Arsenal v Burnley

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    the specialone
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    Muffler – Oh so now you’re writing off a calendar year as not being enough to judge and that it dosen’t tell the full story.Laughable to say the least.I guess they should scrap all Ballon’d’or awards and other such awards as well that are given on a yearls basis then is it?
    Does it tell the whole story?I never said it did.But it’s a considerable amount of time to judge a manager and if he has achieved what I stated that means it clearly indicates his potential and tacical ability as a manager.
    But ofcourse,Go ahead and write it off.Like I said a man with an Agenda.

    If it’s anything that “FACT” indicates it’s that Arteta is clearly a good coach but he’s never had the team to make him achieve the targets he aims for.That is partly down to his poor decisions in the trasnfer window which I have repeated time and again and his inability to accumulate a good enough squad.

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    TSO – no Man City did not have twice of thrice as many chances, I know because I counted. Rodri goal was their second shot ON TARGET and just had a look at the stat and it’s two shots on target as I stated.

    Their first one being the equaliser.

    Speculative shots that does not hit the target is not a sign of domination… in fact, a sign that they’re frustrated resorting to shots from just about anywhere.

    Anyway, I don’t really care whether we played better or dominated or outplayed them, fact is we got zero points from them

    #2045647

    the bsm walk
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    By the way, you cannot keep saying most points in calendar year, you are cherry picking stats. You keep having a go at the defence claiming that it’s only against lesser teams, by that admission you can say calendar points were picked up against lesser teams? You can’t have it both ways…

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    The Oracle
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    Muffler, I see the Forum Fool has been peddling that nonsense about the calendar year again. Perhaps you’d like to ask him which calendar year it was that we accrued the 2nd most points behind City. Arteta has only been at Arsenal 2 full season, 2020 where we finished 8th over the calendar year and last year where we finished 4th highest 34 points behind City so his amazing fact is just more BULLSHIT

    #2045691

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    Tso its an amount of time yes but it is a cherry picked stat. Teams are not playing the same opponents or squads during this time frame. For example you could potentially only play the top 6 sides once during a calender year while some play them twice. A season is more an accurate reflection to judge upon. Because all teams meet each other twice with almost the same squads.

    I know why you use it and thats because for Arteta it looks better to be on top in a calendar year than finishing 8th in a season.

    Stats can tell you anything depending on the selection criteria. For example Arteta would look great in November but not so great in January. A season tells a more correct picture towards all teams and is at the end of the day what matters.

    As for Ballon’dor its not a fair judgement either it should be seasons there as well but thats FIFA for you. Then again only Messi or Ronaldo seems to win it even what Lewandowski or anyone else does.

    Im not saying Arteta has done a bad job given his experience and squad. But some aspects of our play is down to him and some to the quality. As for the City game the shackels did look off compared to other games and that is my opinion.

    As for Artetas assembling the team and what we have bought I agree but at the state this team was in with a lot of players no body wanted its going in the right direction. We have just spent too much money on what have got. We still have issues in the CM and Striker and at least one area should have been adressed in the summer. To have 3 strikers where 2 wants out and 1 Arteta wants out is a bad reflection on Arteta and its to late now for this season

    #2045722

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    Oracle i honestly dont know If its rolling time frame or the normal which is Jan- Dec. Im guessing Jan- Dec because he brought up Ballon’dor. Anyway it does not matter because as stats go a Jan-Dec selection has to many variabels when you compare against other teams. Its not accurate in terms what teams you have played during the year as that can differ a lot between teams. All you can actually see is how many games he has won/lost/drawed. But when you start comparing that against other teams then its loses the value because the parameters between the teams are not the same. I get that you want to look at it when a season is in progress but it still has its flaws with the parameters in the first 5 months compared to the last 5

    #2045744
    the specialone
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    BSM – My source is the official Premier league website.It does say just as I claimed that Man city had 15 attempts to our 7.Now if you’re arguing shots on target,your right they had two.But it merely states that their players were inefficent on the day.As for your claim that they will take shots from anywhere.Well first of all,no team takes shots from just anywhere espescially close to the half way line.
    Secondly,it’s city we’re talking about.Do you think they are the type to take shots from anywhere?Never.Pep would be fuming because that’s not his style.
    Anyways,you yourself said that at the end of the day we lost that match.I think I even heard wenger in a recent interview replying to a fan who said “we played exceptionally against city”.He said “You are never exceptional when you lose”.That was my simple point.

    Muffler – Well,I have just used your logic and given the ballon’d’or as an example and I guess all ballon’d’ors again by your logic only are invalid since those players might not play each team twice.
    Anyways,I don’t think you got my point.I’m not cherry picking stats.
    If I have mentioned that Arteta acheived the second most points in that year,I have never claimed he was the second best manager.All I’ve said that it’s certainly impressive to achieve that and to call such a person tactically inept is a ludicrous statement to say the least.
    I too have many criticisms of Arteta this season and by no means am I claming he’s a saint,just that making certain mistakes dosen’t mean he isn’t a good enough manager.

    #2045751
    The Oracle
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    Well Muffler the calander year is pretty clear, Jan 1st until Dec 31st, there are tables published for it and Arteta has never finished second in it. It’s meaningless anyway, you don’t win anything for it, teams don’t play the same number of games, they don’t play the same teams, you could play Watford 3 times and not play City at all. Absolutely meaningless.

    #2045752
    the specialone
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    I forgot to mention.You said each team might not play others twice.But that is very very rarely the case.Correct me if I’m wrong but dosen’t the second half of the season start give or take in Jan and the first half of the next season ends give or take towards the end of the year.Now I haven’t researced as to whether Arteta played the top 6 twice that year,but it’s very likely he did.

    Now You will ask if he did so good in a calendar year why can’t he do it in a season.
    Well,I did mention that he hasn’t accumulated a good enough squad which has always been his biggest problem.How many times have we had to play players in their un-natural position in the past few years.Too many.
    Added to the fact how many times have we gotten screwed by VAR,Particularly last season.Well this season as well.
    I don’t beleive in conspiracy theories but I could convince anyone game by game how many blatant decisions have gone against us that have cost this team points.

    #2045764
    The Oracle
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    Has he provided the year this FACT took place Muffler or is he still bullshitting

    #2045816
    AndyC
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    Look at the same clowns pretending to talk like they know and then worse yet backing their own points up with fake accounts. Been here before Shifty, it’s nothing new.

    Jeff/oracle/shifty whatever you want to identify as today. You are basing all your opinions on subjective views and not using any facts or taking into account the circumstances. When someone does use facts you go off on another tangent.
    Like I said up to that point there were 2 reasoned and sensible posts from Stev. He was objective in his opinion and left it open. You Jeff/Shifty/Oracle/coward only come from a place of your own view with no fact, no consideration for what’s going on. You then turn this opinion of yours into your truth and fact.

    everyone is entitled to an opinion, no one is entitled to their own facts and this same poster with multiple names quite clearly believes his subjective opinion is the fact. he buys into his shit so much he can’t see the difference. Thought Eddie was the answer, same with Willock. Clearly, they aren’t.AMN is another claiming a MOTM in the game he played centrally. He was average at best. Claimed we would get relegated after 3 games, refused to acknowledge we had players out and that made a difference. No, a scooby do, I know 8yr olds that I coach with more of a clue, more understanding.

    Constant liar, constantly making up aliases, uses his own alias to back his own points up. Not a new thing just a regular thing.

    #2045818

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    Never said that a calender year data is invalid If you only look at Artetas stats for that year. Its when you compare it to others it becomes an issue because the parameters between the compared managers are not the same. If you said he has done well in a calendar year that would be true. But when you try to compare it becomes a bit misleading due to the data behind it.

    In a season the parameters are basiclly the same hence you can compare them.

    Regarding Ballon’dor they should use the seasons instead of a year. Are they invalid no its a jury choice to pick the winner and its clear that stats has very little to do with who they pick. Messi won it 2021 despite Lewandoskis performances. In the last 13 years only Modric has been picked once over Messi and Ronaldo. Is that wrong no but criteria is not only on goals/assists its people voting and then opinion comes in to play. If it was all about stats it would not have been Messi in 2021

    #2045836
    AndyC
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    Muff – this corsses argument is weak. You nor I know if that was his idea. What I saw from being at the game is a team try to pass it in goal, shoot, pass through the lines, cross the ball. We didn’t just try crossing we tried all avenues, we fired blanks. It does happen. We should have won with what we created, players were wasteful.
    When has Arteta ever set us up to cross the ball – answer he hasn’t, so its incredibly unlikely to be the go-to tactic. and like I said I was there, I saw it all live we did try different things.

    Also people seem to think that crosses means we kept whacking them in at head height for them to eat up. that didn’t happen at all. ALOT of the crosses were from the by-line low and short. yet as I maintain in all my opinions I look at circumstances, Why could that have been. I don’t just draw a line in the sand and say that’s that. Which is exactly what you are doing. There is no want to understand, for whatever reason.

    I don’t label Arteta a tactical Genius but for anyone to suggest he has no tactical nous is utterly ridiculous. there is absolutely no reasoning or justification for such an absurd thing to be said. its worse when those pointing those fingers don’t even coach sunday league! that be like be slating Lewis hamilton driving ability based on a few crashes he had.
    Arteta took us from Bottom to 4th. Now you and others on here were all calling for his head. Can you remember what I maintained at that time. Wait until he has his players available’ well you guys were wrong that’s for sure. We did perform much better when all players were fit. we went from bottom to 4th.
    Now, look at the situation. It’s same again albeit we are not losing in same manner. ALOT of players out, we are struggling. how people cant see what the real problem is goes beyond hating Arteta. The real problem is the back up players we have are not good enough. Not the manager, not the tactics as he clearly showing that with his players he do a job.
    Im sure you will argue well why let the players go on loan. well most of you moaned and winged about them being here now they gone you want them to play? they wouldn’t have changed the games, none of them are good enough. they weren’t then and they wont be now.

    So as I said to your original questions. Yes we have a striker problem, so do a lot of teams and yes Arteta clearly has tactical nous.

    #2045838
    The Oracle
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    Muffler, you still need to ask him when the calendar year was Arteta accrued the second most points. It’s bullshit never happened. That fact enough for you Andy Clown. As for AMN I’m not claiming anything about AMN in that match other than he was voted MOTM. You still have they that same problem with your reading. You and FF should form a Comedy Duo. If you want facts try looking at the League Table because there’s little point you trying to analyse a match as you’re fucking clueless.

    #2045868

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    Andy – if you really think I’m Oracle, you’re more stupid than you appear to be from your posts. There was another poster who suggested I was Oracle or Shifty and again that was because I had completely opposite views to his. You really are a complete nutter aren’t you?

    #2045881

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    Still going on about having to be a coach to analyse games are you Andy? What a merchant banker you are. All TT posters, according to that genius Andy you’ve had to play that game and at least coach Sunday League to have a worthwhile opinion – prat.

    #2045899
    The Oracle
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    The one thing you notice about Sunday League is the fact there aren’t usually any tactics at all. Kick & Rush doesn’t require much tactical nous at all

    #2045900
    the specialone
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    Yes Jeff,It is me who had suggested that Shifty and you are the same.Why?As I had explained at the time – You seemed to be the only one backing up his ridiculous posts and going against me when you were niether involved in the conversation nor did I say anything against you.So I thought to myself,what agenda could this person have.
    But yeah,it was just my opinion at the time.See not a fact,an opinion.I atleast know how to distinguish between the two.

    What is a fact is he’s proven to have different aliases on here.He’s very clearly admitted to being shifty and every one including himself will admit it.
    Why the change of username?Oh I forgot he was probably banned.
    I am pretty sure he uses different aliases now as well.How do I know this?Well there are different usernames he posts from just to have a go at me(Like cavey).
    Now how do I not know cavey is not genuine?Because his only contribution in this forum is to have a go at posters and absolutely nothing football related.Which self-respecting fan does that?
    Anyways – Fact – This person/Thing stood up a fellow poster a year ago when he clearly promised he would meet him at a particular time and place.LOL.
    You couldn’t make it up.

    Honestly,I couldn’t acknowledge his presence anymore and honestly I don’t even have any respect for any-one interacting with this person/Robot.

    #2045902
    The Oracle
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    I’m still waiting to find out when this FACT was that Arteta finished 2nd behind Pep for points in a calendar year. Anyone any idea when this FACT took place, anybody.

    #2045920
    AndyC
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    Jeff/Oracle – AHAHAHAHAHA you fucking moron.

    Your insight goes as far as ‘Arteta is clueless’ thats it. starts and ends there. ahahahaha🤡

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