Arsenal away 2019-01-19

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    chelsea1967
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    the worst thing about a poor performance and a loss is that it gives ammunition to the doomsdayers around here and we have to keep reading the same old tripe over and over. Read 999s lips. We need a credible striker.

    #1718283

    nine nine nine
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    Martin Keown “has he gouged him a little bit” this is what’s wrong with using pundits with close attachments to the Club’s being televised.

    #1718284
    Chelsea.man
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    It was one of the most disgraceful performance, a copy cat from our first half against Spurs. can somebody explain to me why is our board so stubborn not to listen to Sarri’s pleas for a new striker? everybody who watched that game would tell you that Chelsea would have been a better team had they had Costa or Drogba. Jorginho needs some help, why not play 4/2/3/1 as Stuilse has suggested and put Kante alongside him. that will be helpful to our defenders.

    Anyway, we lost the match regardless of the circumstances under which we have lost. there is no need to go after Sarri. these are the players that he was given to work with. we need to control our emotions and avoid becoming too emotional and post unnecessary things about Sarri or the club. this is football you lose one day and win one day. whether you criticize or not at the end of the day Sarri is our manager.win or lose he has my 100% undivided loyalty. Sarri has requested both a midfielder and a striker, but the club is yet to deliver his request. so you can’t blame him for our lack of a striker or a creative midfield. Jorginho alone can’t do all of that job. he needs someone to compliment him, and so far we don’t have that player. Hazard has been very poor as the rest of the team. and he remains our best player. so the problem is much bigger than individual players as many are leading us to believe. everything that people are crying for now. Sarri has already requested. so he must be doing his job. but our recruitment department is not doing enough to sign the players he has demanded on time.

    #1718290

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    Listening to a number of phone ins and reading a number of posts on different sites and its safe to say that going by the reaction of Chelsea fans the tide is turning against Sarri.
    Now he has publicly spoken against the motivation and mental ability of the players it seems he is going down the AVB route! And we know how that ended.
    I too believe we need a striker but as NIBlue says if we dont improve our creativity and speed of play then no forward has a chance of being successful.
    Hopefully the players respond against Spurs but if we lose then this is just going to spiral out of control. The club are to blame for all of this with continual poor recruitment decisions – why let Cesc go without a replacement in place? But the way we play is down to the stubborn one and i just cant see him changing. I have also questioned why we are not playing 4 2 3 1 as surely this gives a platform to attack albeit i still dont see Jorginho being able to ping the ball around like Cesc could. But at least we would have the best defensive player in Europe in his proper position. Ruined the weekend!!

    #1718293
    aindro
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    I did not watch the match. I had it recorded but I think I will delete it right away. We were having 6 points of cushion and now we are only 3 points away from Arsenal and Man Utd. I can only hope Mitrovic will be on fire tomorrow and sink Kane-less Spurs. But very low possibility to happen.

    I have to agree that even though our main problem is striker, I don’t think Higuain can do a lot if he does not get support from midfielders. And our creativity except Hazard is really worrying. We play with 3 central midfielders with no creativity whatsoever: Kante, Jorginho and Kovacic. We are still in contention for top 4, but unless we get a good result in the next matches: we’ll end up like last season. Finishing 5th or even 6th. And we’ll start next season without Hazard. I just hope Sarri will adapt a bit as his system has clearly been found out.

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    NIBlue
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    Sorry Chelsea man do not agree, we can call out Sarri.

    He has had an almighty dig at the players tonight deflecting the blame away from his failings.

    This is not the first defeat where he has blamed the players, but it is the most daming.

    We all have observed and commented on how inconsistent Willian has played …. Yet he still gets selected.

    He is playing his two best players out of position to the extent that they are virtually ineffective, whose fault is that …. who selects the team?

    He has two fit strikers who every press conference are hearing that Chelsea have a problem up front, and who is making these comments …. it’s not the strikers!!

    BUT what changes have we seen from him …. NONE

    To me Sarri is a total control freak …. his way or the highway and that feeling was cemented even further when the camera went to the bench.

    I don’t know how many of you noticed but Zola sat on the bench the whole match with a shit scared look on his face …. his eyes wide open all the time and sideways glancing at Sarri, looking intimidated and never engaging.

    Also it was commented on in the second half that none of our bench was out warming up at half time …. complete madness!!

    From the kick off a lot of the players look disinterested, and I personally reckon he has lost the dressing room or at least pockets of it.

    He has called the team out on more than one occasion about their mentality… a team/squad which contains players who in the last 4 seasons have one two League titles and an FA Cup, and they are being called out by a man who has won nothing in his managerial career!!!

    Cut our losses and get shot !!

    #1718298
    AshCFC
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    It’s always a big concern when a manager calls his team out publicly. For me it’s something you just don’t do.

    Hazard seems frustrated and less motivated each game. The lack of belief throughout the team is tangible.

    I’m not interested in calling out individual players as I think the manager has to assume primary responsibility for what we are seeing atm, which is painful to watch imho.

    I don’t want to see Sarri sacked at this early moment in his Chelsea career as I do like what he did at Napoli. However, he won’t last long if he turns on the players.

    #1718302
    chelsea1967
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    These comments by Sarri are mind boggling.

    “I’m really angry about the approach that we adopted today,” Sarri told BBC Sport.

    “You can find yourself in difficulties from time to time, but we need to react to those difficulties a lot better than we did today.

    “It’s an approach we can’t really accept. It was the same in our game against Tottenham.

    “We thought we’d overcome that problem, but it seems we really struggle to get ourselves up for these games at times. I don’t mind losing but I don’t like losing in this manner.

    “It seems we really struggle to get ourselves up for these games.”

    In over 50 year of supporting this club I have never known its players not being able to be up for the big local derbies. The likes of John Terry, Frank Lampard, Ashley Cole, Dennis Wise, Joe Cole etc etc would be horrified as they bled for the shirt in these matches. Therein lies part of this current side’s problem. Former players would not accept defeat and lifted for the occasion, not this current crop in the main.

    The English component of this squad really don’t have the right mentality for the big London derbies and, in any case, are just squad players and that is a big part of the problem apart from the obvious striker issues.

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    Chelsea.man
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    I have been reading since the closure of the August transfer window, that Sarri has been looking for a midfielder and a striker. yet many here are crying for a creative midfielder. it’s easy to be sitting here and to be coaching the teams from the keyboard. he knows more than we know. let me also remind you that Sarri can advise the board about the players they should buy. but like other coaches before him, he doesn’t have the executive power to buy the players likes. so many here are parking the wrong tree. if the quality he has is what was on display at Arsenal. whilst its worrying to us, its what he was given to work with. many here were critical of Conte when I told them that the problem is much bigger than Conte, I was criticized for being delusional. first forward and 6 months later we are going after another manager this time. isn’t that a madness?

    Personally, I would support whoever is in charge at Chelsea as long as they are there. it’s a policy that I maintained throughout. I have never spoken ill of any Chelsea manager. I even supported Rafa Benitez when 90% of my fellow blues understandably never wanted him. the club has not learned a lesson yet. we need a Technical Director as soon as possible to oversee the transfers. I would prefer Ballack or Drogba. therefore I prefer not to wash our dirt in public.

    If we blamed Conte when he was in charge, let us give time to his replacement. missing the CL for the second season is a row is a catastrophe but will not be the end of the world if that means the manager settles and we integrate a few young players and we build a team that can play the football that Sarri wants. the man is only in charge for 6 months. give him more time to work on our problems. personally, I’m prepared mentally for both outcomes, CL or EL.

    #1718307

    nine nine nine
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    An excellent post Chelseaman and I echo Ash’s comments above too.

    I’m not sure of the wisdom in calling the players out publicly but as 1967 suggests above he wasn’t wrong in his assesment was he Arsenal were far more motivated than us and he’s obviously looking to get a reaction v Spurs.

    Some of the expectations for this team are too high all of City, Liverpool and Spurs are much better than us with Managers who have been there significantly longer than Sarri and it will take time to catch up certainly more than 6 months and half a transfer window with only one outfield player bought and a short pre season too.

    We’ve not had a striker since Costa despite his problems and our best player seemingly wants to leave and has been playing out of position through necessity and we need to change that and Jorginho is going through a loss of form and a crisis of confidence.

    The answer is not to attack the Manager and call for his head within 6 months he needs time and support in the transfer market to implement the football he wants to play.

    And these long on going acidic campaigns against certain individual players are sad to see when whatever goes wrong is always their fault despite yesterday being a complete inept performance by the whole team.

    I’m afraid there will be more pain to come before Sarri gets this right because we are going through a significant sea change at Chelsea on all fronts from the owner down and what we should all be doing now is supporting the Club not trying to tear it to piecies that’s the requirement for any football fan of any Club to support the Club through the good and the bad!

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    NIBlue
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    Well guys sorry but I see things very differently from a lot of you on here.

    Yes it is easy to be a keyboard coach, but it is made a lot easier when a coach is as stubborn as this clown.

    Consistently picking players who are under performing, playing world class players out of position and then after watching two players Morata and CHO who seemed to Gel does not try them again.

    As for other teams having had managers in place for a longer time ….. seriously …… Mourinho, Ancelotti and Conte is the only way I can respond to that defence of Sarri.

    I also have to ask what he actually did achieve at Napoli …. 2 runners up and a third ….. big tickle. Napoli had been finishing consistently in the top 5 of Serie A pre Sarri and even Rafa, who Sarri replaced, won them a couple of trophies.

    What was coming out of Italy was compliments on his style of play and thats it!!!

    To me it is always a concern when your peers compliment your style of play …… when you are still in the job …. I prefer it when your peers are ripping the crap out of you because then you know they see you as a genuine threat.

    I will always support the team, I will not always support the Managers/Coaches same way as I will not support the board when I see the folk in these roles doing the job badly!!

    #1718357
    Blaze
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    its all very noble showing support for the manager and team but I dont want the first team and with it the club to die or fall from the top. Im afraid with a manager like Sarri and without going into all the reasons we all understand thats the way it is going, feel for Zola who looks very frustrated figure knowing he does not agree with Sarri’s selections or methods but at the the same time cannot do or say anything about it. Well thats it then its goodbye CL, goodbye Hazard, goodbye Odoi and added to that an allmighty difficult task to bring in notable quality players.

    #1718373
    AshCFC
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    ‘its all very noble showing support for the manager and team but I dont want the first team and with it the club to die or fall from the top.’

    My current position on Sarri (ie to give him more time) is not borne from nobility, but rather the opinion that a kneejerk reaction now would be more harmful to our club.

    I am extremely concerned with some of the manager’s decisions, notably his persistence with playing Hazard up top and, most worryingly of all, his decision to publicly focus blame for our performances on the players’ attitude.

    However, would it be better to panic, sack Sarri, and put yet another caretaker in charge at this moment? Not for me.

    Things change very quickly in football. With Higuaín’s arrival imminent, and possibly other signings before this window closes, who knows where we’ll be in a few weeks time.

    Keep calm lads, and carry on.

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    Redyteddy
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    CM the majority of fans did support Benitez its always only a few that bring the club into disrepute or do not back the the management team or players. As for Sarri I dont think Roman will keep a manager that fails to make the top 4 and with a resurgent United and Arsenal it looks bleak for us. We have to play all the top teams away and are unlikely to get much if anything from those games plus the odd points we will drop against the so called mediocre teams. I also accept playing in the Europa again but the top players like Roman will not. Going forward maybe it would be a good time to put Zola in charge he has enough experience now, him and Lampard together I think would make an excellent team for the future.

    #1718393
    Redyteddy
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    I would say if Derby fail to make promotion and I dont think they will bring Lampard into the fold and in a prominent position. He has what it takes.

    #1718410

    Gibblue
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    Ash i hope you are right re additional signings but tbh after our track record over the last 2-3 years i am just not sure there will be more than Higuain. I hope i am wrong.
    I think we all want the manager to be successful but some of us are worried that we will sleep walk into not making top 4 which we all thought was the absolute requirement this year. We all remember the club taking action with the likes of AVB and Scolari in order to achieve a top 4 position. I think we all believe aswell that we have the players to finish in the top 4 as long as they are played in their correct positions and that we play in a way that suits the players and the league they play in.
    If its true as Sarri is suggesting that players are diffucult to motivate then that indicates to me that they dont necessarily believe in what they are being asked to do. It seems to me that Giroud is a popular bloke (even the gooners cheered him yesterday!!) So i can imagine that the players resent that he is not playing and also Kante not playing where he should aswell as Hazard having to play upfront. I can also imagine our players not enjoying the training regime as Sarri tries to fit square pegs into round holes. It can change quickly if the manager is flexible as in order to be successful in any people business you need them on board and motivated -just like Solksjaer is doing at Utd. I hope Sarri turns it around by having some humility and tactical flexibility – possession in the PL doesnt mean you are going to win the match. I just wish he would play Kante and Jorginho together and then any combination of attacking players that can be changed after an hour to keep it fresh and keep on attacking with pace. Unfortunately i dont think this will happen and if the results do not improve then more on here and the wider Chelsea family are going to want changes to try and ensure we get back to the CL.

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    Blueowner
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    Definitely Giroud should have started thought that was a given it would also allow Hazard to play in his rightfull position with Pedro, Willian and CHO to fight it out for the other attacking position, would try out Luiz in Jorginho’s place, his been successful there before, his defending isn’t that great so he want be missed much at the back but he has the ability to play decent long and short balls. Kante can stay where he is as his marauding does help generally. Alonso had to be dropped long ago he was in the team for his ability to grab goals and forward play but his defending stinks. Kovacic is not good enough to be a regular and Barkleys form has gone downhill. Why Sarri hasn’t implemented any changes is puzzling and not a good sign at all. It gives the impression he has no idea what his doing.

    #1718451

    nine nine nine
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    Ash@12:29pm. probably the perfect summary mate.

    #1718455
    bort
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    This could be the beginning of the end for Sarri, hanging your players out to dry never bodes well in modern day football.

    It was very similar to the Tottenham game yesterday as the players didn’t realise they were in a London derby until 20 minutes into the game and although the entire team looked slow I hope Sarri is including Jorginho into his criticism. Jorginho was worst player against Spurs and now Arsenal. He is slow, ponderous, lacks any kind of aggression or battling qualities and he is so nonchalant and his range of passing doesn’t extend more than 12 yards.

    Also Sarri Suffers from being predictable and I cannot understand why these systems these managers have nowadays are so all in committed to them even when its not working. To win a war you have to find the weakness in your enemy, adapt what you have and set up to exploit that weakness. So many managers now just stick with their system when it’s clearly having no affect.

    Here is part of what is wrong with Sarri’s football and system:

    Most passes:
    https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/total_pass?se=210

    Go to the above link we have 5 of the top 10 players with the most passes and its our back 4 + Jorgihno

    Jorginho = 2077
    Rudiger = 1873
    Luiz = 1749
    Azpilicueta = 1613
    Alonso = 1449

    Thats total of 8761 passes at/from the back THE BACK. Chelsea have played 16,018 total passes.

    Now the next stat and this one is incredible:
    https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/total_through_ball?se=210

    Go to the link above and you will see David Luiz is in 1st place for “through balls” played. If you notice he is over double from the second place player. That is mind blowing that a defender is trying to be our most creative outlet and it only highlights how serious our creative issues are all over the rest of the pitch and where the ball is spending most of its time.

    #1718456
    MightyM
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    Sarri is an idiot even AVB and Scolari were more capable managers, he needs to go now before its too late if its not already, yes his good at chain smoking, not shaving, dressing poorly and blaming his players when its his job to motivate his players. How can you select the same players, the same formation, the same tactics for every game and on top of that when you not winning them. Im sure and without any jokes most people of this forum could even do better. Another big payout looming for Chelsea they haven’t even settled Contes payout.

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