Arsenal v Burnley

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  • #2045199

    stev2bath1
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    Well, an opportunity missed but at least Chelsea did us a favour we are still in the mix for Europe and if we are lucky top 4. We clearly need a break and are getting one so with a good wind we will have a full squad after the break and go again. I don’t think we can do anything about the striker situation before summer and I don’t want a panic buy so I just hope we keep a full squad till the end of the season then we will have a chance.

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    AndyC
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    20 posts in a single thread with only 2 sensible posts from 1 person.

    #2045440

    muffler_1
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    So Andy does that mean Arteta is a good coach with tactical nous and that we dont have a striker problem?

    #2045478
    AndyC
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    Yes Arteta is a good coach/manager with clear tactical nous.

    Strikers are an issue, they are for most clubs at moment.

    The issues are far more complex than most of you clearly believe they are. its not as simple in the real world as it is on football manager or fifa

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    The Oracle
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    😂 😂 😂 😂 Now that really is a stupid post. Everything is rosy in the garden, the manager is doing a great job, loaning players out when we are short is a great idea, not having any strikers or central midfield players is beneficial, using a ridiculous line up and tactical formation that hasn’t produced a goal all year is a good idea. FFS that’s up there with one of the FF’s posts. I wouldn’t bother Muffler

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    The Oracle
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    Yup he is up there with the FF

    Quote – ‘Yes Arteta is a good coach/manager with clear tactical nous’

    Wait until Jeff sees that, me I can’t be bothered with that level of ignorance

    #2045484

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    If he is then tell me what coach with such a skillset tries to play a crossing game against Burnley with strikers that has not scored that many with their heads. Also whats Burnleys strenght? If you dont know Ramsdale said it perfectly. Im not talking about players available here purely the gameplan. Did the players decide that? I doubt it given Arteta is micromanaging the players.

    Also look at all games he has managed against Burnley and tell me it has looked differently in any off them. Sure Xhaka managed to get sent off twice but Xhaka is his go to guy.

    For setting that gameplan against Burnley on multiple occassions without that much success and not learning from it is taken exactly from Xhakas book.

    Thats my main problem. Yes we have players out and some not good enough but you need to play on your strenghts and exploit the opponents weaknesses not do the exact opposite as we did in this game.

    #2045536
    AndyC
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    Muffler. That’s just your opinion and not fact. I’m guessing you havent watched the game yet with that sort of insight. We passed ball in box, crossed, shot we tried it all. On another day we bury burnley with what we did create. Unfortunately we didn’t. This does not happen or are we one of those arrogant fans who think we should win no matter what?

    Oh oracle, you are making stuff up that I havent said and trying your hardest to manipulate what has been said into something it isn’t. Standard from you, lie lie lie manipulate manipulate make stuff up and believe it as fact. Stick to another sport you don’t understand this one not even to a Sunday league level.

    The players gone most wanted rid of and were not good enough now they gone you cry about it.
    oh that’s right your worlds of wisdom ask for white and chambers to play midfield. Yet chambers hasnt been good enough for ages by your posts of past. You’ve moaned about him playing now moaning about him not playing. Then There is your ‘play the hale end boys’ big up Eddie after a hat trick against league one opponent. He is not good enough, AMN was not good enough it was willock last season again the player was not good enough. You clamoured for Patino to start more where again he isn’t good enough (yet) your ideas so far would have killed us.

    Hasn’t scored a goal all year! I shouldnt have to tell you how ridiculous that statement is. But here we are. 4 games in this year, injury ravaged games. But let’s not look at any reasoning or circumstances.

    Youre a clueless fool.

    You can think all you like about arteta tactical nous but I’ll leave you with a comment from a current player who is loved by all on what he thinks.

    The manager’s tactics are amazing, too,”
    “It’s the little details.
    “He’ll tell us how certain moments will go down, how the opposition will react to certain movements we make, and it’ll happen, exactly as he said it.
    “When you see little things like that work, it makes you realise how experienced he is, and how much of a top manager he really is.”
    That’s ESR saying that. But please do tell us how you know better that not only a premiership player but also one that trains with and is managed by arteta.

    Like I said you are a fool who doesn’t understand this sport.

    You can’t handle opposing views or facts. Your subjective view seems to be your fact in your little head.

    Go Insult me all you like but we all know that your just a coward with a keyboard all power to you little man.

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    Well Andy- what a load of complete cock. The issues are “far more complex” – explain. Arteta has ” clear tactical nous!” That must go down in the history of Team Talk as one of the most ridiculous statements ever made.You might recall in a game against Mourinho’s Spuds in 2020 away when we had loads of possession, kept pumping high balls to an imaginary Giroud and lost to two breakaway goals. We didn’t have anyone who could head the ball then- has anything changed nearly two years later? Perhaps you can enlighten us as on that day Arteta claimed we had “lots of possession” and didn’t deserve to lose! For all Burnley’s time wasting, do you not think we contributed by playing the ball back and keeping it in our own area countless times? What tactics does the maestro Arteta employ to win games? Enlighten us as all we can see is a painful slow build up so the opposition get back and then we are completely unable to find a way through. Does Arteta ever have another plan up his sleeve? Have you ever seen him use good in game management to change the course of a game? Once, when we had to go down to 10 men against Liverpool a couple of weeks ago. No,this fraud of a manager has no clue. He micromanages his team to such a degree that all look lost as he shouts at every person what to do when they receive the ball. The one time this team didn’t look scared to do anything remotely ambitious was when he was missing from the touchline against City, we moved the ball forward and players seemed to have have had a weight lifted from their shoulders. Since then, it’s the same pedestrian, safety-first nonsense. You have submitted two posts on here which are pure arrogance as it suggests anyone who doesn’t take your peculiar view has no merit. In the past, you’ve said that unless “you’ve played the game and/ or coached” posters have no clue.” Utter crap. Go and say that about any of the great journalists such as the late Hugh Mcllvanney who never played the game. By the way, I did play football until the age of 30 at a reasonably decent, but not fantastic level and coached my younger’s son’s team until he stopped at the age of 15. Does that qualify me to comment oh mighty one?!

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    Andy If it was just one game against Burnley it has looked like this where the majority went out wide and cross it then sure but no its not. Its a fact that we have struggeld against Burnley in every single game that Arteta has managed against them.

    Burnley has kept 1 clean sheet away this season now 2. They are bottom of the league and we should not be expected to beat them?
    If it does not happen its a one off?

    1 win 3 draws and 1 loss is Artetas record here and its a one off?

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    The Oracle
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    Oh dear

    So I made up – ‘Yes Arteta is a good coach/manager with clear tactical nous’

    It’s a direct quote, it’s displayed for all to see so you can deny it if you like but it’s there for all to see. So you don’t think playing Chambers and White in midfield because the only alternative is Lokonga would have made us more solid? AMN plays one game in the centre of midfield this season, yes just one game, we win and he is voted MOTM but you don’t think he deserves another chance. Let’s just play with Lokonga. You don’t think Arteta’s ludicrous 4-1-4-1 which hasn’t produced a goal doesn’t work. Name me the game it did, and then you include a quote from a current player who is picked in every game and use that as evidence.

    You’re utterly clueless, up on a par with FF. Funny no one else agrees with your brain dead drivel. Have a think why that is clown

    #2045568
    the specialone
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    Lmao.This forum never ceases to amaze me.

    Andy – Don’t bother.This forum has never been able to distinguish between a fact and an opinion,and that has always been the biggest issue I feel on here that takes this forum into a different spectrum because of certain people not respecting other’s opinions.Oh wait,for starters they have to realise the meaning of an opinion and a fact.
    Anyways,The simple fact is they are behind their keyboards and Arteta is the manager of AFC.If they think they know more than the manager,they could always interview for the job.But We all know that is never going to happen 😅

    I don’t know how someone call someone who has taken the second most points in a calendar year in the best league in the world tactically inept.There’s no basis for that.
    I personally do beleive that Arteta has cocked up big time this season,and there are certain things he’s done beyond my understanding but I’ve never clamied to know more than him.
    I still don’t understand why he isn’t switching to a back 3/5,A formation that has won him two trophies here.He is obsessed with this play from the back philosiphy even though it has been proven time and again that it won’t work,not with this current group of players.
    It’s pretty clear he cocked up in the transfer market,didn’t use the funds in the most wise manner and is now paying the price for it.

    Anyways,I don’t know why you’re wasting your time with someone who stood you up and never showed when he was making plans to meet you at a time and place.Says a lot about his/her/that’s character.I haven’t read the keyboard warrior’s posts in more than a year now…

    #2045574

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    The selfentiteld expert is at again i see.

    Please enlighten us all on Artetas results against the mighty Burnley. Im sure there are correct facts on it in here somewhere or is it just someones opinion and the fact is that we won against them yesterday.

    #2045580
    the specialone
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    Well Muffler,Let me make it easier for you.

    Fact – Arteta has taken the second most points in the PL in a calendar year only after Pep guardiola.But moreso than greats like Klopp and Tuchel who have much much better squads.
    How you can call that manager tactically inept,only people with an agenda can answer that.

    Opinion – Muffler – Arteta is not a good manager/Tactically inept because he couldn’t beat burnley at Home.Now I might not have quoted you but that’s exactly what you’re insinuating isn’t it?
    Well fact – We had 20 shots at goal and created 16 chances.Twice as more as Burnley in each department.It is the most shots we’ve had at goal since a long time and gone without scoring.

    What does that indicate – It’s that we clearly and utterly lack another striker who is more efficient amongst many other things.
    Hope you Understand now…

    #2045587

    T_Adams
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    City are one of the best teams in the world and we gave more than a good account of ourselves. We took the game to them. It seemed like the shackles had been taken off. Coincidently it happened when Arteta wasn’t on the touchline. TSO, you say our team isn’t good enough but we have the ability to rip teams apart. We need someone who can finish, that’s for sure. Regardless, we should be beating Burnley at home if we have any ambition. They have a very well drilled side but most other teams are beating them so why not us? We put a very decent side out against them. I just don’t understand why we move the ball so slowly with sideways and backward passes when we have the personnel to really hurt teams. Even if they’re going to sit back, moving the ball quickly and good movements of the ball would have made it very hard for them.

    #2045601

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    Calender year is the excuse of all mothers and not a complete picture because you dont play the same teams over that period or even the same squads. If only there was some way to compare teams/managers results over a period of time where they play each other twice home and away with the same squads and where you get a trophy at the end. oh wait there is.

    Fact Arteta has not managed to change the struggelse we have against Burnley for 5 games now. Despite his well known tactical skills and the fact that Burnley plays in the same way. Yet Emery who was not my favourite managed to beat them with ease despite never having his own bought team.

    #2045602

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    As for the striker issue that has been clear since last season at least yet not adressed in the summer. It will not be in January either because the strikers we want are not available unless we over pay again. To buy just to get one will just cause the same issues we have seen before that we have a player that is not working out and that we cant get rid of

    #2045603

    stev2bath1
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    I think it’s gone past the Arteta out every time we drop points. We had 22 shots and missed an open goal. tactically I don’t think you can set your team up to do much more and I personally think that was the best 11 he had available. Obviously some don’t fancy Arteta and don’t ever give him credit even when we win it’s because the other team are shite or are in a bad run of form. That’s fine but we have him for the season we actually have a chance of top four and top 6/7 which was the realistic target at the beginning of the season. We are well placed in the league, so find it hard to say he is doing a poor job. If we don’t get there at the end and finish outside Europe again then that’s another matter but to date this is where I hoped we would be and we do have a chance.

    #2045615

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    I agree with you on certain points but Im talking about Arteta and Burnley in particular. You would If you believe some on here that he is master tactical god that he would able to change the way a game plays out after 5 tries. Against a team that does not alter their game plan against us. You would think he would try something else.

    Out of all the chances we created though how many of them 22 was good ones 1 or 2. So yes shooting 22 times might look good but only 4 hit the target. Is it a quality issue up front sure it is but goalscoring has been an issue during Artetas tenure yet never adressed. So we have now a false 9 in Laca who is leaving, Nketia who cant hit a barndoor from 1 yard also leaving and Auba who is now another Ozil and probably wont play for us again.

    Positionwise we can make top4 but will we I did not think that when the season started and I dont think it now. How many seasons have we thought that we could take the league or top4 only to fade away like we normally do in Feb or March. It has been like this under Wengers last 10 years under Emery and under Arteta. You are free to still believe. The level of football we produce now however does not warrant it. Its actually funny the only game we have seen any form of free flowing gameplay recently was when Arteta was not there. Yes we lost but the players did not look like they were playing with any shackels on

    #2045636
    the specialone
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    T_adams – I think a lot of people have gotten carried away with that game against City.Honestly,I don’t even think we were that good.Yes,there was about a 25-30 min period of the game where we were the better side but apart form that they were better.They had twice as many shots as us and created thrice as many chances.Yes,ofcourse we went down a man but that was later on.Either ways,I think a lot of people have judged the game wrongly and we really weren’t as good as people say.
    Yes,I agree with you.Sideways and backwards passes is frustrating to watch at times.I have no problem with the philosiphy,it clearly works for City and has won them so many titles.The major difference is they have the players to implement it and their players are more forward thinking.We don’t have the players yet,we don’t even have a half decent midfield.And that is why i question why Arteta has not switched to a formation back3/5 that will not only suit many players like tomiyasu and white.

    As for your questions on why we didn’t beat burnley.Well I did point out we had 20 attempts at goal and created 16 chances.In a game where we played without a natural right back and central midfielder.
    if we didn’t win the game,it’s because these players failed to take their chances.
    How you can put that draw down to Arteta I will never understand.
    Yes,if we had a poor game I’d totally agree but we didn’t and that draw was certainly down to us lacking quality in various departments and nothing to do with the tactical nous of Arteta.

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