile on Fab’s face when he hugged Thiago. Players have decided it’s not worthy of their effort to put so much dedication and hard work as in recent seasons, as their endeavours have been largely ignored and Liverpool’s success has been deemed to be due the work of one single player, Mo.

    in reply to: Chelsea Home Sat Jan 21st KO 12.30pm #2170941

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    Seeing how Trent and Thiago seem to have forgotten how to pass the ball and how Fabinho has turned from one of the best DM in the world into a very average one, and Mo has stopped running down the wings, almost overnight in all the three instances, I’m not too optimistic about our chances of top four.

    With VVD out we will be a bit more more solid defensively, but I struggle to see how we can have a meaningful season. If everything was in order and all the players were pulling in the same direction like the previous seasons I could have come up with potential reasons for our struggles, for e.g would Mane have made a difference in the league table if he had stayed? but the problem is systemic and there is no simple way to tackle this sorry state, and the return of absentees will not turn us into world beaters again.

    Maybe the aim should be a very modest one like getting over 65 points?

    in reply to: Chelsea Home Sat Jan 21st KO 12.30pm #2170830

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    What happened to Mo? I had fears he would end up like Auba on a fat pay-cheque, but he’s turning out to be actually worse.

    in reply to: Brighton Away Sat Jan 14th KO 3pm #2168570

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    I don’t think there is a problem with the transfer dealings of FSG, the backbone of the team is composed of experienced players who have won big prizes. Maybe at a stretch I could understand that even at our best with the squad playing with the same zeal as past seasons we would have found it difficult to reach 95 points but there is no way it’s a lack of midfielders who made us draw with Fulham at home followed by other results against teams that we should have comprehensively beaten injury crisis or not.
    Even when VVD and Matip were out we managed to put on a good run to finish in the CL spots with Nat and Rhys at the back. We had a proper team spirit then.
    I’m not going to bash our senior players rather I am now grateful that they worked so hard on multiple fronts, but have been let down by an unfair reward system. If 11 dogs are lined up and asked to do tricks and they all do brilliantly but only one gets a treat then it’s understandable that after a few rounds the rest are uninterested and stop doing what is required.
    I’m happy for Mo, it’s likely that he will send his nephews and nieces to the best universities and they will graduate as doctors, lawyers, engineers in 15 years and buy luxurious mansions with pools and tennis courts, 5 years more down the line, but this will have come with an attached cost for our club.
    The most regretful thing is City are suffering also, the Haaland signing proving to be a demotivator as I predicted a few months ago. I said that KDB, Foden and Mahrez would likely be unenthusiastic to work like cart horses and tee the ball to him so that he gets a tap in and hog the limelight. It would have been a question of time before City was called a one man team, and the above mentioned players have pulled the plug by not passing to him, but we are in disarray also and cannot capitalise on that.

    in reply to: Brighton Away Sat Jan 14th KO 3pm #2168389

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    Sad to see players who gave everything to get the team over 90 points and go deep in the CL for many years, drop their level so much as to get resigned to a defeat after 60 minutes. Klopp is just in a trial and error mode, can’t believe it’s a cohesive and well thought plan to make 4 subs.

    I can understand players like Fabinho and Matip. After putting on inhuman shifts to get us to win the CL and compete with City, they have been deemed unimportant and are stuck on a derisory wage compared to Mo. Players like Konate and Elliott are also taking the cue, they know that even if they help the team to put on a 12-13 win sequence they will be considered as second rate players compared to Mo.

    in reply to: Brighton Away Sat Jan 14th KO 3pm #2168343

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    Need Mo to bail us out. He’s paid a princely wage just for that isn’t it?

    in reply to: Project Premier League 2023 #2166562

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    Sadly the reign of Klopp is going to end on a sour note. I mentioned Auba as an example not to follow when Mo got his bumper wage increase, and even a few months before that, but I was told Mo is 3 times the player Auba was, but can’t really see that on the pitch.

    Utd went into free fall when Rooney got a massive increase, Arsenal did the mistake twice as Ozil had been rewarded a few years before and Wenger who used to guide the team into the CL spots, was sacked. It took two years, after the player who was being paid a princely wage compared to his team mates to leave, before Arsenal got back on track.

    The above examples show that keeping the star player happy but leaving all his team mates with a sour taste in their mouth is a recipe for disaster.

    I don’t buy the burn out theory but if this is true why did we give Mo such a humongous contract with the risk that he would suffer from exhaustion and would make one successful dribble once in a blue moon?

    Most fans were so optimistic when he signed believing that the best player in the world would lead us to more success but we are back to where we were when Rodgers was on the sidelines.

    in reply to: Brentford Away Mon Jan 2nd KO 5.30pm #2164761

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    Rob : It was my fear that Mo’s humongous increase in salary would in all probability create a rift, and this was months before he actually signed.

    Only Fulcrum if I remember correctly had some misgivings in that regard.

    If Klopp had a say in the new contract being awarded and he gave his assent then he’s also responsible for the mess we are in.

    VDD has been showing many signs that he isn’t motivated to keep clean sheets as in the previous season and Klopp seems to have realised that very late, hence talk about players not following instructions recently. The question is whether VVD needs someone to give him instructions on how to defend? He has likely long ago surpassed all the coaches in his knowledge of the ins and outs of the PL.

    in reply to: Brentford Away Mon Jan 2nd KO 5.30pm #2163992

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    There has been some bashing of our midfield going on, on all social media sites especially Henderson is being called out, but isn’t it because we tend to magnify what happened after a goal and then start looking for culprits, forgetting the good things he has done?

    City conceded a goal yesterday, can we conclude as well that their midfield is rubbish and Rodri is past it, or will we be more lenient in that case?

    France conceded two goals against Argentina with Tchouameni pulling the strings, and he is touted as one of the best modern midfielders, but the stringent yardstick by which Hendo is judged wasn’t widely used, I wonder why?

    in reply to: Southampton Home Sat Nov 12th KO 3pm #2152498

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    Put my head on the block a month ago by saying that Nunez is as good as Sadio on the wings and better as a striker, glad that I’ve virtually saved my head.

    in reply to: Lfc up for sale #2151781

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    While Henry had the business side foremost on his mind when he took over, it isn’t far fetched to think that he and particularly his missus have developed an affinity for the club and will try to choose the owner who appears to be the best candidate to help the club prosper and not concentrate solely on a bidding war.

    Think the image of a cold businessman who came just for the financial rewards may be a bit exaggerated. He seemed pleased, proud and behaved perfectly after the CL win. I would think that the novelty of getting in the limelight on CL final nights wearing off, coupled with what happened with the pandemic, playing behind closed doors, CL places now a fight between six clubs, made it an ideal time to sell.

    At least we are not as desperate as we were in 2009.

    in reply to: Project Premier League 2023 #2150912

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    After the fiasco we are witnessing in the PL, unfortunately of their own making, when they threw the equitable salary structure, FSG are worried they are going to lose everything they built, and Liverpool will lose its value if they finish 8th, so they are cashing in. Smart move on their part.

    As for Liverpool fans we must prepare for the worst and hope for the best.

    in reply to: Leeds Home Sat Oct 29th KO 7.45pm #2148234

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    It’s not surprising that we are in a bad shape, what is surprising is that fans thought we could just reward Mo and leave all the senior players on their current wage and get on with it and expect the team to get over 90 points again.
    VVD is physically present on the pitch but his indomitable spirit which made Klopp’s team turn from a good one to one that could challenge City is lost, permanently maybe. We are in the same boat as we were when he was out.
    Now as a Liverpool fan I would egoistically want him to get a severe dressing down for his attitude but if I try to put myself in his shoes, I can see why he is demotivated as he feels under appreciated by the hierarchy and the fans and rightly so.
    He’s not only leaving the other defenders to fare for themselves as his organisational ability and skills are taken for granted, but he’s found a way to create havoc at the other end by staying upfront, and getting in the way of Mo and the other forwards and spurning easy chances that fall to him. The two headers he had vs Forest illustrate that. A player of his caliber could have placed the ball on Firmino’s head if he wanted to, as some commentators claimed that was his intention, but his headers looked more like defensive clearances.
    I can see him putting a transfer request as no one seems to care about the signals he is sending, contrary to Mo, who got everyone’s ears pricking at FSG headquarters when he said the all too familiar line ‘I’m happy at Liverpool but in the future you never know’.
    He must be watching Thiago Silva at Chelsea at age 38, and think he can get wages more commensurate with his ability elsewhere. The sad thing he never agitated for a raise, but now he deservedly feels he’s paid a pittance compared to Mo.

    in reply to: Leeds Home Sat Oct 29th KO 7.45pm #2148150

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    Predictable, VVD seems to be playing like a rookie.

    I was predicting a few rumblings in the dressing room after Mo’s mammoth increase in wages, but this much worse than I anticipated.

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