Best signing in ages

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    So our tranfer deals in recent years have been questionable to say the least and although we have always been renowned for having a good scouting network the transfers haven’t come to any fruition. Looks like the best signing in ages could be that of Sven mislintat aka diamond eye. No one can ignore the talent that has come from the dortmund team in recent years and the next few transfer windows will be very interesting. considering his talent I can’t be see Sven staying around for long if wenger is as reluctant to spend on new players but all in all I think this may be the signing we needed to catch the big boys as we can’t outspend or compete with there transfers bugets.

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    Gunjam74
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    I sir agree. A great behind the scenes signing as long as his recommendations are met appropriately. Although some of the players he is accredited with spotting where not entirely diamonds in the rough but some of the fees they paid at the time where not even cubic zurconia prices but they turned a massive profit.

    Next up we need some decent coaches that Wenger is willing to work with.

    #1559856
    the specialone
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    He might be a good signing but in the long run He won’t be as useful because whatever player he scouts/recruits wenger will find a way to turn him from a winner to a loser.And even if it’s not the case and becomes a star,he will want to move to another team to win trophies and when that time comes we won’t turn any profit because this board and management will find a way to mismanage his whole contract like they have done with so many players.

    Really,I’ve lost so much faith in this club that tommorrow even a messi signing wouldn’t excite me.I’m not exaggerating,because deep down I know that we don’t have the mentality and what it takes to win..

    #1559943
    Gunjam74
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    You know I thought I was negative but you take the prize…well one of them…there are only so many trophies a season to be won and while yes we have been nowhere near good enough for the champs league or the EPL we have in recent memory won the FA Cup…while admittedly its not the biggest trophy of the season its still a trophy that you have to compete for…yes we may have had an easy ride some years but I go back to the point regards only 5 trophies a season…(I will leavie it up to others to decide what the 5 trophies are)

    Its not settling for mediocre, its not being a defeatest or a wengerite as some on this forum would have us believe its actually enjoying the positive things that happen as they are few and far between…we have no divine right to be in with title shot or win things but we have in the last few years been able to have a slice of a cake that only a few teams get hold of each year…

    embrace what we have fellas..by all means wish/hope for more but for the love of anything can we get of the negativity train and try to breathe some life back into this forum

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    steveosnakeeye
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    Amen Gunjam

    #1559977
    the specialone
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    Gunjam74 – don’t come speaking your words of wisdom and opposing everything I say for the sake of it.Did I say something wrong?Do Our top stars not leave for other clubs to win the major trophies and are actually successful in doing so?And when the time comes do we not sell them for way less than their actual value due to terrible mismanagements of their contracts?I can go on arguing with you about being optimistic,pessimistic and realistic,but I think I’ll just stick to the subject of the thread..And not to mention I’ve repeated it too many times before.

    #1560010
    Al The Gooner
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    I’m with TSO on this one. If there’s anyone to blame for the negativity on this forum and amongst Goonerhood in general, it’s Mr Wenger. We saw against the Spuds just how well this team can play when they want to and it’s the manager’s job to get those kinds of performance on a consistent basis.

    Something I agree with you on, Gunjam, is that there are only four trophies to win, in any given season. It’s something I’ve argued for years and I don’t think we have any divine right to win the title or CL. My gripe, however, is that us fans have the right to expect Arsenal to perform to their best and far more often than not, they don’t. All I ever want to be able to say, at the end of a season, it’s that we couldn’t have tried any harder and it’s been a long, long time since I’ve been able to say that.

    I would swap winning the FA Cup every single season for seeing the lads put in the kind of title challenge we know they’re capable of, whether we actually win the thing or not. No team (or person) can do better than their best but when Arsenal aren’t doing their best, we have every right to complain and be negative about it.

    The mate who currently has my season ticket is already making noises that he might not want to take it again next season and I’m not sure I’ll be able to find any other takers if he doesn’t. Wasn’t that long ago that people were offering me their children (not literally, obviously, but you know what I mean) just to get hold of it, even for a few games. That’s the Wenger effect. It doesn’t happen at many other clubs because the fans at those other clubs know that if they have a bad season this time round, there’s always hope for next but with us, it’s just the same sh*t, different season.

    First thing Souness said after the Spud game was yeah, great performance but what are the chances they’ll do the same against Burnley and he was spot on – will anyone be massively surprised if we draw there or even lose? Will any Gooner be shocked if we go to OT the following week and get hammered?

    When you’ve seen the same mistakes made, over and over again, season after season, by the same man who refuses to learn from them, I think it’s very reasonable to be negative and it’s not just being negative – 9 times out of 10, it’s being bang on the money.

    As for the appointment of Mislintat, for as long as Wenger is manager, I think TSO is pretty much spot on with his prediction. That said, his effect won’t be felt for two or three seasons anyway, by which time Wenger will hopefully have f**ked off so ultimately, this could – as Momo says – be one of our best signings for a long time.

    Finally, just want to wish Steve Rowley all the best. He’s been a great servant to Arsenal – best of luck for the future, Steve!!!

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    the specialone
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    Al – Well,thanks for once I guess!I mean the fact that you say that,And I actually think your one of the most optimistic characters on here…says a lot.

    Gunjam – Trophies?No,No.You’ve got it all wrong.I couldn’t care much about trophies.Ok let’s not beat around the bush,at the end of the season we all want our team to win trophies.But that is not at all the reason why My love for club is lost somewhere so far.Just the general way in which we handle things.Our board makes a complete mockery of the club off season,and wenger makes it during the season.What happened on the last day of the transfer window was inexcusable.I mean the intention to even think to sell our best player to a rival,and the nerve of our board that our ambition is to challenge for the PL is so illogical.And as for wenger.I completely agree with Al it is because of him and only him that I will never beleive we can win the title under him.He could’ve easily left the club with the highest dignity after winning a record number of FA cups but his ego is bigger than the club and now he’s intent on driving the club to the ground.Trophies?No,I don’t care much about.It’s the general performances,our team spirit,our resilience.I see our players(with the exception of sanchez) as cowards and it is because of the poor mentality wenger has instilled within the club.He’s made the fans aiming so low again.I just hope going into every game,our players don’t show any fear,and don’t give up.Our players have the balls to get in the opponents faces and start fights with theM.Rememeber when knewon and cole jumped on van nistlerooy.My word,one of my favourite ever moments because it speaks volumes of the clubs mentaltiy.But now,I genuinely can’t remember the last time our players were able enough to start a fight or take no shit.I still rememeber when costa got paulista sent off so slyly and our players did fu*k all!!!Oh and how can we forget our result at city just recently?They played at napoli midweek and we still lost.It is unacceptable.What positivity do you want me to look for?How can I,after witnessing the amount of times we’ve bottled it I can’t even count on my fingers.The only positivity I’ll get is when I see wenger and the board members so far away from the club they won’t even get a sniff.rant over!

    #1560212
    steveosnakeeye
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    i would just like to say that the part i was mainly agrereing with on Gunjams post is the genral mood on this page and yes that is all AW’s fault but it would be good to discuss things and threads without constantly rehashing the same tired arguments. we all know the issues and they wont change until AW goes and maybe not that much then due ot the board. Sometimes this can be a crappy place to visit and chat! Especially the cheap point scoring off eachother!
    Are Liverpool the new Arsenal?!

    #1560268
    the specialone
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    Steveo – I agree and am all for discussing the subject at hand but almost anything and everything you discuss will lead back to terrible mismanagement but Wenger and the board.There is almost nothing you can disucss without referring to either of those two or both in some cases.

    If this club really wants fans to start being optimistic,like I said both wenger and the board need to leave otherwise it will be the same old.

    #1560285
    steveosnakeeye
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    unfortunatly TSO you are correct, it is very difficult not to revert to the cause of the issues but it sure would be nice to enjoy the odd perormance or rate players (under the current mismanagement) talk about who we would like to replace the old duffer and things like that rather than just the same post about AW and the board, none of which is changing anytime soon…..the joys of an arsenal fan but we must remember we had it good for a number of years, united are having issues to its cyclicle so hopefully wont be for ever!

    #1560379
    Al The Gooner
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    Steveo, difference between us and Utd is that Maureen won’t get three seasons, let alone thirteen.

    I also don’t think you’re being fair about enjoying performances. There’s always a couple of “Negative Nellies” who won’t enjoy anything – all clubs have them – but the reaction after the Spud game was pretty good.

    And I’m not sure how long you’ve been posting on TT but when I started coming on here around 2006, the vast majority of posters were very positive. Again, I can only say that it’s hard to be positive about much when we’ve seen it all go to shit 100 times before.

    Look, I’m a pretty positive person in general and I would love to have something exciting to talk about regarding our club – suggest something and I’m all in! But you’re going to need to come up with something that Wenger can’t f**k up, the same way he f**ks up everything else – can you?

    #1560423
    the specialone
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    Hey,let’s not forget Wenger’s biggest advantage that you would never get to see at any other club.Is the fact that he’s had 2 decades to build and instill his ideoligies and philosiphies in the team.Do you guys know how long that is?Most managers of top teams wouldn’t get to stay beyond 3 seasons if they produced the results wenger did for that huge gap in between.

    It’s pathetic isn’t it,that it takes a bit of bashing of our own manager to get to unite Arsenal fans.How times have changed..

    #1560424
    steveosnakeeye
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    Al no idea how long ive been posting by read the page for years before my fiurst post, around the time we got Campbell from the spuds.

    Lets be honest Al, this page has very few regular posters and those that do tend to be in the same camp these days but still its just arguments and “i know more about football than you”

    im not saying dont slag the team or AW or anyone im just saying this is NOT a nice place to come and converse with felloew suopporters its doom gloom and silly arguments and point scoring.

    the board and manager are here for the foreseeable so lets not just be so repetitive maybe.

    Yes i can talk of any number of players or a game or a ref decision or a comp and many many many more but all that will happen is, doesnt matter we have AW….as TSO if we got Messi tomorrow we would be underwhlemed as supporters because we have AW!

    Al me old mucker you are preaching to the converted, i feel the same i just get so bored rehashing the same shit every day when nothing will change we have to find away as supporters to branch out and discuss more about our team and lcub…..though as i said it will juts be “why bother” we have the sae board and manager!

    #1560557

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    The fact Wengers been at the club for over twenty years is remarkable but if that was such an advantage why don’t all clubs hold onto their managers? In reality it’s a disadvantage as it can easily go stale hence many managers getting dismissed after a few seasons. Ferguson changed his back room staff regularly and I think these changes are of value. 1 because as I say it freshens things up straight away but also it’s laying ground work for when Wenger goes, as no manager is going to want to take on half of what he does.

    I know I’m in a minority but I believe Wenger is still one of the best managers in the world and when he does go (which I expect to be soon) with the current board in charge, I really worry. One thing I am sure about is when he does go the Wenger years will be remembered fondly. If a manager who stole from the club,took us into a relegation battle and then joins the scum these days gets applauded trust me Wenger will, and deservedly so.

    #1560804
    the specialone
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    fatmop – Wenger is certainly not amongst the best managers in the world.And other top clubs don’t hold onto their managers because they actually want to win trophies namely the PL.I cannot imagine any other top club having the same manager for 10 years without winning them a single trophy.There’s a huge difference in ambition between the board of Arsenal and the board of other top clubs.

    I’m not going to pretend Like I know more than as wenger about football honestly in terms of knowledge,tactics etc but there are three factors where he is nowhere near the best managers.first is mentality.He instills a very poor mentality in the squad,and probably dosen’t demand enough.We’ve been defeated huge margins far too many times and bottled it too many times as well.We are not tough at all.We let teams walk all over us and are too afraid to get in opponents faces.Second is ignorance.This guy has to be the most ignorant manager ever.Every season he ignores basic positions and makes mindboggling decisions.He sold ox without replacing him,e kept mertesacker when we clearly needed a fitter and younger CB with better leadership qualities.He’s playing Maitland niles as a wing back because he let gibbs go!!!Third is Stubborness.The amount of times he’s missed out on top quality players because he wouldn’t want to pay that few extra quid,it’s scandulous all for a manager who’s being paid 8.5m a year.Wenger and the board need to go.

    If there is one thing I agree with you it is that we probably perform worse if wenger goes and the board remains.One because I don’t trust the board to get the right manager in.Two even if they do they’re going to set the bar so low for him he’s going to keep getting away like wenger has every single season.And three simply because we will need to get time adjusting to the new manager’s philoiphies and ideas and getting rid of wengers..

    #1560840
    Gunjam74
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    Well TSO what can I say. I deleted I rather large response to your posts as in hindsight its not worth it. As for your belief that I take the opposing view from you just for the sake of it, that says more for your own psyche than anything I could say to you. Cue your response and how it proves that you where correct or some other claptrap. In truth I for one am saddened that this forum has come to this. I am not looking for everyone to be on the same page or have the same thoughts as that to is boring.

    You continue with your wee band of merry harbingers and I am sure that whether or not any new manager that comes along is succesful or not you will find a way to find negativity in him as well.

    #1560858
    Al The Gooner
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    Fatmop, we can certainly agree that Wenger still being here is remarkable!

    As for GG, he’s applauded for the best title win in English top flight history and for creating the best defensive unit this league has seen in modern times. As for going to the Spuds, I don’t think many Gooners cared as by that point, he was no longer a hero, just as no one cared when Gallas or Bentley went there. He did go up in our estimation again when he almost got them relegated and the fact the Tiny Totts hate him is definitely a point in his favour.

    Same thing will happen with AW. No one will forget his early years and yes, he’ll be remembered fondly for those, not least a record-breaking season that will hopefully never be matched. He’ll also always be remembered for changing the ‘boring, boring Arsenal’ chant from an insult sung by opposition fans, to an ironic one sung by us.

    He won’t be remembered fondly for hanging around long passed his sell-by date, for his stubbornness, his incompetence or for his contempt for the fans who pay his wages. If he goes to the Scum and tries to get them relegated, however, I’m sure he could repair a lot of the damage he’s done.

    #1560912

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    There’s enough hatred of Wenger as it is imagine if we were in a relegation battle, he got sacked for stealing and then went to Tottenham! I tell you people would care. Yes, Graham built a good defence and gave some good memories especially 89 but I never thought much of ‘stroller’ as a player and couldn’t care much for him now.

    #1561136
    the specialone
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    Gunjam – Mind my language,but you can take that “little sense of optimism” and shove it up your arse.You want fans to wet themselves over a result against a team that has been overahcieving for too long now?The real fans enjoyed ourselves for the fact we beat our mighty neighbours,but it dosen’t mean we’ll go singing all through the season about it and forget the real issues at hand.

    The fact that you wrote 2 para’s about me basically dissing my sense of view even though you’d “apparently” like opposing views to keep the debate going says a lot about what you really are.Oh yeah,I hope you enjoyed that loss to bottom of the bundesliga.Fans like you want to give false hope to other fans,but we’re all not naive now are we…

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