A.F.C. Bournemouth vs Chelsea – on Saturday 3 pm kick off

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  • #1831321

    nine nine nine
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    I think all our Centre Backs have got their weaknesses Tomori is too small and weak in the air, Christensen lacks physicality and is also weak in the air , Zouma is half decent in the air but poor on the ground Rudiger is the best we’ve got but he’s been poor at times this season and hasn’t been as dominant as he should be in the air.

    Only Villa have conceded more goals than Chelsea from crosses. That’s terrible .
    I honestly can’t see Frank playing Tomori v Liverpool on the back of his performance on Saturday and I think Frank will go with Rudiger and Christensen if we go with a back 4 and the same two plus Azpi if we go with three at the back but we’ll see.

    Signing a dominant centre back is a must for the Summer though imo.

    #1831329

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    Have quietly thought the same myself about going with two strikers, not just for the first ball and second ball as YB points out, but also so when a cross comes in we can have a player run to the near post, the second striker making a run into the middle of the goal and the third striker being provided at the back post from the wing back, like Alonso does. We see so many of our crosses either get cut out at them near post, fizz across the goal or end up at the back post and no one is there.i think the two strikers is a good call.

    #1831330

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    Touching on Aindro point. To do ell in the premier league, you need players in certain positions that are suited to it. Physical strength at the back is paramount o play against the teams that try to bully you from set pieces, and speed is required against the teams with the nippy forwards. You might not have a playe with both attributes, but you need both types of players in your squad so that you can set up well against your opponent. As was pointed out, a tall defensive midfielder doesn’t go amiss either. Yes, we did have Matic, but remember, we also had amikel who was a vital player in our years of success. When we had Makalele, you would often see Jose bring on Robert Huth late in the game to prepare for the aerial barrage that you knew was going to come from certain teams in the last ten minutes

    #1831331

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    Thinking about it, I don’t think a lot of clever thought has gone into our player recruitment over the last few years. Player recruitment is key to success, making sure you analyse the premier league opponents, and knowing what type of players you need to be successful in 5e league. During the successful years when we dominated games, we had such a good all round squad with a strong clever forward thatbknew how to score, speedy wingers that also knew how to score, a strong powerful midfield that never used to get bullied, classy half backs and strong goal scoring centre backs. Add to that a a tall strong goalkeeper that commanded his defence and was capable of shot stopping. Taking nothing away from our tactical displays, it is no wonder we were so successful. We know that model worked. Look at our squad now and work out how many of our squad carry the same attributes of the squad we had and then you begin to see where the problem lies.

    #1831333
    aindro
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    Chris451: we need physical strength in Premier League more than any other leagues. We are lacking that now and I think it’s obvious. Our keeper Kepa and Willy aren’t amongst tall goalkeepers. Azpi and Tomori are short for centrebacks, 178 cm and 185 cm respectively. Christensen is not too tall either, 187 cm but the problem for him is more his toughness. Only Rudiger and Zouma are 190 cm and strong but Zouma’s passing is awkward IMO. Alonso is quite tall 188 cm but his defensive quality is lacking. Our midfielders: all small, including Mount and Barkley. RLC (191 cm) will help in term of physical stature when he will come back. So either we buy a world class centre back (but we already have a lot of CB at the moment), we may want to add more physical strength in the midfield. We may need Ampadu next season.

    Nine & Chelsea.man: I think it’s logical that Kepa will start the FA Cup. But for the league, I cannot see him starting again for us this season unless Willy makes a terrible mistake. While not spectacular, Willy has always done the job when called upon since joining Chelsea. Look at his positioning, I think it’s his strong points. Kepa was good last season, I disagree. He’s not bad but he’s not a world beater like Cech or Courtois (who becomes immense for Real). I rate Kepa as our worst goalkeeper since long time. De Goey, Cudicini, Cech, Courtois, all are better keeper than him. As Chris451 pointed out, I think too that we need a tall GK to compete in the Premier League. That’s why I think Onana may be our best choice.

    #1831335
    Notnice
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    Quite right guys we are too short and weak in defence, it’s ok having those kind of players in other areas but we need a taller centre half and keeper, I was never really in favor of buying Kepa purely cause at that time I thought it was far too expensive besides his other short comings. I noticed also we are extremely venerable to crosses whether it’s a set piece or not, hope that problem is urgently solved though don’t now how at the moment.

    #1831348

    nine nine nine
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    Chris, good post no one bar perhaps Kante and Hazard from last season would have got into those early Abramovich teams. We’ve got to get better at buying look at Liverpool Alisson, Robertson, Van Dijk, Gomez, Mane, Firmino and Salah all great buys and the nucleus of their current CL and PL winning side.

    #1831349

    nine nine nine
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    I don’t think you can say Kepa won’t start again for us this season Aindro if he comes in against Liverpool for instance and has a great game he could well start the next game.

    The Club won’t want to throw away most of the £70m spent on him which is what will happen if he doesn’t get back to being Number 1 at Chelsea so in an ideal world Kepa finds some form gets back into the Chelsea team but perhaps moves on in the Summer for a half decent fee?

    I think you’re right though we do need a taller Keeper with more of a physical presence and Onana fits that bill but so does Pope, Ramsdale and Oblak and a number of others. Time will tell we also need a dominant Centre Back good in the air who can deal with crosses like Maguire did yesterday and is half decent on the ball too.

    #1831424

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    999, yes agree! Kante is a good Makalele replacement and Hazard would have been a good replacement for let’s say Joe Cole. Maybe Mason Mount could have the makings of a young Frank, but he needs to start converting his chances more, Pulisic for Robbin and Hudson-Odoi as a young version of Damien Duff, Maybe Loftus Cheek for Ballack, but that’s it isn’t it? Jorginho, Kovacic, Willian, Pedro, Giroud and Alonso are useful and different in their on sort of way, and all are well suited to a coach who wants to play a different style to the style we played back in 2004/5 era. Maybe I have missed one or two, but when you look beyond that the others just don’t cut it do they. Abraham has the makings of being a decent, but he is not the answer on his own. Like most of the best teams, we need a world class striker, which is easier said than done.

    #1831471

    nine nine nine
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    Chris, after Drogba we had Costa since then we’ve struggled when signing strikers despite often spending big money on the likes of Torres and Morata.

    There’s no easy route back to where we were imo it’s about bringing the best of our young players through developing them and moulding them together with some good signings.

    Frank’s doing the former but has been prevented from doing the latter and imo he shouldn’t be judged until he’s been allowed to sign some quality players and allowed to mould them together with the exciting young prospects we have.

    Of course Frank lacks experience but we all knew that from Roman down when we appointed him allegedly Roman promised Frank time prior to his appointment and I hope he’s true to his word.

    There’s too much expectation at Chelsea driven by our previous success imo but given all the circumstances at the start of the season the loss of Hazard, no ability to buy and a rookie PL Manager with the media seemingly now keen to load pressure on Frank as are some of our own fans even on here how many of us would really have predicted we would be in the top 4 in March given all the circumstances very few imo.

    We might well not make the top 4 we might not even make the EL but we are going in the right direction imo but Frank’s needs time and a decent Summer window to try and get us back close to where we were.

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    Chelsea.man
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    In my opinion, we don’t seem to play to the strengths of the current set of strikers we have. for example, when we have Giroud on the pitch, we don’t put crosses into the box for him to feed off, and when we have Michy on the pitch we seem to put crosses into the box and that is the weaker side of Michy, his strengths lie running behind the defences, whereas Giroud’s strengths lie in the air in winning headers as well as exploiting and relishing the physical battle with the defenders. with that in mind, we tend to struggle as we don’t seem to play to the strengths of the strikers we have on the pitch. i hope Frank and his coaching team realise this and work out.

    #1831503

    nine nine nine
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    Chelseaman, realistically neither Michy or Giroud are good enough no matter how we set up.

    #1831505
    aindro
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    Chris451: while 2004/2005 was a great memory, I don’t think we can compare this current team to them. They were an expensive side assembled together by Mou. Drogba reached UEFA Cup final with Marseille. Ricci Carvalho, Ferreira were Champions League winners with Porto. Essien was a French champion with Lyon if I remembered well. Makélélé, no need to talk further, he had won a lot with Réal. This current side is poor in term of experience, but I hope that this side would reach their heights as they are still 2-4 years from their peak, maturity.

    #1831578
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    Whichever way you may look at it, we would lose the Liverpool game, so it would have been wise to prioritize the Bournemouth game because that game we had 8/10 chance to win, and the Liverpool game we have 2/10 win chance. so we have miscalculated and it looks to have backfired. and the top 4 is more important than these smaller cups. remember we are competing for high profile players and only being in the champions league will give us a better chance. or else we will end up with another Michy and Giroud.

    #1831580
    bort
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    Wise-fan

    Chelsea had at most a 5/10 chance of beating Bournemouth and based on current form about I would say a 3/10.

    You’re kidding yourself if you think Chelsea had that high of a chance.

    The fans seem to think this Chelsea team is better than it actually is. People need to wake up and realise that this Chelsea team is pretty average.

    #1831584
    Chelsea.man
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    Bort

    I don’t think things are as bad as you are making at Chelsea. yes, we are struggling and in a rough patch of form. but what you don’t take into account is the fact that we are missing some crucial players and we have lost Hazard ontop of that. Pulisic, Abraham, Loftus-Cheek, Hodson Odoi, and Kante. and on top of that, we had players who are out of form and with the ones who would have replaced them being those I have mentioned above.

    I think things are not as bad as you are making, had we taken our chances full, we would have won that game comfortably. the issue is poor finishing, and it has been the case since 2016, even when we had won we had been wasting chances. i believe we have more than 8/9 win chance had we taken our chances.

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